On 26/01/2016 6:30 AM, S Ellison wrote:
Yet, the trend I've seen is one of increasing **R-not-help**, in that there are
many posts, often by new R users who get replies that not infrequently range
from just mildly off-putting to actively hostile:
Slightly surprised that in a debate postulated o
> Yet, the trend I've seen is one of increasing **R-not-help**, in that there
> are
> many posts, often by new R users who get replies that not infrequently range
> from just mildly off-putting to actively hostile:
Slightly surprised that in a debate postulated on increasing 'meanness', no-one
h
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On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote:
Dear members,
Not a
iate that.
Peter Alspach
(one of the 'moderators')
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(one of the 'moderators')
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To: Duncan Murdoch
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Sorry, poor phrasing on
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:06:35 -0500
Oliver Keyes wrote:
> +1. And frankly I would like to suggest that there is another obvious
> solution here; pairing a set of guidelines around expected user
> behaviour with removing people from the mailing list, or moderating
> them, if they do not think that
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 12:33:12 -0800
Hasan Diwan wrote:
> There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but
> helpful and purposely putting someone down. -- H
The line is really not "fine" at all since it lies in that word
"purposely." Also, you've associated "helpful" with uninten
Sorry, poor phrasing on my part; on the occasions where someone is
rude, all I see is...
I agree the public cautioning should be done by moderators, yes.
On 25 January 2016 at 16:13, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
> On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote:
>>
>> There exists a fine line between being un
On 25 January 2016 at 13:13, Duncan Murdoch
wrote:
> On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote:
>
>> There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful
>> and purposely putting someone down. -- H
>>
>
> I'm afraid I don't think your point is relevant. I didn't claim all the
On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote:
There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful
and purposely putting someone down. -- H
I'm afraid I don't think your point is relevant. I didn't claim all the
people who were rude did it unintentionally. However, I don't k
There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful
and purposely putting someone down. -- H
On 25 January 2016 at 12:07, Duncan Murdoch
wrote:
> On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
>
>> I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a systemic view of this
>> kind of
On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a systemic view of this
kind of behaviour.
If individual commentators are acerbic and are only privately
reprimanded, from the perspective of everyone else it looks like the
acerbic reply was A-OK. Someone
a posting one
>> >> does
>> >> not like for some reason. It might also be worthwhile to actively
>> >> counter
>> >> negative feedback when we experience that 'cringing' moment. I'm not
>> >> thinking
>> >> to foster
ler, Mark; dupo...@nancy.inra.fr; r-help@r-project.org; frien...@yorku.ca
Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?
When we read acerbic replies we should remind the poster to reply in a more
moderate tone. On the other hand noting that the list is not intended to be a
source of answe
ome tangible reassurance to new
>> users, and not just the ones invoking the negative feedback, that a
>> particular respondent may not represent the perspective of the list.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf O
t may not represent the perspective of the list.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>> Friendly
>> Sent: January 24, 2016 5:43 PM
>> To: Jean-Luc Dupouey; r-help@r-project.org
>> Subj
represent the perspective of the list.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Friendly
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> Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activi
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> Friendly
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> Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?
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>
> On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupou
y
Sent: January 24, 2016 5:43 PM
To: Jean-Luc Dupouey; r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?
On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote:
> Dear members,
>
> Not a technical question:
But one worth raising...
>
> The number of thread
I think this mailing list is wonderful and it has helped me a lot. In
fact, I am not sure I would be using R today if it was not for this
list.
Bob
On 1/24/2016 4:42 PM, Michael Friendly wrote:
On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote:
Dear members,
Not a technical question:
But one wo
On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote:
Dear members,
Not a technical question:
But one worth raising...
The number of threads in this mailing list, following a long period of
increase, has been regularly and strongly decreasing since 2010, passing
from more than 40K threads to less th
One additional point:
On 23/01/2016 8:33 AM, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
distinction between answers and comments, it's gamification (badges,
One advantage of Stackoverflow is that you can go back and correct silly
errors (like misspelling "its").
Duncan Murdoch
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
I don't see duplication as counterproductive -- some people like one style,
some like the other, both will find answers.
Duncan,
There's another factor to add to your list. Mail lists, such as r-help and
the various SIGs _push_ messages to subscrib
On 23/01/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote:
Dear members,
Not a technical question:
The number of threads in this mailing list, following a long period of
increase, has been regularly and strongly decreasing since 2010, passing
from more than 40K threads to less than 11K threads last year. T
Hi,
from my perspective as R user and package maintainer I would consider
the normalization of the r-help mailing list a good sign. r-help is
still a good place for general questions, while more specific
discussions moved to the r-sig-... mailing lists.
Maybe a slight reduction can also be a
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