Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-11 Thread Richard Boulton
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: -On [20080502 10:50], Steve Holden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Groan. Then everyone else realizes what a "great idea" this is, and we see ~/Perl/, ~/Ruby/, ~/C# (that'll screw the Microsoft users, a directory with a comment market in its name), ~/Lisp/ and th

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-04 Thread Christian Heimes
Jesse Noller schrieb: > One thing that could be done is pick a default name for the parent, > ala ~/Python - but let users override it with an environment variable > if they so desire (PYTHON_USER_DIR?) so that those who want it hidden > can have it hidden, and those of us who don't, don't. Has a

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
I'm withdrawing my opposition in the light of the sheer number of words that have already been written with this. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guido van Rossum schrieb: > > > I like this, except one issue: I really don't like the .local > > directo

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
Phil Thompson wrote: On Friday 02 May 2008, Nick Coghlan wrote: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: -On [20080502 10:50], Steve Holden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Groan. Then everyone else realizes what a "great idea" this is, and we see ~/Perl/, ~/Ruby/, ~/C# (that'll screw the Microsoft user

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080502 14:49], Richard Boulton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >So, on Ubuntu computers at least, it seems likely that a $HOME/.local/ >directory will already exist, with the beginnings of a unix style layout >inside it. On my Ubuntu 8 box: [15:11] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (0) {0} % ls ~/.local sha

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread glyph
On 11:01 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 02 May 2008, Nick Coghlan wrote: This sums up my opinion pretty well. Hidden by default, but easy to expose (e.g. via a local -> .local symlink) for the more experienced users that want it more easily accessible. But you can't be serious about

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Phil Thompson
On Friday 02 May 2008, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > > -On [20080502 10:50], Steve Holden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Groan. Then everyone else realizes what a "great idea" this is, and we > >> see ~/Perl/, ~/Ruby/, ~/C# (that'll screw the Microsoft users, a > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: -On [20080502 10:50], Steve Holden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Groan. Then everyone else realizes what a "great idea" this is, and we see ~/Perl/, ~/Ruby/, ~/C# (that'll screw the Microsoft users, a directory with a comment market in its name), ~/Lisp/ and th

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Christian Heimes
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven schrieb: > "Windows uses the Roaming folder for application specific data, such as > custom dictionaries, which are machine independent and should roam with the > user profile. The AppData\Roaming folder in Windows Vista is the same as the > Documents and Settings\user

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080502 10:50], Steve Holden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Groan. Then everyone else realizes what a "great idea" this is, and we see >~/Perl/, ~/Ruby/, ~/C# (that'll screw the Microsoft users, a directory with >a comment market in its name), ~/Lisp/ and the rest? I don't think people >would

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080502 11:00], Christian Heimes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Windows and Mac OS X have dedicated directories for application specific >libraries. That is ~/Library on Mac and Application Data on Windows. The >latter is i18n-ed and called "Anwendungsdaten" in German. Fortunately >Windows sets

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Christian Heimes
Steve Holden schrieb: > Nothing to say about OS X. > > One day Windows might start to respect the "hidden dot" convention, but > perhaps in the interim we could create a (Windows-hidden) ~/.private/? > Assuming we could work out where to put it ;-) Windows and Mac OS X have dedicated directories

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Steve Holden
Guido van Rossum wrote: I stand corrected on a few points. You've convinced me that ~/lib/ is wrong. But I still don't like ~/.local/; not in the last place because it's not any more local than any other dot files or directories. The "symmetry" with /usr/local/ is pretty weak, and certainly won't

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Christian Heimes
Guido van Rossum schrieb: > I like this, except one issue: I really don't like the .local > directory. I don't see any compelling reason why this needs to be > ~/.local/lib/ -- IMO it should just be ~/lib/. There's no need to hide > it from view, especially since the user is expected to manage this

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080502 07:57], Mark Hammond ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >The best way I can find for the win32 API to tell you this is a combination >of the above and the IsWow64Process() (which returns True if you are a >32bit process on a 64bit platform) Support for IsWow64Process() is quite interesting i

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-02 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080502 08:26], "Martin v. Löwis" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >It seems you don't want to identify whether the Windows installation is >a Win64 one, but whether the Python installation is, right? I think we can say with a reasonably certainty that if the Python installation is 64-bits the OS

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Is there a reliable way to identify 32-bits and 64-bits Windows from within > Python? I have not found any yet, but it might be a mere oversight on my > behalf. > > The reason I ask is that both return win32, which is most likely a reference > to the API, even when having installed the 64 bits P

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Mark Hammond
> Is there a reliable way to identify 32-bits and 64-bits Windows from > within Python? Not that I'm aware of. 'sys.platform=="win32" and "64 bits" in sys.version' will be reliable when it returns True, but it might be wrong when it returns False (although when it returns False, things will loo

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080501 22:27], Barry Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Time is running short to get any new features into Python 2.6 and >3.0. Is there a reliable way to identify 32-bits and 64-bits Windows from within Python? I have not found any yet, but it might be a mere oversight on my behalf. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Christian Heimes
Barry Warsaw schrieb: > This is a reminder that the LAST planned alpha releases of Python 2.6 > and 3.0 are scheduled for next Wednesday, 07-May-2008. Please be > diligent over the next week so that none of your changes break Python. > The stable buildbots look moderately okay, let's see what we

[Python-Dev] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is a reminder that the LAST planned alpha releases of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are scheduled for next Wednesday, 07-May-2008. Please be diligent over the next week so that none of your changes break Python. The stable buildbots look moderately