Re: [Python-Dev] egg_info in PyPI

2010-09-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 18.09.2010 15:27, schrieb Steve Holden: > On 9/18/2010 9:21 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> IT WILL BE NOT IN PREFERENCE TO DISTUTILS2. > > No need to shout. I really felt that this otherwise wouldn't be heard - I tried to say it a number of times before, and it

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot for AIX

2010-09-20 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Also could you provide me the master.cfg file (with obfuscated > passwords) that is used by the Python buildbot master or tell me if it > is in subversion somewhere? Attached! Regards, Martin # -*- python -*- # This is a sample buildmaster config file. It must be installed as # 'master.cfg' in

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Given that this came out rather unfortunately (even if the end result > is the best that could have happened) I would recommend that in the > future more attention is paid to "documenting" publicly that someone's > being booted out was inevitable, by an exchange of messages on > python-dev (or py

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> deputed tracker authority/ies. Not everyone has the same idea about how >> to handle the various fields and processes. Who decides in cases of >> disagreement? > > We discussed this a while back and I don't think we really have a tracker > BD. Brett and Martin come closest, but mostly we jus

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Let me ask a question which I don't think has been asked in this > thread: are there guidelines for tracker-trawlers? I'm never sure > where to look for this kind of thing myself. If there's nothing, > I'm happy to pen a dos-and-donts (which I might do anyway, simply > as a blog entry...) Can yo

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 23.09.2010 11:43, schrieb Tim Golden: > On 23/09/2010 10:38, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> Let me ask a question which I don't think has been asked in this >>> thread: are there guidelines for tracker-trawlers? I'm never sure >>> where to look

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> make sure the issue is assigned to the right person if appropriate -1. We typically don't assign issues to others. > add relevant keywords to make it easier to find in searches -0. Going through old issues just to make sure the keywords are right seems wasteful. > ensure other fields in the t

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>>> add relevant keywords to make it easier to find in searches >> -0. Going through old issues just to make sure the keywords are right >> seems wasteful. >> > > Hard as it may be to believe, we do have (and are trying to cultivate) > people who want to contribute to Python and start by searching

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 23.09.2010 16:33, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:16 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > >> I'd *much* rather edit rst files than futz with a web interface when >> editing docs. The wiki also somehow feels "less official". > > There are dvcs-backed wikis, for example: > > https://lau

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> There's no reason it *has* to be useless though. The Moin developer now has > shell access, so if there are technical problems with wiki, like its theme, > performance, or lack of features, we can get those fixed. If it's the content > or organization that needs improvement, then we can recruit

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I have to agree with Jesse. We have too many wiki pages that are so > out of date they're dangerous. They serve a purpose, and I think we > should have a wiki in addition to the "official" documentation. This > could be aggressively linked from it so people can comment on that > documentation --

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Asking every now and then "is this still an issue", or setting >> the version number, doesn't really advance the issue. > > > Setting Versions properly helps anyone searching for issues relevant to > a particular version. If having a field set properly does not matter, > then is should not be

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to > flag certain parts of the wiki as "official" by making them only > editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, only the triage team, only > the wiki admins). But keeping those user lists up to date is itself > something that re

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 24.09.2010 00:39, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to >>> flag certain parts of the wiki as "official" by making them only >&

Re: [Python-Dev] PyObject_GC_UnTrack() no longer reliable in 2.7?

2010-09-24 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I assume this is unintended because (a) the docs weren't changed to > warn about this; and, (b) it's wrong ;-) It seems Jim is happy with (or has at least accepted) the behavior change. Would you still like to see it fixed (or, rather, have the 2.6 state restored)? I think it would be possible

Re: [Python-Dev] PyObject_GC_UnTrack() no longer reliable in 2.7?

2010-09-24 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 24.09.2010 23:22, schrieb Daniel Stutzbach: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:09 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <mailto:mar...@v.loewis.de>> wrote: > > I think it would be possible to have two versions of > _PyGC_REFS_UNTRACKED, one being, say, -5. > _PyGC_R

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Guess the only way to settle this is look at the code, but I don't >> care enough to bother. =) > > I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit > of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs > at the end of the week than at the start

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login > process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect > that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually > turns more people away than any other registration/login process. So how do you like the Op

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I guess a better example would be > > old: > open #1 #2 > closed #3 > new: > open #1 > closed #2 #3 #4 #5 > > which results in +2 for open (since #4 and #5 were opened) and +3 for closed > (since #2, #4 and #5 were closed), however the total issue delta is +2. This > is why I think th

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>>> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org >>> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, >>> my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing >>> contributors immediately providing instruments to work with Python >>> wiki.

