Re: [SoK] Plasma-mid guidance/mentoring

2009-04-27 Thread Emmanuel Lepage-Vallée
I was the other student. My proposal was rejected too, but I can also work on it anyway (of course, less than if it was accepted). Just send me a mail at elv1313 /-\t gmail.com. My proposal was here if you (Arthur Renato Mello) want to take a look at it http://24.202.16.81:8080/proposal_09.pdf . It

Re: [SoK] Plasma-mid guidance/mentoring

2009-04-23 Thread Marco Martin
On Thursday 23 April 2009, Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz) wrote: > On Thursday 23 April 2009, 11:20 Arthur Renato Mello wrote: > > this year I submitted a proposal to GSoC about developing Plasma-mid. > > Unfortunately my proposal was not selected to this year program. I am > > not sur

Re: [SoK] Plasma-mid guidance/mentoring

2009-04-23 Thread Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz)
On Thursday 23 April 2009, 11:20 Arthur Renato Mello wrote: > this year I submitted a proposal to GSoC about developing Plasma-mid. > Unfortunately my proposal was not selected to this year program. I am > not sure if any Mid proposal was approved, sorry if I was not able to > find it

[SoK] Plasma-mid guidance/mentoring

2009-04-23 Thread Arthur Renato Mello
Hi, this year I submitted a proposal to GSoC about developing Plasma-mid. Unfortunately my proposal was not selected to this year program. I am not sure if any Mid proposal was approved, sorry if I was not able to find it on list. But I still wanna work with it, even if my proposal is not the

Re: [GSoC] plasma-mid proposal

2009-04-01 Thread Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz)
Hi Arthur! (how weird is to write an email to someone with almost the same name! =P) On Wednesday 01 April 2009 17:50:47 Arthur Renato Mello wrote: > http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2009/arthurmell >o/t123861872333 Nice that you sent a proposal =). Just read it and wh

[GSoC] plasma-mid proposal

2009-04-01 Thread Arthur Renato Mello
Hello, sorry the delay, but here is my proposal for plasma-mid: http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2009/arthurmello/t123861872333 Cheers, Arthur Mello ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-24 Thread Riccardo Iaconelli
On Friday 20 February 2009 21:58:53 Marco Martin wrote: > > Ok, let this with me and darktears ;)...We really want this moving > > forward.. > > me will follow near, can't promise, but let's rock :) Yay! +1 :) -Riccardo -- GPG key: 3D0F6376 When encrypting, please encrypt also for this subkey: 9

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-22 Thread Petri Damstén
On Saturday 21 February 2009 18:27:20 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Saturday 21 February 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Saturday 21 February 2009, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > > I'm also interested in plasma-mid as an improved plasmoidviewer, but > > > maybe we

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-21 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday 21 February 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > On Saturday 21 February 2009, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > I'm also interested in plasma-mid as an improved plasmoidviewer, but > > maybe we can have Morpheuz' previewer for plasmate as that? > > i'm really

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-21 Thread Marco Martin
ears ;)...We really want this moving > > forward.. > > If you encounter any issues with applets that would make it running in > plasma- mid a problem, let me know. Of course I'm mainly thinking about > applet such as the battery, networkmanagement, Crystal and of course Lion &

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-21 Thread Sebastian Kügler
who will write > > code for it" and more about "who will poke people with pointy sticks and > > make sure the deep design thinking happens". > > Ok, let this with me and darktears ;)...We really want this moving > forward.. If you encounter any issues with applet

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 20 February 2009, Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz) wrote: > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:45:28 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > what it needs is someone who feels responsible for it and gets upset when > > it isn't moving in the right directions. it's less about "who will write > > code for it" and more a

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday 20 February 2009, Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz) wrote: > On Friday 20 February 2009 13:45:28 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > what it needs is someone who feels responsible for it and gets upset when > > it isn't moving in the right directions. it's less about "who will write > > code for it" and more a

