On 25 January 2016 at 13:13, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote: > >> There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful >> and purposely putting someone down. -- H >> > > I'm afraid I don't think your point is relevant. I didn't claim all the > people who were rude did it unintentionally. However, I don't know anyone > on the list who is always rude and never helpful. Oliver claimed almost > everyone is like that. > I actually agree with a weaker version of John's proposal (which I cut out > of my reply to Oliver). I can imagine a public reprimand from one of the > moderators would be appropriate. It would never be appropriate from > general list members; that's what leads to flame wars. > > I'm not a moderator, so I would not publicly "remind the poster to reply > in a more moderate tone", and neither should you (unless you're a > moderator). It would be much better if one or both of us posted a more > helpful response when we saw a rude, unhelpful one. I'm not one to attack others in general, and have developed thick skin, so a lot of what others find rude, I will ignore and get on with things. That said, if someone does tell me that e.g. "Hasan is being offensive because of $x, $y or $z", I'll apologise and get on with my life. Most of the time, when people find me offensive, it's because I treat others how I wish to be treated and the rhetoric just doesn't offend me. -- H > > > Duncan Murdoch > > > > >> On 25 January 2016 at 12:07, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.dun...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: >> > >> >> I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a systemic view of this >> >> kind of behaviour. >> >> >> >> If individual commentators are acerbic and are only privately >> >> reprimanded, from the perspective of everyone else it looks like the >> >> acerbic reply was A-OK. Someone said something unnecessarily hostile >> >> and the response was...nada. That creates an environment where there >> >> are no clear examples of what crosses a line and no clear expectation >> >> that moderation is even a thing that happens. Indeed, I was shocked to >> >> discover this list _was_ moderated precisely because all I see is >> >> people being mean and nothing much else happening. >> >> >> > >> > Why would you bother to read it if that's all you see? I think there >> are >> > examples of posts here which are not at all helpful, and others which >> are >> > rude, but the majority are actually helpful (even some of the rude >> ones). >> > >> > Duncan Murdoch >> > >> > >> > ______________________________________________ >> > R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> > PLEASE do read the posting guide >> > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> > >> >> >> >> > -- OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key Sent from my mobile device Envoyé de mon portable [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