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Also, it's a horrible bug report, if that's what it is. It's not a bug report, and I don't think it was meant to be one. It started with "I wonder if", suggesting that it is really a request for help. What you read as a bug report was labeled "user story", which I think is anatoly's way of sayi

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython > wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not). But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl: > Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": >>> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython >>> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not). >> >&g

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 03:45, schrieb P.J. Eby: > I'm actually a bit surprised people are bringing this up now, since when > I announced the plan to make these changes, I said that nothing would be > changed that would break anything I think people read this as "nothing would be changed, period." However,

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Keywords are generally better than a restricted vocabulary for richness > of content, but worse for finding the appropriate search term. You "pays > yer money and takes yer chance". I think you are unaware what a "roundup keyword" is, here. > But without any smarts being applied to the problem

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> 1) Registering via OpenID is a bit clumsy since there is a "Register" > link that does not mention OpenID. Thanks. Fixed. > 2) The URL registered with the OpenID provider is a bit of a wart: > "http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid_return"; vs. > "http://bitbucket.org/"; You mean, as

Re: [Python-Dev] hg conversion: tags

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> For example, it might be interesting to bring old release > tags in line with newer tags (so Release_1_0 would become r10), or > maybe use clean tags similar to what we do with hg itself (r266 would > become just 2.6.6), or just remove some tags. Is this a good idea at > all, or should we just le

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. > > Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a change to > ha

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I've been talking about redirecting all the time, haven't I? You said "put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own". That seemed to suggest it won't be anymore at wiki.python.org/jython. > * redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin > > * (optionally) redirect from wiki.jython.org to

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> I think people read this as "nothing would be changed, period." > >> However, you did make substantial changes to the specification (or else >> the whole exercise would have been pointless, I suppose, and you >> couldn't have claimed that WSGI is now Python 3-friendly when it >> previously was

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I'm sorry, but all this weasel-wording about how these changes aren't > really changes and how this standard wasn't really a standard make me > very uncomfortable. I'm happy approving Final status for the > *original* PEP 333 and I'm happy to approve a new PEP which includes > PJE's corrections.

Re: [Python-Dev] hg conversion: tags

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> One point is to remove inconsistencies tied to CVS-era restrictions: > the tags which correspond to (define) actual numbered releases have > goofy names due to CVSism ('r266' is a ridiculously hard-to-figure-out > alternative to '2.6.6'). > > Given that nobody will be able to update checkouts in

Re: [Python-Dev] PyObject_GC_UnTrack() no longer reliable in 2.7?

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 12:54, schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Tim Peters wrote: > [MvL] >>> I think it would be possible to have two versions of >>> _PyGC_REFS_UNTRACKED, one being, say, -5. >>> _PyGC_REFS_UNTRACKED_AND_KEEP_IT_THAT_WAY would be what you get >>> when you call PyObj

Re: [Python-Dev] hg conversion: tags

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 20:31, schrieb Terry Reedy: > On 9/26/2010 12:54 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > >> But then, if somebody volunteers to make these changes, I'm -0 to >> the renaming (I slightly prefer calling even future release tags rXYZ). > > Except that r31

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> No, Martin really meant "not possible": once basic auth is started, > the browser prompts for username and password and you are in basic-auth > land thereafter; the web server has *no way* to tell the browser to > *stop* using basic auth. Yes, but Scott proposed that OpenID users might fill in t

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> The PEP still hasn't showed up on Python.org, though, so I'm wondering > if maybe I broke something else somewhere. See http://www.python.org/status/postcommitlog.txt Error processing PEP None (./pep-.txt), excluding: (./pep-.txt): "did not deal with u'Replaces' before having to handle

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 27.09.2010 22:17, schrieb P.J. Eby: > At 12:36 PM 9/27/2010 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: >> All fixed. > > Nope. Indeed. The immediate problem was that genpepindex tried to read pep-, and didn't like it. I worked around that in r85041, so that genpepindex now skips over pep-.txt. Howeve

