On 3/23/2010 9:58 AM, John Gateley wrote:
> Is there a "mobile" mode or plug-in for Squirrelmail that
> would allow access by a Kindle? Kindle's web browsing
> capability is VERY limited.
I'm sure we could come up with something. Send us some Kindles, and
we'll have a go. ;)
Chris
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On 2/13/2010 7:04 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hello Simon,
>
> I am 99% sure it was a phishing attack against you users.
>
> I have currently over 300 accounts runing on my corporated domain and
> told ALL USERS, that I will never send (admin) messages without there
> full First- and Fami
NFN Smith wrote:
> I'm doing maintenance work on a server that's adequately current on
> Squirrelmail (running 1.4.15 in Debian Lenny), but is way behind on plugins.
>
> I'm getting the plugins updated, but I notice that there are several
> that have been installed, that were installed as stand-
Gourley, Gale wrote:
> I have searched the archives, forums, help files, etc.. and can not find
> a solution for this. Everything I have found is not working. I am
> using Squirrelmail 1.4.5, hmailserver, IIS 5, php 5.2.10 all running on
> a Windows 2000 server box, and can not get this to work.
> pal-2 wrote:
> Not to mention the war in the development team...
There's a war amongst the development team? Huh.. You'd think the
development team would have heard about it.
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nurimaso wrote:
> Sorry, SquirrelMail version is 1.4.20
>
>
> nurimaso wrote:
>> I'm using SquirrelMail with HMailServer in Windows server 2008. Sometimes
>> when I try to send or response an e-mail an error occurs:
>>
>> ERROR.
>> Message not sent.
>> Server answer: Requested action aborted: err
David Gooden wrote:
> I installed a new server using Redhat Enterprize linux 5. I installed the
> 1.4.19 version of squirrel mail. I can send email out to anyone. I can send
> and receive to anyone on the system but I cannot receive from an outside
> source. Any suggestions?
Verify that incomin
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. wrote:
> Warning: file_exists() [function.file-exists]: open_basedir restriction in
> effect. File(/usr/local/share/sqmail/data) is not within the allowed path(s):
> (/srv/http/:/srv/www:/home/:/tmp/:/usr/share/pear/)
> in /srv/www/htdocs/squirrelmail/src/configtest.ph
Juan Hernandez wrote:
> ehh are we going to keep this threat alive by answering to all this
> pointless BS?
No, of course not.
Oops.
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je...@u-impression.com wrote:
> You are also an IDIOT!
> Great show of service, Jawed!
> Didn't u know customers are always right?
You're demanding free help and tossing insults. You're not a customer.
Start paying, then maybe you can be "always right."
> Thanks a lot! You've got GRRREAT class~
Francesc Bassas wrote:
> Hi Tomas, thanks for answering,
> We have cyrus IMAP, so we let SORT and THREAD to Imap with the folowing
> sets:
>
> 10. Allow server thread sort: false
> 11. Allow server-side sorting : false
This is backwards - you want both of these settings set to TRUE if
you'r
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>
> I've got another question though. Does cyrus-imap offer a database
> backend?
>
>
Not exactly. Can I ask what it is you're trying to solve using a database?
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Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Just a related question. So, can SM do client side threading
> when using server side threading is not possible?
Yep. If the server can't do it, SquirrelMail will do it for you in PHP
(which is typically much slower).
I used to use dbmail years ago, left it
Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
>
> No, I would like to use exactly one password per session.
>
> And, as an alternative, it would be nice to be able to use the
> "original" password.
>
>
> Technically, it could look more or less like this:
>
> - login with a OTP
> - SquirrelMail (or some plugin) looks
Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> I found some references to one time passwords (OTP) usage with
> SquirrelMail in the mailing list archives, but no definitive answer.
>
> Is it possible to set up SquirrelMail to use OTP? As almost every IMAP
> usage in SquirrelMail would be a new connection/authentica
Rubén Gaitán Aguado wrote:
> Actually, the IMAP Server is working ok. Users can use their mailboxes by
> IMAP, but no by Squirrelmail.
