Re: [tor-talk] Hulu now blocks Tor

2014-02-07 Thread andrew
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 12:24:46PM -0800, alb...@openbuddha.com wrote 0.9K bytes in 0 lines about: : Doesn’t streaming HD video through Tor degrade the entire network? I doubt it. HD video is roughly ~1-2 mbps. I do it all the time through youtube. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Mirimir
Make that "why blocking Tor exits is largely pointless". -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Mirimir
On 02/07/2014 01:55 PM, James Marshall wrote: > As others have pointed out, the fact (?) that Tor users are no more likely > to abuse may not matter as much as the *perception* that they are. However > unfairly, the perception of something often carries the day more than the > facts, and should be

Re: [tor-talk] The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo

2014-02-07 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/2014 12:50 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: > Nymspace collision is a real problem, folks! Another agument for PGP signing everything... And now, back on topic for this mailing list. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzan

Re: [tor-talk] The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo

2014-02-07 Thread Griffin Boyce
The Doctor wrote: > tor-admin wrote: > > This message was reported by the Doctor: > > ...I said what? Nymspace collision is a real problem, folks! ~Saint ^H^H^H Griffin -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread James Marshall
As others have pointed out, the fact (?) that Tor users are no more likely to abuse may not matter as much as the *perception* that they are. However unfairly, the perception of something often carries the day more than the facts, and should be addressed when possible. At the risk of sounding sel

Re: [tor-talk] Hulu now blocks Tor

2014-02-07 Thread Griffin Boyce
Al Billings wrote: > Doesn’t streaming HD video through Tor degrade the entire network? The problem he's having is *literally* an entirely different issue. He's using a standard browser to visit Hulu. They are blocking him because he's a middle relay, despite the fact that blocking Tor relay ops

Re: [tor-talk] The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo

2014-02-07 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/2014 11:05 PM, tor-admin wrote: > This message was reported by the Doctor: ...I said what? - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/ PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89

Re: [tor-talk] Hulu now blocks Tor

2014-02-07 Thread Al Billings
Doesn’t streaming HD video through Tor degrade the entire network? From: Missouri Anglers Missouri Anglers Reply: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Date: February 7, 2014 at 12:11:23 PM To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Subject:  Re: [tor-tal

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 2/7/2014 12:42 PM, Matthew Finkel wrote: This is in re: Hulu (whis is presumably authenticated)... but really, it applies to any service which we, the legitimate users of Tor, are denied access to. It has simply gone too far and we should be putting effort into reversing this trend by interac

Re: [tor-talk] Hulu now blocks Tor

2014-02-07 Thread Joshua Datko
So, I should clarify: The computer on which I received this error was not running Tor at all. Not as a daemon; not the TBB. I run a non-exit relay, on my same home network and thus the same public facing IP as my public facing relay. My conclusion that Hulu blocks Tor was based on the following

Re: [tor-talk] Hulu now blocks Tor

2014-02-07 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Missouri Anglers: > Hulu requires JavaScript to work properly. > If you enable JavaScript when visiting the site > does that not defeat the purpose of using TOR? Note: JavaScript is not the same as Java. Please also see: https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#TBBJavaScriptEnabled -- tor-ta

Re: [tor-talk] Using Tor Browser without Tor?

2014-02-07 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Soul Plane: > Is it ok to use the Tor Browser without Tor? What do you mean by "ok"? Ethical? Sure. Legal? In most countries, where Firefox/Tor Browser is legal, this would be legal as well. Possible? Yes. Useful? The more people doing it, the better. > I don't need Tor but I like > the privacy f

Re: [tor-talk] Hulu now blocks Tor

2014-02-07 Thread Missouri Anglers
Hulu requires JavaScript to work properly. If you enable JavaScript when visiting the site does that not defeat the purpose of using TOR? On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:54:41 -0700 Joshua Datko wrote: > As I tried to watch Family Guy, I received this message from Hulu: > > > Based on your IP addr

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:46:32PM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > So many sites that we all use are now blacklisting Tor. It's unclear > whether it is via their use of tools that blindly utilize blacklists, > or if they are making a conscious choice to deny Tor users. As far > as I'm concerned, we are al

Re: [tor-talk] Using Tor Browser without Tor?