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Someone with web server access may want to double check the > modification dates of the .txt files relative to the generated .html > files for other PEPs though. make will deal with that just fine. If a PEP was modified, svn up will update the time stamp on the file. When then the rebuild fails,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Because it's not clear to most of us on this thread what the failure > modes and recovery strategies are? I know it's clear as mud to me how > to debug these kinds of issues. As a starting point, look at the postcommitlog. It should contain the commands that got executed, and the error messages

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Well, one of the tradeoffs here is that Informational track allows > something to grow into a solid standard without also having to pass the > same level of up-front scrutiny and commitment that a Standards track > item does. I rather doubt that either the DBAPI *or* WSGI would've > passed that

Re: [Python-Dev] issue2180 and using 'tokenize' with Python 3 'str's

2010-09-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 28.09.2010 05:45, schrieb Steve Holden: > On 9/27/2010 11:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> 2010/9/27 Meador Inge : >>> which, as seen in the trace, is because the 'detect_encoding' function in >>> 'Lib/tokenize.py' searches for 'BOM_UTF8' (a 'bytes' object) in the string >>> to tokenize 'first

Re: [Python-Dev] issue2180 and using 'tokenize' with Python 3 'str's

2010-09-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I certainly wouldn't be opposed to an API that accepts a string as well > though. Notice that this can't really work for Python 2 source code (but of course, it doesn't need to). In Python 2, if you have a string literal in the source code, you need to know the source encoding in order to get t

Re: [Python-Dev] Atlassian and bitbucket merge

2010-09-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Do we expect Mercurial to require more, less, or about the same amount of > babysitting as the current Subversion repository? The ongoing effort is to manage write access; this is not going to change with Mercurial. With a hosted service, you still need someone who gives write permissions to

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> While I would personally love to see Rietveld declared the official > core Python code review tool, I realize that since I wrote as a Google > engineer and it is running on Google infrastructure (App Engine), I > can't be fully objective about the tool choice -- even though it is > open source, h

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> That shouldn't be too hard. Someone just has to create an App Engine > project and handle the deployment. I guess the trickiest part is > making sure enough people have admin access so multiple people can > update the website, especially if we run a modified copy so that > bugs.python.org can pus

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> So perhaps we should just run our own Rietveld instance next to Roundup. > > Would it be possible to sync up the reitveld issue numbers with the > roundup ones if you did that? Most certainly. However, this works fairly well today already. If you put [issue] into the Rietveld subject, it c

Re: [Python-Dev] hg conversion: tags

2010-09-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I don't know how hg manages this, but can't we preserve the tag > information of the tags that you've scheduled to be removed > in some place that can easily be pulled in but doesn't > affect the main repo size ? Most certainly, and this is the plan already: we will keep the subversion repositor

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 30.09.2010 00:12, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:58:05 +0200 > "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> That shouldn't be too hard. Someone just has to create an App Engine >>> project and handle the deployment. I guess the trickiest part is &

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> The hard part is encouraging contributors to find the time and > motivation to thoroughly review code that they aren't personally > interested in (and perhaps not even familiar with). Not sure how well 'tit for tat' schemes work - we *could* require that people don't commit unreviewed changes, a

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 30.09.2010 17:40, schrieb Senthil Kumaran: >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, wrote: >> >> Of course, this is only true if the core developers *do* submit to the >> same >> rules. Is anyone proposing that current core committers have all their >> work reviewed before it is accept

[Python-Dev] Celebrating issue #10000

2010-09-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Amaury just filed issue #1 yesterday; as counting started with 1000, we are now into 9000 roundup issues. I have become quite fond of roundup over the years, and would like to thank Ka-Ping Yee, Richard Jones, and Erik Forsberg for getting us here. There are many contributions to this infrast

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 9807 - a glitch in coexisting builds of different types

2010-10-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>>> With my branch, you'll end up with this in /tmp/python: >>> >>> bin/python3.2m - the normal build binary >>> bin/python3.2dmu - the wide+pydebug build binary >>> bin/python3.2m-config >>> bin/python3.2dmu-config >> >> Do users really want to see such idiosyncratic suffixes? >

[Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Following up to the recent thread, I have now integrated Rietveld into Roundup. This is a rough draft still, and highly experimental. Please try it out, but expect that it may be necessary to discard all data (including comments) to start over (of course, I'll try to avoid having to do so). The Ri

Re: [Python-Dev] sad state of OS X Python testing...