> Logged on to the server as root --> telnet localhost 143 is OK too.
If your IMAP server supports it, turn on telemetry (command logging) or
sniff the network t
Ruben Gaitan Aguado wrote:
> SquirrelMail version:
>
> squirrelmail-1.4.8-4.0.1.el4.noarch
That version is very out of date. Upgrade to the most recent stable
release. (Currently 1.4.16)
> Trying to access a mailbox from squirrelmail, I get the following
> error on my browser (no one on error_log
Rafael Martinez wrote:
> Hello
>
> Are we having problems with http://www.squirrelmail.org/ today?
> When can we expect the problem to be resolved?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
Comes up fine for me. What sort of problems in particular are you
experiencing?
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Scott Haneda wrote:
> Hello, I am running SquirrelMail 1.4.16, against EIMS Mail Server
> which support IMAP.
>
> SquirrelMail is very slow at loading mailboxes. EIMS stores mail in a
> single file, like UW IMAP server. If I telnet into the server, and
> select a mailbox, one in which I fee
Scott Haneda wrote:
> Nice stats, thanks. I am strongly looking into Dovecot with maildir
> format, anyone care to comment on that? I know it is still in beta,
> but it seems solid, abd builds clean on OS X in test so far.
Can't comment on Dovcecot, but on the other end of things I'd highly
r
Scott Haneda wrote:
>> 3 seconds just to tell you how many messages there are. Now imagine how
>> long it takes to fetch headers.
>
> I know, I feel it is slow as well. To better help me get this into
> perspective, what hardware examples can you give me as for cpu and
> drives, and how many mes
Carlos Williams wrote:
> I had SM configured on my server as example.net. I today had one of my
> servers crash so I migrated all data over and made my
> .net server to the .org. When I send and receive email via Postfix,
> everything appends the correct example.org domain however when I login
> t
Alejandro Facultad wrote:
> Dear all, I have Postfix mail server configured for SMTP Autentication
> taking and password from an existing MySQL databaseit works very
> well because each time a user send a mesage he must put his password.
>
> We use Squirrelmail as my corporate webmail, so do
exist!
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| but /var/spool/squirrelmail/data exists!!!
Just out of curiousity, what is your PHP open_basedir setting?
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email builder wrote:
|> The "native" interface for SMS is not email/SMTP. The native stuff
|> is fairly robust, but the email gateways vary quite widely. For
|> example, with my carrier (T-Mobile in the US)
|
| What's the SMS email address format for
?
Do it at the SMTP level. Be prepared to run out of disk space.
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Stephen Liu wrote:
| Pls advise whether SM will stop the outgoing traffic on port 25 to be
| used by another mail software? If YES, where to check and how to fix
| the problem. TIA
Nope. You've got a configuration problem elsewhere.
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:-)
I would recommend using fail2ban to protect the underlying SMTP and IMAP
services rather than SquirrelMail, as it is just a client for those
services. You want to protect the services themselves. YMMV, of course.
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> squirelmail.
Well if they have the password as you indicated above, there isn't a
whole lot to "compromising" the account, is there?
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; >Error opening ../data/default_pref
> >Could not create initial preference file!
> >/var/local/squirrelmail/data/ should be writable by user www
> >Please contact your system administrator and report this error.
What are the permissions and ownership on /var/local/squirre
eleted) preference and adress book files.
> How can I free up this space.
If you know of users which no longer exist, simply go and erase the
files belonging to them. Ie. user 'tassium' no longer exists? rm
tassium.* in the data directory.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Your program, src/login.php, line 27, has a 'require_once(SM_PATH .
> 'config/config.php')' command, BUT there is no such file in the config
> folder!
Did you actually configure Squirrelma
: localhost
> 5. IMAP Port : 143
> 6. Authentication type: cram-md5
> 7. Secure IMAP (TLS) : false
> 8. Server software: courier
> 9. Delimiter : detect
Your IMAP server is localhost - what exactly are you gaining by using
CRAM-MD5
t's a nice trick to know. That will save time next time I need to test
> without any plugins.