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz)
On Friday 20 February 2009 13:45:28 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > what it needs is someone who feels responsible for it and gets upset when > it isn't moving in the right directions. it's less about "who will write > code for it" and more about "who will poke people with pointy sticks and > make sure the

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday 20 February 2009, Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz) wrote: > In worst scenario we can have some people taking care of plasma-mid (even > if it's not their _main_ baby). I mean, me + marco + sebas? + aaron + > whoever is interested would make it happen.slower than if someone had

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Nuno Pinheiro
> hours a week/month/whatever for now wouldn't be bad, the thing will > progress very very slowly but at least not dead, just a bit undead :p > > > Having plasma-mid, i can see two benefits,having a real alternative to > > the GTK stuff on Maemo...I want to get rid of... I th

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Marco Martin
ive evenjust few hours a week/month/whatever for now wouldn't be bad, the thing will progress very very slowly but at least not dead, just a bit undead :p > Having plasma-mid, i can see two benefits,having a real alternative to the > GTK stuff on Maemo...I want to get rid of... I thi

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Alexis Ménard
>From my side i will be ok to work on it but as i said to Morpheuz i will need help because i am pretty busy. So i need help for the artwork and for patches if they come. Having plasma-mid, i can see two benefits,having a real alternative to the GTK stuff on Maemo...I want to get rid of..

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz)
hi! On Friday 20 February 2009 00:53:28 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > but we ought to turn some guns on plasma-mid as well, but only if we have > them to spare. > > realistically, i'm already maxed out and can't give it the care, attention > and love it will take to make plas

Re: plasma-mid

2009-02-20 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 20 February 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > hi all ... > > there was some discussion on #plasma today about plasma-mid. the short > story is that we got all excited about it at the last akademy and then > subsequently got sidetracked from it when we all focused on making th

plasma-mid

2009-02-19 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
hi all ... there was some discussion on #plasma today about plasma-mid. the short story is that we got all excited about it at the last akademy and then subsequently got sidetracked from it when we all focused on making the traditional desktop rock a little harder. fair enough. but we ought

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Chani
On 8/26/08, Matthias Welwarsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday, 26. August 2008, Chani wrote: > > > On 8/25/08, Benjamin Kleiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Am Montag 25. August 2008 21:54:53 schrieb Matthias Welwarsky: > > > > Am Montag 25 August 2008 17:50 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: >

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Riccardo Iaconelli
On Tuesday 26 August 2008 12:39:26 Marco Martin wrote: > maybe keeping pressed for more than x time like the fake right mouse menu > in some places of maemo? > would only be needed that the menu has items big enough > (there is even already a plasma patch by Marijn that does that) > > Cheers, > Nar

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread pinheiro
A Tuesday 26 August 2008 12:47:59, Marco Martin escreveu: > On Tuesday 26 August 2008, pinheiro wrote: > > A Tuesday 26 August 2008 11:39:26, Marco Martin escreveu: > > > On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Chani wrote: > > > > what about corner actions like in dolphin? or would that suck for > > > > thumbs

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Tuesday, 26. August 2008, Chani wrote: > On 8/25/08, Benjamin Kleiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Am Montag 25. August 2008 21:54:53 schrieb Matthias Welwarsky: > > > Am Montag 25 August 2008 17:50 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > > > these icons will be big, shiny and happy. i'd also like to offe

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Marco Martin
On Tuesday 26 August 2008, pinheiro wrote: > A Tuesday 26 August 2008 11:39:26, Marco Martin escreveu: > > On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Chani wrote: > > > what about corner actions like in dolphin? or would that suck for > > > thumbs? ...ohh. those normally show up on hover, and touchscreens > > > do

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread pinheiro
A Tuesday 26 August 2008 11:39:26, Marco Martin escreveu: > On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Chani wrote: > > what about corner actions like in dolphin? or would that suck for > > thumbs? ...ohh. those normally show up on hover, and touchscreens > > don't really have hover > > aaron,were you suggesti