2010-10-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Surely someone could volunteer an old Intel Mac to run some tests? > (Actually, two someones -- we'd need separate machines for Leopard and > Snow Leopard.) I'd be happy to stick it in a server room at PARC and > keep an eye on it. (Right now I've got a rack full of old eMacs and a > G5 running

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pythonmac-SIG] sad state of OS X Python testing...

2010-10-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I'm already running a Jython buildslave on an Intel Mac Pro which is > pretty underused - I'd be happy to run a CPython one there too, if > it'd be worthwhile. I think Bill was specifically after Snow Leopard - what system are you using? Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-10-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 02.10.2010 22:42, schrieb Jesus Cea: > On 30/09/10 22:41, Brett Cannon wrote: >> Don't see why not, but those of us who use OpenID would need to start >> caring about a password which would be unfortunate. > > +1. OpenID or OAuth is a must. > > Moreover, I am a bit worried of needing a google

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> 1) who is the notification e-mail sent to when a review is published? I haven't figured that out yet. I'm not even sure whether email gets sent at all. I'll look into this a week from now, unless someone resolves that earlier. But... > I > just tried on one of my patches and the e-mail came wit

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85152 - tracker/instances/python-dev/config.ini.template

2010-10-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Modified: tracker/instances/python-dev/config.ini.template +[django] +# generate on a per-instance basis +secret_key = 'e...@4s$*(idwm5-87teftxlksckmy8$tyo7(tm!n-5x)zeuheex' I assume the secrecy of this is rather irrelevant? It's only the template. In the instance, you have to replace it with

[Python-Dev] Who wants to donate an AMD64 Linux build slave?

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
We just lost Neal's AMD-64 build slave due to hardware problems. There is another AMD6-64 slave in the pool, however, it runs in a non-standard environment, so it shows test failures at the moment. Would anybody be willing to run a build slave on a machine that you have available? The main requir

Re: [Python-Dev] Who wants to donate an AMD64 Linux build slave?

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I can probably run a build slave on one of my boxes (Gentoo, Athlon 64 x2). Where are the setup docs? http://wiki.python.org/moin/BuildBot Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I feel that, only if a roundup issue has patch, the corresponding rietveld issue be created, it is more helpful there and avoids needless duplication. I have changed that now. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pythonmac-SIG] sad state of OS X Python testing...

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I have a fairly recent MacPro on Snow Leopard, which I keep consistently up to date and its connected all the time. It has more capacity then I can really find use for. If its still needed, I can set up buildbot to run on it today. That would be nice. Is it all pull/poll oriented, or does the

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 05.10.10 20:15, schrieb Alexander Belopolsky: I followed the review link from issue5109 to arrive at http://bugs.python.org/review/5109/patch/179/325 . On the review page I clicked on Modules/arraymodule.c> View for side-by-side diff and got Error fetching None/Modules/arraymodule.c?rev=831

Re: [Python-Dev] stable builders

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 05.10.10 19:07, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:06:40 +0200 "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: I can probably run a build slave on one of my boxes (Gentoo, Athlon 64 x2). Where are the setup docs? http://wiki.python.org/moin/BuildBot By the way, is the distinction betwe

Re: [Python-Dev] stable builders

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
To simplify the task of contacting buildbot operators, would it be worth having a "python-buildbot-owners" mailing list? Depends on the traffic. It might spam those owners who are never the target of any of these messages, because they are "well-behaving". Do you really find it difficult to dete

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-05 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I attempted to fix the branch at http://bugs.python.org/file18220 , but it did not trigger rietveld update. I assume you made "Tracker Branch" editable on purpose, but there should be a way rietveld side to know when this field is changed I think. Please start submitting issues with the Rietv

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 04.10.2010 03:56, schrieb Daniel Stutzbach: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <mailto:mar...@v.loewis.de>> wrote: > > I'll have to come up with a better way to determine the branch > which a patch was created on. > > &g

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> As I said, most patches are supposed to be produced against py3k HEAD, > so you could try just that as the primary heuristic. I think this is impractical. There are tons of patches (the majority) which are in the tracker and *not* against py3k head. So this heuristics will only cover a small min

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 08.10.2010 00:00, schrieb geremy condra: > Seems like python.org has gone down and come back up a couple of times > in the last few minutes, is this intentional? Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually happened. Could it be that the issue is on your end? Regards, Martin _