Or you can put it in config_local.php, which saves you from accidental
config.php borkage (yes, that's a word).
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=00:00:07, mailer=esmtp, pri=42243579, relay=mail.emps.equant.com.
> [207.46.51.86], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 833AB1660087)
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eric ehlers wrote:
> I'm having problems enabling PGP for Nutsmail and would be grateful
> for some help.
You're using Nutsmail. Contact the Nutsmail folks for support.
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>> Yes, if you're using the development branch.
^^
> I did not have this option either. So the stable version does not have it
> I suppose? It looks like only the 1.5.x branch has this.
ur
user preferences and addressbooks.
It's not QUITE as simple as Olivier makes it out, but it's still easy
enough.
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lMail as it is Hotmail. Have you tried
contacting their support staff?
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be either success or failure reported here)
. LOGOUT
Now. If the login worked, we move on to debugging SquirrelMail. Run the
configtest.php script and report the results of anything unusual in there.
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an give.
Did SquirrelMail work *before* you upgraded things?
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Would a simple redirect do instead?
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useful. Try posting actual details (check the posting guidelines for
suggestions) and maybe we can provide better answers.
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s not set up correctly, or your SMTP
server is not delivering to where your IMAP server expects the mail to be.
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.org/wiki/InstallSquirrelMailFromAUseraccount
Basically you want to upload everything to your web hosting account.
Then keep a copy of the entire config directory on your local Linux
machine. Use the conf.pl utility to generate an appropriate config.
Then upload config.php as well.
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Chris Hil
imscan and/or qmail. Something's not right in your SMTP setup.
You didn't give me any real details, so I can't identify it any clearer
than that.
You may want to try doing a "test run" using telnet to port 25 of your
SMTP server.
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u want, at least, not after the first 10
messages or so. And it really is easier and more efficient to do
outside of SquirrelMail.
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. You don't want to do this in SquirrelMail, it'd be much better
done on the server at the time of delivery.
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Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Ricardo Stella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I was searching the archives about this, and there were discussions on
>> sm-lite - Problem is the links where it was being hosted are 404s now.
>> Seems that it's no longer supported
use the LOGIN method. Then secure
squirrelmail by using HTTPS, such as some mod_rewrite rules or the
secure_login plugin. (I prefer the plugin, I find it more flexible but
that's just me).
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thing?
Did you remember to restart httpd after editing php.ini? Also, IIRC
there have been fixes for this sort of thing, so you really should try
upgrading to the latest stable release first.
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to have happen, and what
actually did happen? Did you get any error messages, either in your
browser or in your webserver/php logs?
More detail is better. You've given us relatively nothing to work with.
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leneck(s) are
before you just throw a PHP cache at the problem. Without detailed
information about your system, I can't really offer specific suggestions.
I'd look at optimizing the IMAP server first.
Post details if you want a more in-depth analysis.
Chris Hilts
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Luis Garza wrote:
> I would like to increase the file size limit for attachments.
> Squirrelmail comes with a 2M limit by default but I cannot seem to find
> that menu option to increase this limit.
I hereby summon the FAQ Squirrel!
http://www.squi
ou to post to the list? Why?
"The list" is a mailing list. When you post to
squirrelmail-users@lists.sourceforge.net, your message goes out
automatically to everyone that is subscribed to the list.
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dave nash wrote:
>> ERROR : Could not complete request.
>> Query: EXPUNGE
>> Reason Given: EXPUNGE failed: Unable to extend mailbox: Disk quota
>> exceeded
> Aside, I also don't know why EXPUNGE fails if the user disk quota is exceeded,
> but I'm no
er that I will update sqmail when the new
> version is released and he now asked for it...
