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python.org website checkout. I'll suggest the link to the other pydotorg
types.
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No matter how well known the term is in the environment where it's used
today you have to be sensitive to other meanings of the term.
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Java and its definition of the term is nowhere to
be found.
I suppose you can argue that it should be called "future". I still contend
that the name is *not* intuitive, no matter how well known it happens to be
within the Java world. Don't name it "
mind me of
the __builtin__/__builtins__ confusion.
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> to Twisted
Can this module at least be pushed down into a package? I think
"concurrent" or "concurrency" were both suggested at one point.
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implementation for a long while into the future.
As I was reading the code I thought, "Great! This stuff is so simple. It's
even all written in C." Then I looked at the re2 page. :-(
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under the covers than I think it belongs in PyPI, not the Python
distribution. That said, that suggests to me that a different NFA or DFA
implementation written in C would replace sre, one not written in C++.
Hopefully that provides some context
: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyqnx/
If all you care about are mainstream Windows, Unix/Linux and Mac OSX
environments then C++ is no problem.
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lang.python but failed to find any needles in the
haystack. Perhaps you will have better luck.
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If the 5ms interval is too long would it be possible to adaptively reduce it
in this situation? How would you detect it? I assume this would be akin to
your interactiveness computation.
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... cd /etc ; hg init ; hg add hosts")
worked quite well, but when I tried to use it for something where I was
actually working collaboratively (my lockfile module) I managed to get my
code/branches/heads/whatever completely f**ked up. I gave up and just went
back to S
ct place to submit such a request would be
postmas...@python.org.
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Nick> I think there's a page on the wiki with suggestions on how to get
Nick> started, but I don't have a link handy - hopefully someone else
Nick> will chime in with it.
:ring: :ring: :ring:
http://www.python.org/dev/
hat gnome love is (and would be hesitant to click on any such
links, especially at work) but on bugs.python.org such items are tagged
"easy". Right on the front page is a link with the label "Show Easy".
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n-Mac folks
involved in the release.
I'm willing to give it a whirl (I have both a MacBook Pro and a PowerMac G5
at home - both running Max OSX 10.5.x (Leopard)) though I will almost
certainly need a cheat sheet for the process. I normally treat my Macs as
Unix boxes from a Python perspecti
e issue. Probably half the people with
laptops at the last PyCon I attended were Macs. I suspect anyone with a
recent Mac running Leopard or Snow Leopard should be able to build the
binary release. It's probably just a matter of knowing how.
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- with *all* the C
Michael> extensions that are part of a Python release - is not a trivial
Michael> task.
Isn't that just a matter of having the recipe written down somewhere?
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/usr/local don't appear in any paths when the script is run? On my laptop
(MacPorts installed, not Fink) I see that MANPATH, PATH and INFOPATH are
currently "polluted" with /opt/local. MANPATH and PATH contain /usr/local.
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inary installer. (At the very least, searching /sw/include (for
instance) could be suppressed if /sw/bin was not found in PATH. Similarly
for /opt/local and /usr/local.)
(ISTM the same might be true should people ever decide to once again build a
Solaris installer. /opt/sfw is currently searched f
e out at the time how to get it to fire up on reboot. That was a
few years ago. I think today that would easily be accomplished with an
@reboot crontab entry. Dunno if that was available way back then, but it's
certainly supported on Mac OSX now.
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to use tools which work across those
platforms to the extent that I can. While @reboot is not universally
available (Solaris doesn't support it as far as I can tell) it is still more
common where I operate than launchd. Not to mention which I have to horse
around with XML for config f
Ned> Any idea what type of machine it is and where it is currently
Ned> located?
I seem to recall it is/was a G4 XServe. My guess as to location would be at
xs4all.nl.
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Victor> Do we still support OS/2 or not?
Yes. Andrew MacIntyre maintains the OS/2 port:
http://www.andymac.org/
He's on python-dev. You mostly see activity from him around release time.
I would contact him directly if you need some assistance from hi
ching for him I'm fine with it.
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much of our hardware and software
humming and providing critical network expertise at PyCon. I don't think we
have to be such slaves to a set of rules that we can't use an implicit trust
network to make decisions in certain cases. I trust Sean's judgement.
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t than Python currently has?
We got rid of gopherlib a few years ago (deprecated in 2.5, presumably gone
in 2.6). I suspect the NNTP protocol has a greatly diminished user base as
well, GMANE's presence notwithstanding.
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before seeing Barry's reply about Mailman. That's certainly a reasonable
use case.
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ho do
actually update wiki content. Unfortunately, without donning my cape and
blue tights, then digging into the users files on the wiki there's no real
way to do that.
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to find it than me. I became a convert watching the Unladen
Swallow folks use it.
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Raymond> ... but the chance to fix it will be lost unless core devs get
Raymond> more time to work on the problem or unless the ABI freeze is
Raymond> deferred.
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in his list seem strongly suggestive of the meaning to me. I suspect that
means one's ultimately as good (or as bad) as the rest.
how-about-"lookout"?-ly, y'rs,
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Since it might not just be in the immediate parent scope, how about
"ancestor"? <0.5 wink>
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Stefan> as suggested in
Stefan> http://www.w3.org/International/O-URL-code.html
Stefan> and rfc3986.