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> >> Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually happened. Could >> it be that the issue is on your end? > > It's possible, but I was first notified that it was happening by > someone literally 3000 miles away. It seems unlikely that we would > both have had the same problem at the same

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> FWIW, PyPI was inaccessible for some longish period of time this morning. That I can confirm (assuming you are talking about the UTC night). However, it stopped around 5:00 UTC, so it's clearly unrelated to anything that happened reportedly 2 hours ago. Regards, Martin _

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 08.10.2010 09:21, schrieb Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven: > -On [20101008 01:22], "Martin v. Löwis" (mar...@v.loewis.de) wrote: >> True. However, I really cannot see anything on the machines that >> indicates some outage. I'm still unsure what "it"

Re: [Python-Dev] Another relative imports question

2010-10-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 09.10.2010 01:35, schrieb Greg Ewing: > Georg Brandl wrote: >> The explanation is that everything that comes after "import" is >> thereafter >> usable as an identifier (or expression, in the case of dotted names) in >> code. ".mymodule" is not a valid expression, so the question would be >> how

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-ideas] minmax() function returning (minimum, maximum) tuple of a sequence

2010-10-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Any comments? For 3.2, this is out of scope, because of the moratorium. For later versions, I'd rather not see a builtin name polluting the global namespace for this. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-11 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 08.10.2010 17:21, schrieb Michael Foord: > On 08/10/2010 16:07, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Oct 08, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >>> python-setup is a lot like python setup.py >>> pysetup is shorter >>> pyegg is even shorter :-) >> wfm! > > To avoid any potential confusion, wfm

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> So as well as pysetup.py/.exe I would like pysetup-3.2.py / .exe on > Windows please. (I'd really like a python-3.2.exe as well.) Please submit a patch to the installer, then. I'm still skeptical about adding PATH, because a) I find that fairly invasive, and despise long paths myself (it hur

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Assume, for the sake of the argument, that we patched the > MSI so it (optionally) added the installing version of Python > (and, optionally ./scripts) to the PATH. What, then, do we > do with existing PATH entries which point to older/other Python > installations? Option (a) says: clear them > a

[Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I have appointed Antoine Pitrou as the authority/manager for which build slave are considered stable. If you want to get a certain slave elevated or demoted, you have to convince him. I would also like to ask release managers to take the stable list serious: test failures in a stable slave should

Re: [Python-Dev] sad state of OS X Python testing...

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> And, of course, we'd like to get some of these Mac buildbots into the > "stable" category, so that they are consulted for releases. The > PPC Leopard and x86 Snow Leopard buildbots look like good candidates. See the message I just sent: you need to convince Antoine, and he'll arrange it. Regar

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 14.10.2010 00:08, schrieb Stephen Hansen: > On 10/13/10 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> (you'll notice that we have currently no 64-bit Windows machine although >> 64-bit support under Windows has specific issues) > > Provided its not a problem that its a VM, I have a hefty 64-bit Win7 > Prof

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I'll give it a go; I have all the software needed to run the buildbot on > it already besides VC Express, which I'm installing now. If ultimately > it becomes too much of a pain, I'll go back to just providing the mac. > But, I actually have a vested interest in upgrading our Python to 64-bit > i

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> #python-dev thought that VS express was all that was needed; then here, > it seemed to me that Martin said that you needed the full version of VS > or perhaps a complex setup with the SDK compiler; but you seem to be > interpreting Martin that the SDK provides everything and nothing else is > nee

Re: [Python-Dev] A new warning category?

2010-10-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 14.10.2010 11:25, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > > Hello, > > In the http://bugs.python.org/issue10093 discussion, I proposed to add a > specific warning category for unclosed files. The rationale is that > these warnings will happen in destructors and therefore filtering by > line number and filen

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85486 - python/branches/py3k/configure

2010-10-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 14.10.2010 19:57, schrieb Daniel Stutzbach: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:38 PM, barry.warsaw > mailto:python-check...@python.org>> wrote: > > -# Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.65 for python 3.2. > +# Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.67 for python 3.2. > > > Was the change in autoconf versions

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85486 - python/branches/py3k/configure

2010-10-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> I think it was intentional (at least deliberate), but I think it is a >> problem and should be reverted. There is, at any point, the official >> version that Python uses for autoconf, which at the moment is 2.65. >> The rationale is that with changing autoconf versions, the actual >> configure s