> If 1.4.10 is still a long way to go I'll have to install 1.4.9a but .10
> would be preferred ;)
Why don't you install via subversion and then you can update via a
simple command: "svn
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Pruonckk le Punk wrote:
> Im experience some strange error on my squirrelmail (nutsmail realy),
You should probably contact the nutsmail folks for support.
Good luck,
Chris Hilts
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anel. I don't use CPanel, so I could
be completely wrong.
You should probably contact your hosting provider's tech support center.
Good luck,
Chris Hilts
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you expected to happen
and what actually did happen.
The more detail you can provide, the better we will be able to help.
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As the error message states, your web server is running out of disk
quota, and cannot store session files. If you are the system
administrator, give more (or remove entirely) quota for the user that
runs your webserver software.
If you aren't your system administrator, yo
I
> have
> tried, so I don't think it is a dovecot issue.
Have you tried the tips in
http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/SquirrelMailPerformance yet?
(Specifically the ones involving server-side sorting and threading)
Chris Hilts
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error when trying to get to the login page,
>> with resultant blank page..
>> [Sat Mar 03 18:11:47 2007] [error] [client 217.147.80.10] PHP Fatal
>> error: Call to undefined function: session_id() in
>> /usr/local/www/squirrelmail-devel/functions/global.php on line 240
D
with this situation.
http://www.squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=8
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Not an issue.
> 4. it happens only to those ppl with *very huge* inbox.
Squirrelmail is almost certainly bumping into a PHP time or memory limit
whilst attempting to sort the messages. Turn on server side sorting if
your IMAP server supports it. (If it doesn't, get a new on
le keeping your 1.4 stable installation intact and usable.
Keep good backups, as always.
Chris Hilts
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David E. Meier wrote:
> I have a client that wants to send his signature in HTML format (including
> an inline image). Has anyone already done anything like that before? Would
> others be interested in this, too?
Let me know what you come up with, so
th to the 1.4.9a release.
Are you using your config directory as your attachment temp directory,
and running a temp file cleaner (tmpreaper or the like) on it?
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le?
Yep, you forgot to tell Apache how to handle PHP files. There's nothing
wrong with Squirrelmail; you have to finish configuring Apache for use
with PHP.
Sincerely,
Chris Hilts
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a very old version of SquirrelMail. There have been many
bug and security fixes since 1.4.6, and you should migrate immediately
to 1.4.9a.
As for your actual complaint, using the latest stable release to try to
solve a problem is pretty much Standard Reply #1 in software.
Good luck,
Chris Hil
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Erik Kron wrote:
> 5. I have a /etc/xinetd.d/poppassd
> file
Did you restart xinetd?
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d application
to install. However, I have no idea if it's currently implemented.
You'd have to ask the Plesk folks. Or possibly your service provider,
depending upon how configurable Plesk is. I do not use it, so I do not
know.
Good luck,
Chris Hilts
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, where's mine?
Versamail is just an IMAP/POP client. You'll need to check your
Squirrelmail config (or sweet-talk your network admin if you're not the
one responsible for setting up Squirrelmail) and ask for the IMAP and
SMTP server addresses.
Good luck,
Chris Hilts
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mail 1.4.5 is out of date. You should upgrade to the latest
stable (which at the time of this writing is 1.4.9a).
2. Check your IMAP logs, and see why your IMAP server is dropping the
connection. This doesn't appear to be a SquirrelMail issue.
Good luck,
Chris Hilts
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Squirrelmail is 1.4.9a. Please upgrade and try
to reproduce the problem you're experiencing. (Yes, there are other
reasons to use the latest stable - we've fixed a bunch of bugs, it really
is worthwhile.)
Best wishes for the holiday season,
Chr
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Paul Lesniewski wrote:
> Not really a SquirrelMail question. Typically, you can log in to your
> system, at least as long as you have root, and go to the maildir or
> mailbox for that user and read to your heart's content by looking at
> the file(s) t
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> I tried server side sorting, but my IMAP doesn't support this.
> I'll check imapproxy.