Seems like the right way to do it to me.
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(undocumented, but I think de facto) commonly used idiom no longer works.
(In fact, it always bothered me a bit that I had to even provide the unused
values.)
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avoided to me though.
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; time.strftime("%b %d, %Y", (2005, 6, 4) + (1,)*6)
'Jun 04, 2005'
instead (switching to the all-ones default that still works)?
Martin> So this was changed in response to a bug report about a crash.
Yeah, but it broke common (at the time) usage.
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bargain. His software started
throwing off errors. At that point he read the NEWS file and saw the
problem. He clearly wasn't fully master of the environment in which his
customers ran his software, so I think it's understandable that he was
caught by surprise by this change.
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tware consultants like Greg Black.
Another area where this particular process broke down was that there simply
wasn't already a test case for the fairly common case of calling strftime
with a six-zeroes pad to format a simple date. Had it been there already,
it would have been discovered wh
x27;t gotten around to testing his software with 2.4 yet.
Maybe the software was written on-site for a client and he didn't have
access to it to even test in his own environment.
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Python announcements on the python.org front page (scroll to the bottom).
The buildbot idea sounds excellent.
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lot of the "can't we please squeeze this one
little change in?" that's been happening. Shortening a micro release a bit
seems reasonably easy to accommodate, but since minor releases occur so
infrequently, I think it would be better to stret
, you could subscribe to the python-checkins mailing list.
Most of the time you'd probably decide rather quickly to delete the
messages, but the stuff you care about should be in the checkin comments.
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is ready, 2.n would become "stable" and 2.(n+1) would
Greg> become the new "unstable".
In GCC don't they do an odd (stable)/even (unstable) release schedule? Same
for Linux kernels? Would that help?
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noncontroversial checkins.
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trivial (a symlink
change) to fall back to the latest stable release.
Glyph, would that sort of scheme work for you?
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the svn-up/make dance (at least on Unix-y systems - can it be
much more difficult on Windows?). If it breaks something, either figure out
why or drop back to 2.4 for a week or two and try again. If application
breakage remains, investigate.
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at PEP 291 it looks like 1.5.2 compatibility is desired (no string methods,
no unicode). I think a conscious decision by someone (probably Vinay Sajip)
to give up that compatibility would be requir
way to minimizing the problem.)
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arp.
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needs documentation does it have it? etc). Do that, attach comments to each
of the five, then send a note here listing the five you reviewed and the
patch id of your patch and one of those patch angels will take a look at
your patch (if they haven't already).
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x27;s possible to actually get more useful bits? On my
Solaris 10/Intel desktop box clock_getres shows 0.01s resolution (not
obviously better) while on a Linux box here it shows 0.001s resolution. Is
that better than what gettimeofday() does?
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Jean-Paul>
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1531405&group_id=5470&atid=105470>,
Jean-Paul> or will changes be allowed between b3 and final?
The latter. One would hope bugfixes only.
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Analysis as an advanced undergraduate class. ;-)
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Matt> Could it be considered a bug in the atexit module (or is that what
Matt> you meant)?
Or a bug in the logging package?
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ocator also comes
Martin> from the fact that it doesn't ever have to release memory. Just
Martin> try changing it to see what I mean.
Wouldn't use of obmalloc offset much of that? Before obmalloc was
available, the int free list was a huge win. Is it likely t
s going to happen it seems like it would be
a good idea to set up the relevant bits on both buildbots.
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Jean-Paul> One could just as easily ask why no one bothers to read
Jean-Paul> mailing list archives to see if their question has been
Jean-Paul> answered before.
Jean-Paul> No one will ever know, it is just one of the mysteries of the
Jean-Paul> universe.
+
Jean-Paul> Sorry, brainfart.
But still... QOTF ;-)
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Guido> IMO it's the call of the release managers. Board members ought to
Guido> trust the release managers and not apply undue pressure.
Indeed. Let's not go whacking people with boards. The Perl people would
just laug
is to test
for cross-language problems?
Either/or/neither/something else?
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move where it only removes the first instance?
When I want to remove something from a list I typically write:
while x in somelist:
somelist.remove(x)
not "if" as in your example.
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Michael> There are several different possible approaches in pure Python,
Michael> but is this an idea that has legs ?
Why not add it to itertools? Then, if you need a true list, just call
list() on the returned iterator.
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Greg> Or maybe remove() should just do nothing if the item is not
Greg> found.
If that's the case, I'd argue that dict.remove and set.remove should behave
the same way, making .discard unnecessary. OTOH, perhaps lists should grow
a .disca
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ts" or "license" for more information.
(InteractiveConsole)
>>> import sys
>>> sys.stdout.close()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in ?
File "/Users/skip/src/python-svn/release24-maint/Lib/code.py", li
Anthony> If you know of any backports that should go in, please make
Anthony> sure you get them done before the 11th.
skip> John Hunter (matplotlib author) recently made me aware of a
skip> problem with code.InteractiveConsole. It doesn't protect itself
sk
ts to know if the patch (which I believe has
already been applied to all three active svn branches) is the source of the
problem or if they want to know if it solves the buffer overrun problem.