2014-02-07 Thread unknown
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:00:02 -0500 Soul Plane wrote: > Is it ok to use the Tor Browser without Tor? I don't need Tor but I like > the privacy features that the browser offers. Yes you can. I use that way for transparent torifycation in Linux, manually restarting Browser and changing tor-circuits

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread shm...@riseup.net
grarpamp: > So many sites that we all use are now blacklisting Tor. It's unclear > whether it is via their use of tools that blindly utilize blacklists, > or if they are making a conscious choice to deny Tor users. As far > as I'm concerned, we are all legitimate users of their services and > quit

Re: [tor-talk] The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo

2014-02-07 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 02:14:28PM +0100, tor-admin wrote: > Sebastian, thanks for clarification. I remember there were some late changes > #9063, #9072, #9093, and #10169 which made it into 2.4.X because of the DOS > issues Rob Jansen described in https://blog.torproject.org/blog/new-tor- > den

Re: [tor-talk] Pluggable transports

2014-02-07 Thread TheMindwareGroup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hmmm... I've been thinking about all this stuff, and reading up on the PDFs. I think "the parrot is dead" is a little over strict in his analysis, I highly doubt they have technology as good as this yet and probably wont have any time soon, so yes i

Re: [tor-talk] The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo

2014-02-07 Thread tor-admin
On Friday 07 February 2014 09:50:52 Sebastian Hahn wrote: > The idea is to recommend all versions which aren't known to be bad, so > that an operator who reads their Tor logs will realize their Tor really > needs to be upgraded in order to remain secure/operational when theysee > it. So, if an -rc

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Öyvind Saether
> What can we do, as a collective social entity, to put an end to > this madness? It is not as if we, as Tor users, present any more > of a load upon their help/fraud/abuse desks than the wider open > internet as a whole, even when if perhaps adjusted for market share > of source IP's. So what can

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Paul Syverson
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 12:33:08AM -0800, Al Jigong Billings wrote: > Or maybe people got tired of the minority of trolls and nazis that seem to > come through Tor to infest some sites. I know people who block Tor. It is > usually because a disproportionate amount of the abuse on their site comes >

Re: [tor-talk] TBB: Can not set back to Never remember history

2014-02-07 Thread Georg Koppen
Hi, On 06.02.2014 21:20, David Balažic wrote: > I now tried a clean installation of TBB 3.5.1 win32 > > I change the option from "Never remember history" to "Remember History". > It requested a restart. > Then I checked and it was "Use custom settings for history". > I looked at the TorButton ext

Re: [tor-talk] The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo

2014-02-07 Thread Sebastian Hahn
Hi, On 07 Feb 2014, at 08:05, tor-admin wrote: > This message was reported by the Doctor: > > NOTICE: The following directory authorities recommend other client versions > than the consensus: gabelmoo +0.2.2.39 +0.2.4.15-rc +0.2.4.5-alpha +0.2.4.6- > alpha +0.2.4.7-alpha +0.2.4.10-alpha +0.2.4.

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Lunar
grarpamp: > So many sites that we all use are now blacklisting Tor. It's unclear > whether it is via their use of tools that blindly utilize blacklists, > or if they are making a conscious choice to deny Tor users. As far > as I'm concerned, we are all legitimate users of their services and > quite

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Al Jigong Billings
Or maybe people got tired of the minority of trolls and nazis that seem to come through Tor to infest some sites. I know people who block Tor. It is usually because a disproportionate amount of the abuse on their site comes from Tor users. Anonymity turns some people into trolls. On Feb 7, 2014 12

[tor-talk] The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo

2014-02-07 Thread tor-admin
This message was reported by the Doctor: NOTICE: The following directory authorities recommend other client versions than the consensus: gabelmoo +0.2.2.39 +0.2.4.15-rc +0.2.4.5-alpha +0.2.4.6- alpha +0.2.4.7-alpha +0.2.4.10-alpha +0.2.4.12-alpha +0.2.4.13-alpha +0.2.4.14-alpha +0.2.4.9-alpha +0

Re: [tor-talk] Pissed off about Blacklists, and what to do?

2014-02-07 Thread Andrea Shepard
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:46:32PM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > So many sites that we all use are now blacklisting Tor. It's unclear > whether it is via their use of tools that blindly utilize blacklists, > or if they are making a conscious choice to deny Tor users. As far > as I'm concerned, we are al