I don't know if it is possible for you to change, but you may want to
consider using another IMAP server. One which supports sorting (an
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> I have the same problem. I've followed teh advice in teh help section of
> teh website put it still fails at approx 2meg.
You need to restart Apache after you modify the config variables.
Chris
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francesca_mecca wrote:
> I think I should modify the values of
> - post_max_size
> - memory_limit
> - upload_max_filesize
>
> Where can I found this variables? In which files?
They are PHP configuration variables, not SquirrelMail variables. They
ar
it, turn on server
side sorting in conf.pl.
> BTW, I am using version 1.4.5.
1.4.5 is quite old and out of date - there have been NUMEROUS security
and stability fixes. Current stable release is 1.4.8. Check
http://www.squirrelmail.org/download.php
Good luck,
Chris Hilts
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Scott Lockwood wrote:
> they log in: "ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server."
>
> Is this an IMAP issue, or a squirrelmail issue?
IMAP. Check the logs, see why the IMAP server is dropping the connection.
Chris Hilts
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the quota errors you described. You can work around it
by using the "bypass trash" checkbox before deleting the message, if
your version of SM has it, or disable the use of the trash folder
temporarily.
Chris Hilts
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If possible, you may want to consider migrating to
a solution which sorts and filters the incoming mail at delivery time,
such as procmail.
Chris Hilts
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> my question is, why is not db support present? is any additional package
> needed?
Because it isn't installed. Install the 'php4-pgsql' package.
This is a missing dependency in your PHP setup, not an error in
SquirrelMail.
Chris Hilts
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] TU Darmstadt wrote:
> What I want to do now, is to secure the login process.
> I'd like to avoid using mod_rewrite.
Have you considered the 'secure login' plugin? It works REALLY well for me.
Chris H
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Stefan Stolz wrote:
> i read, that in general thread sort should work with cyrus. I turned it on in
> the config ($allow_thread_sort=true;), but it dont works. I use squirrelmail
> 1.4.8.
Can you be more specific?
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her suggestions please?
http://www.squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=73
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to process the inbox. Any clues?
This is not PHP running out of memory. Read the error message:
Connection dropped by IMAP server. Check your IMAP logs, and see what's up.
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certificate (either self-signed or from a CA) and configure
apache to work with it. (There are several HOWTO documents for this)
Once you have HTTPS working, then I recommend using the secure_login
plugin for SquirrelMail
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s had occasional vulnerabilities, as all software does.
As bugs are discovered, they are fixed. Promptly.
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> file_uploads = On
> upload_max_filesize = 16M
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> so why does SM show 8M then?
http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/AttachmentSize
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. If you made a SquirrelMail plugin
for this, it'd only ever work when you were logged in, which generally
means you're sitting at the computer anyway, and don't need a SMS to
tell you that you've got mail.
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Tomas Kuliavas wrote:
>> I would like to put on this personal page a hyperlink (My messages) to
>> bring them to squirrelmail inbox without another authentication.
See also:
http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/EmbeddedSquirrelMailLogin
Upgrade instructions are included with SquirrelMail. (The file named
UPGRADE in your squirrelmail directory)
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.5 the developers of SquirrelMail recommend using server-side sorting
if at all possible. (Yes, it's that much of a win)
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> everything is default install. Any ideas?
This is a known (and documented) issue. Currently the only workaround
is to use different browsers. As far as logging in twice with the same
browser: don't do that.
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solution, you could always just make
Curly an alias to Moe, and have the user alter their From: header..
Hope this helps, and good luck. When you find the solution that works
for you, go ahead and post it for the archives.. Maybe it'll help
someone else out someday.
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7;s "good enough" for your site.
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These values will be used to connect to the SMTP server as long
as the authentication mechanism is something besides 'none', i.e.
'login','plain','cram-md5', or 'digest-md5'.
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has to be done by SquirrelMail,
in PHP, which is s-l-o-w. The IMAP server may not be at fault, and
usually isn't. (Except in the case where the server itself doesn't
support SORT.. Then it just plain needs to be replaced!).
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