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85486 - python/branches/py3k/configure

2010-10-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I don't see it as any more of a problem than upgrading against other > dependencies (like gcc?). Ok, so let's drop the requirement then. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-d

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85486 - python/branches/py3k/configure

2010-10-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Is it possible to pin the autoconf version (not just floor it)? Not that I know of, no. > Should we appoint an autoconf BDFL who can commit changes after configure.in > is changed? Most recently, it was between me and Benjamin most of the time, and that seems to have worked fine. Now Benjami

Re: [Python-Dev] Locked-in defect? 32-bit hash values on 64-bit builds

2010-10-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> ISTM, the use of 64-bit builds is growing in popularity. It was be a bummer > to have a locked-in an effective size limit for dictionaries and sets > because the API only supports 32-bit hash values. If the ABI is frozen with 3.2, it would still be possible to introduce "wide" hashes - it just

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for async read/write

2010-10-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 19.10.2010 19:47, schrieb exar...@twistedmatrix.com: > On 04:50 pm, j...@jcea.es wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Current Python lacks support for "aio_*" syscalls to do async IO. I >> think this could be a nice addition for python 3.3. > > Adding more platform w

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for async read/write

2010-10-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> So, in conclusion, I disagree that adding wrappers for these would be > nice. It wouldn't. It would cause some people to think they would be > useful things to call, and they would always be wrong. We are all consenting adults. If people want to shoot themselves in their feet, we let them. For e

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for async read/write

2010-10-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Also, the canonical way to do file I/O in Python 3 is the `io` lib, > therefore it would be a bit of a shame to have separate, non-integrated > `aio_*` functions. I disagree. We also have posix.open, posix.dup, etc. We always expose POSIX functions in the posix module (except for the socket func

Re: [Python-Dev] python-2.6.6 coredump running newspipe

2010-10-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Any ideas what could cause this or how to fix this? It could be a compiler bug; try disabling optimization. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 release schedule

2010-10-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 22.10.2010 16:09, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: > 2010/10/22 Dirkjan Ochtman : >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 00:57, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >>> In the interest of getting 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 out by next year, here's a >>> tentative release schedule: >>> >>> November 13th - RC1 >>> November 27th - RC2 >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-10-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Issues stats: >> open2494 (+32) >> closed 19460 (+110) >> total 21954 (+56) > > The figures in parentheses look wrong. Last week, the stats said: No: they just mean something different that you think. +32 doesn't mean that there are now 32 more open issues than last week, but that

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing maintenance

2010-10-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Who is doing multiprocessing maintenance these days? I thought Ask > Solem had been given commit privs for that, but I haven't seen any > activity from him; and Jesse is, mostly, absent. Is anyone working on > the multiprocessing issues? > > (no, I'm not planning to address them :-)) You mean:

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing maintenance

2010-10-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Both. Originally the module is/was meant to be officially maintained by > Jesse, as far as I understand. But bugs filed against multiprocessing > have been lingering in the tracker for quite a long time. I personally think we should treat these reports in the same way as all other lingering issu

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 release schedule

2010-10-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 23.10.2010 20:56, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > I will also do any future 2.6 release from svn. It does mean that > patches for those release need to make it into svn. I propose that > only the RM have commit to the svn branches after the switch. This is also my thinking. I would like to see a Mercur

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing maintenance

2010-10-24 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> If you have anything you want me to look at please forward it, > and if you already did then don't be afraid to nag me. Please keep the release schedule in mind. After 3.2b1, no new features can be accepted (until after the 3.2 release). So there might be some urgency for some of the patches. A

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85822 - python/branches/py3k/Modules/ossaudiodev.c

2010-10-24 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Add casts (one needed, one for consistency). FWIW, I feel that these casts are misguided. Having function pointer casts means that type errors in the signature get suppressed. E.g. people using such casts for tp_hash will be unable to detect the change in the tp_hash return type that we have imp

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 10194 - Adding a gc.remap() function

2010-10-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.10.2010 19:24, schrieb Peter Ingebretson: > --- On Tue, 10/26/10, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> Is there any reason that you'd want to do this? >>> http://doublestar.org/python-hot-loading-prototype/ > > I have a relatively large application written in Python, and a > specific use case where

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