Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Mansour Moufid
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Alexandre Guillioud wrote: > I had heard that the original use case were to protect their (US navy) > ships against command center localisation through RF harvesting. The onion > routing of the admiral commands through a few boats means enemmies can't > detect whi

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Mansour Moufid
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: > We came up ourselves with potential application suggestions such as > open source intelligence gathering or "phoning home" as you put it. > We also came up with other ideas (some good, some bad) and also talked > to people about how it might

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Cari Machet
you dont have a wikipedia page so... thanks much... philosophy of logic huh... so that means you would probably comprehend why i would be desirous of exhaustive research regarding `evolution`... as you state below ...and more, if we follow logic, why inaction is unethical of the mindful > > >> O

Re: [tor-talk] badfamilies: searching for undeclared families

2015-08-03 Thread nusenu
>> Looking forward to find actually hiding families > > > first detected exit family that actively tries to _not_ look like > a family (distinct contactinfo, multiple ASes) > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nusenu/tor-network-observations/master/15_exit_group_2015-05-02-15 next: https://gi

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2015-08-03 Thread ED CURTIS
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Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Paul Syverson
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 10:01:41PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote: > i understood you worked there i didnt understand that you worked there > prior to onion routing research Ah OK. Now your question makes sense to me. I started at NRL in 1989. I started working on onion routing in 1995. I've worked on

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Cari Machet
i understood you worked there i didnt understand that you worked there prior to onion routing research thanks for your time in answering my question On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 08/03/2015 10:02 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: > > Hi Cari, > > > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:0

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Mirimir
On 08/03/2015 10:02 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: > Hi Cari, > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:07PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote: >> dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you could get >> funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just the >> general US gov > > I'm

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Paul Syverson
Hi Cari, On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:07PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote: > dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you could get > funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just the > general US gov I'm confused. I work at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. Th

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Cari Machet
dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you could get funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just the general US gov On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 03:58:59PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote: > > > You

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Mirimir
On 08/02/2015 11:05 PM, Juan wrote: > On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300 > Cari Machet wrote: > >> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s >> >> here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use >> tor ... if YOU dont it wont work > > > Bingo. > > If only the criminals f

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Paul Syverson
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 03:58:59PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote: > > You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of > > answers your question would generate. > > I was hoping for responses like those from Dr. Syverson. I was not > interested in debating the ethics

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Cari Machet
dear virgil you are not my representative on planet fucking earth On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Cari Machet wrote: > the very nature of parasitic behavior > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Juan wrote: > >> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300 >> Cari Machet wrote: >> >> > https://youtu.be/qXa

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Cari Machet
the very nature of parasitic behavior On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Juan wrote: > On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300 > Cari Machet wrote: > > > https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s > > > > here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use > > tor ... if YOU dont it wont work > >

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Virgil Griffith
> You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of > answers your question would generate. I was hoping for responses like those from Dr. Syverson. I was not interested in debating the ethics or justification---simply what the original funders were looking for / wish

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Juan
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:41:18 +0800 Virgil Griffith wrote: > I delegate this thread to tor-opent...@lists.torproject.org By the way, you started this thread here and now you want to move it somewhere else? You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of

Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military

2015-08-03 Thread Juan
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:41:18 +0800 Virgil Griffith wrote: > I delegate this thread to tor-opent...@lists.torproject.org what? > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Juan wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300 > > Cari Machet wrote: > > > >> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t

Re: [tor-talk] Circuit Fingerprinting Attacks: Passive Deanonymization of Tor Hidden Services

2015-08-03 Thread Jon Tullett
On 3 August 2015 at 08:52, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 08:50:54AM +0200, Jon Tullett wrote: >> Looks interesting. Has anyone reviewed it? >> >> http://people.csail.mit.edu/devadas/pubs/circuit_finger.pdf >> http://anongalactic.com/new-attack-on-tor-can-deanonymize-hidden-serv