Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-03 Thread skip
Dj> How about something like Dj> http://andurin.com/python-issue-tracker/issue5863.htm but with Dj> proper click to expand js not css hover expansion since the pure css Dj> solution gets a little jumpy. That's part of it. Note the files list as well: bz2module-v1.diff

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-03 Thread Dj Gilcrease
How about something like http://andurin.com/python-issue-tracker/issue5863.htm but with proper click to expand js not css hover expansion since the pure css solution gets a little jumpy. Dj Gilcrease   ( |     \  o    ()   |  o  |`|   |      |      /`\_/|      | |   ,__   ,_,   ,_,   __,    ,

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-01 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 4/1/2011 9:08 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I envy all of you who only have to learn and use one relatively sensible unit system. Me too. But anyone that calls themselves a programmer should be able to realize that the numbers are proportional and Google happily finds online conversion calcul

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/1/2011 6:44 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 01.04.2011 06:02, schrieb Terry Reedy: would switch. Just forgot here. Multiply everything by 2.4 for cm. Or by 2.54, if you're using SI cm :) Then its a good thing I did the conversions with a dual scale ruler ;-). So the number were accurate. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.04.2011 06:02, schrieb Terry Reedy: > On 3/31/2011 8:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:52:23 -0400 >> Terry Reedy wrote: >>> >>> Here is my proposal for a redesign based on an analysis of my usage ;-). >>> I have a 1600x1050 (or thereabouts), 20" (measured) diagonal, 17"

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 8:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:52:23 -0400 Terry Reedy wrote: Here is my proposal for a redesign based on an analysis of my usage ;-). I have a 1600x1050 (or thereabouts), 20" (measured) diagonal, 17" across screen. The left column has a 7/8" margin, 2 3/8"

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 21:21 -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote: > Antoine> Let's say that by using non-metric units you have already lost > Antoine> me, sorry. > > Wouldn't it be cool if you could feed the text to Google Translator and have > it not only translate the English to bad French, but trans

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 21:18 -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote: > Terry> Even though such is standard for the majority of web fora? > > I participate in a couple different web forums (914s and swimming). Both > present their topics in chronological order and provide a link at the top of > every page whi

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 3/31/2011 5:22 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: Perhaps the most important part is that the comment box goes at the top. As long as it is adjacent to the last comment, that would be fine. (said while tongue removing the last bit of supper from the space outside the teeth)

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Ethan> Are there cases where someone should be posting new comments who Ethan> /hasn't/ read the existing comments? I would hope that new Ethan> comments would come only after reading what has already Ethan> transpired -- in which case one would find the comment box when Ethan

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Antoine> Let's say that by using non-metric units you have already lost Antoine> me, sorry. Wouldn't it be cool if you could feed the text to Google Translator and have it not only translate the English to bad French, but translate the units to metric (hopefully with more accuracy than th

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Terry> Even though such is standard for the majority of web fora? I participate in a couple different web forums (914s and swimming). Both present their topics in chronological order and provide a link at the top of every page which jumps the user to the first unread message (no matter how m

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
>> I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most >> recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds >> to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last >> message(s) is often of a nuisance. Raymond> While that sounds logical,

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ethan Furman writes: > -1 on reverse time sequence of messages -- no top posting! ;) I'd really like this to be a browse-time option, and for bonus points, it should be "sticky". For issues I'm not familiar with, I want to read in more or less chronological order. For issues I *am* familiar w

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Ethan Furman
Raymond Hettinger wrote: On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a n

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:52:23 -0400 Terry Reedy wrote: > > Here is my proposal for a redesign based on an analysis of my usage ;-). > I have a 1600x1050 (or thereabouts), 20" (measured) diagonal, 17" across > screen. > > The left column has a 7/8" margin, 2 3/8" text area, and 1" gutter. > Thes

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:59:36 +0200 "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > What's more, it lacks the most important: the issue title. > > Notice that the issue title was always there, in your browser's title > bar (unless you have a web browser that doesn't display the page title). Sure, but it's far remov

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 7:27 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last mess

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Westley Martínez wrote: > > How 'bout no? YouTube uses this and it's horrid and unnatural, and > bulletin boards have been using chronological order for whiles with > great success. Reverse chronological order has a niche for feeds, > updates, whatever you want to cal

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 16:27 -0700, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > > I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most > > recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. > > Having to now scroll up and down betwe

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2011/3/31 Raymond Hettinger : > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) > comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now > scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) > comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now > scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a > nuisance. While t

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Ethan Furman
Glenn Linderman wrote: On 3/31/2011 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a nuisance

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:59:36 +0200, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?= wrote: > Notice that the issue title was always there, in your browser's title > bar (unless you have a web browser that doesn't display the page title). I do. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 3/31/2011 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a nuisance. +1. Or +0 reverse t

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> What's more, it lacks the most important: the issue title. Notice that the issue title was always there, in your browser's title bar (unless you have a web browser that doesn't display the page title). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Ezio Melotti
Hi, On 31/03/2011 19.52, Terry Reedy wrote: On 3/31/2011 9:59 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 23:48 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in maintaining/imp

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 9:59 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 23:48 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in maintaining/improving the tracker. The challenge is the same

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 23:48 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in > > maintaining/improving the tracker. > > The challenge is the same as with any UI designer involvemen

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in > maintaining/improving the tracker. The challenge is the same as with any UI designer involvement in open source stuff though: they really need to be given the freedo

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:20:03 -0500 s...@pobox.com wrote: > > skip> Please see this thread in the tracker-discuss list: > skip> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tracker-discuss/2011-March/thread.html > > That didn't read right. I meant see that thread to see other discussion > abou

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
skip> Please see this thread in the tracker-discuss list: skip> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tracker-discuss/2011-March/thread.html That didn't read right. I meant see that thread to see other discussion about the folding topic, not that it would necessary convince you all to ch

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Please see this thread in the tracker-discuss list: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tracker-discuss/2011-March/thread.html Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http:

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Fred Drake
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > Yes, there is a good reason why database records are routinely displayed in > labeled and located fields rather than in variable length natural language > sentences with a monochrome font. Form letters, of course, are an exception. Yep. Whil

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:54:41 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > If someone actually considers this a desired feature, after using it, then > > please add a field on the profile page to select autofolding or not. Also, > > there should be a button

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/30/2011 7:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: There's a lot of "noise" but that noise is useful. I find the natural language summary to be much too terse and doesn't make it easy to visualize said information as opposed to the form fields. Yes, there is a good reason why database records are rou

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:54:41 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > The tracker was recently changed so that when I click on a link to a tracker > > page, the page is properly displayed, but then a fraction of a second it > > blinks and redisplays with

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread Simon Cross
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Interesting - it comes straight up with the folded screen for me, no > flickering at all. I didn't get any flicker either and my first impression of the change was also positive -- I usually skip straight to the comments the first time I vis

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > The tracker was recently changed so that when I click on a link to a tracker > page, the page is properly displayed, but then a fraction of a second it > blinks and redisplays with the edit form hidden. This is so obnoxious to me > that I no lo

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > The tracker was recently changed so that when I click on a link to a tracker > page, the page is properly displayed, but then a fraction of a second it > blinks and redisplays with the edit form hidden. This is so obnoxious to me > that I no lo

[Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread Terry Reedy
The tracker was recently changed so that when I click on a link to a tracker page, the page is properly displayed, but then a fraction of a second it blinks and redisplays with the edit form hidden. This is so obnoxious to me that I no longer want to visit the tracker. Then I have to find and c