Are they suggesting that 10*size should be the character multiple in all
cases?
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ys.stdin etc has a valid and dup:able
Fredrik> fileno when the console is instantiated ?
Nothing, I suppose. I'm just concerned that the InteractiveConsole instance
keep working after its interact() method is called.
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ms of virtual
paper. This sort of documentation is all but useless for a Python
programmer like myself. I don't really need to know the five syntactic
constructor variants. I need to know how to use the classes which have been
exposed to me.
I guess this is a long-winded way of
uot;, a fair number of floats
are allocated, a bit over 25% of them are -1.0, 0.0 or +1.0, and nearly 50%
of them are whole numbers between -10.0 and 10.0, inclusive.
Seems like it at least deserves a serious look. It would be nice to have
the numeric crowd contribute to this subject as well.
Most definitely. I just posted what I came up with in about two minutes.
I'll add some code to track the high water mark as well and report back.
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Terry> "Kristján V. Jónsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Anyway, Skip noted that 50% of all floats are whole numbers between
>> -10 and 10 inclusive,
Terry> Please, no. He said something like this about
Terry> *non-floating-point applic
skip> Most definitely. I just posted what I came up with in about two
skip> minutes. I'll add some code to track the high water mark as well
skip> and report back.
Using the smallest change I could get away with, I came up with these
allocation figures (same as befo
a small fraction of the cost and considerably greater
Nick> generality. It isn't clear whether the effort justifies doing
Nick> more.
Doesn't that presume that optimizing just 0.0 could be done easily? Suppose
0.0 is generated all over the place in EVE?
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Martin> b) it is likely that this change won't affect a significant
Martin>number of applications (I'm pretty sure someone will notice,
Martin>though; someone always notices).
+1 QOTF.
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Greg> have you run any generic benchmarks such as pystone to get a
Greg> better idea of what the net effect on "typical" python code is?
MAL's pybench would probably be better for this presuming it does some
addition with s
told, there were only 22 hits, none for very long strings, so that
doesn't explain the performance improvement.
BTW, on my Mac (OSX 10.4.8) max() is not defined. I had to add a macro
definition to string_concat.
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rrently
distribute is affected - 2.3.5 built Oct 5 2005). Would you provide a patch
of some sort for Windows or just refer people to corrected installers?
Given the apparently miserable results trying to get Windows users to
install security fixes manually, I doubt a new 2.4.3 Windows installer
ns/52226-1.txn': Permission denied
subversion/clients/cmdline/util.c:380: (apr_err=13)
svn: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
subversion/clients/cmdline/util.c:380: (apr_err=13)
svn:
'/Users/skip/src/python-svn/release25-maint/Doc/lib/svn-commit.4.tmp&#x
Tim> As Georg said, looks like you did a read-only checkout.
Thanks Georg & Tim. That was indeed the problem. I don't know why I've had
such a hard time wrapping my head around Subversion.
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lf when I get a chance.
Is this on a machine hosted by xs4all? If so, we can probably just ask them
to monitor it from nagios (or whatever tool they use).
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es significant (e.g., do
you really need range(1) to demonstrate the problem)? Also, I can never
remember exactly, but are even-numbered minor numbers in GCC releases
supposed to be development releases (or is that for the Linux kernel)?
Just a few questions that come to mind.
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if ( std::strcmp( infile_name, "-" ) == 0 )
infile = std::fdopen( std::fileno(stdin), "rb" );
else
infile = std::fopen( infile_name, "rb" );
That is, can I change stdin from
te.connect(":memory:") calls. Sometimes there is a second parameter to
the call.
Anybody seen this before?
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g5.
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aries on darwin: gl, glu
and glut. If I comment out all those tests, test_sqlite succeeds. If any
of them are enabled, test_sqlite fails.
I've taken this about as far as I can. I submitted a bug report here:
http://python.org/sf/1581906
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tems were "optimized".
Is there anyone else with a g5 who can do a vanilla Unix (not framework)
build on an up-to-date g5 from an up-to-date Subversion repository? It
would be nice if someone else could at least confirm or not confirm this
problem.
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, what's installed by Apple is 3.1.3.
Aside from the possibility that I somehow compiled against
/usr/include/sqlite3.h and linked against /usr/local/lib/libsqlite3.0.dylib,
what difference should 3.3.8 vs. 3.1.3 have made?
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most heavily used types in python appears to be faster. That seems like a
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2.5 -> 2.6) requires external modules to
Larry> recompile?
Yes, in general, though you can often get away without it if you don't mind
Python screaming at you about version mismatches.
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Christopher> I'm wondering if my posts are going through??
Yup. Sorry, but I've no useful comments to make on your problems though.
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kac" problem is. I will attempt to channel the
other members of the group (OMM...) and suggest that folks are either
(like me) unfamiliar with the problem domain or too busy at the moment to
look into the details. Your Best Bet (tm) would be to file a bug report on
SourceForge so it
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AssertionError
This failure seems to coincide with some checkins by Georg. Full output
here:
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