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Marco Martin
On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Chani wrote: > > what about corner actions like in dolphin? or would that suck for > thumbs? ...ohh. those normally show up on hover, and touchscreens > don't really have hover > aaron,were you suggesting they show up on mousedown and then i can > drag my pointer to o

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Chani
On 8/25/08, Benjamin Kleiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Am Montag 25. August 2008 21:54:53 schrieb Matthias Welwarsky: > > > Am Montag 25 August 2008 17:50 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > > > these icons will be big, shiny and happy. i'd also like to offer a hover > > > > based interface for th

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Riccardo Iaconelli
On Monday 25 August 2008 18:14:14 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > i have some (poorly) hand drawn sketches that i could scan in, but Riccardo > actually had inkscape open and was working on mockups. maybe he can share > that if he still has it; if not, then i'll fire up skanlite =) yes, it needs a little

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-26 Thread Riccardo Iaconelli
On Monday 25 August 2008 19:14:51 Marco Martin wrote: > i think we should also pay attention to make a default layout that would > look usable both for an horizontal screen and a vertical one with > height the display or not, but is still something important i think. If you want to do it well, tha

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz)
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Marco Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think we should also pay attention to make a default layout that would look > usable both for an horizontal screen and a vertical one with height now, i don't know if n810 graphics drivers support rotation of the display o

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz)
t; it comes to the look and feel goals, that could help us make sure that plasma- > mid is on the same page as canola in this regard. is there documentation for > this online anywhere? if not, would it be possible to summarize in a few > bullet points the visual and/or interaction design

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Benjamin Kleiner
Am Montag 25. August 2008 21:54:53 schrieb Matthias Welwarsky: > Am Montag 25 August 2008 17:50 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > these icons will be big, shiny and happy. i'd also like to offer a hover > > based interface for them, so you can press, hold briefly, move, release > > and trigger a non-laun

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
tops these > days. The Eeepc 901 has a 8.9" 1024x600, the MSI Wind U100 is even 10.2". > You can run a regular KDE on it without problems... .. and yet they still want a simplified default interface =) so i think it's useful to continue to consider the application of plasma-m

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
Am Montag 25 August 2008 17:50 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > these icons will be big, shiny and happy. i'd also like to offer a hover > based interface for them, so you can press, hold briefly, move, release and > trigger a non-launch action (such as colour in the "mark as favourite" > star, or maybe t

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
Am Montag 25 August 2008 16:22 schrieb Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz): > Hey! > > 2008/8/24 Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 5. create artwork for all this specific to the devices > > 6. research! > > Just my 2 cents: our experience with n810 shows that end users tend > to like interfaces "thumb-f

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday 25 August 2008, Marco Martin wrote: > On Monday 25 August 2008, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > the two Views is probably easier and cleaner. > > kinda like more the two views thing, and now this is what plasma-mid does in svn. so ... to flesh this puppy out a bit more we

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Marco Martin
On Monday 25 August 2008, Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz) wrote: > Hey! > > 2008/8/24 Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 5. create artwork for all this specific to the devices > > 6. research! > > Just my 2 cents: our experience with n810 shows that end users tend > to like interfaces "thumb-friendly

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday 25 August 2008, Ivan Čukić wrote: > Do anyone think it would be a good idea to start this drafting at techbase, > and to populate it with actual mock-ups? Although I do understand (mostly > :) ) what Aaron said, I think it'd be more obvious with mocks. i have some (poorly) hand drawn ske

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
wn. if you could perhaps share what the goals or requirements are for canola when it comes to the look and feel goals, that could help us make sure that plasma- mid is on the same page as canola in this regard. is there documentation for this online anywhere? if not, would it be possible to summari

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Ivan Čukić
Do anyone think it would be a good idea to start this drafting at techbase, and to populate it with actual mock-ups? Although I do understand (mostly :) ) what Aaron said, I think it'd be more obvious with mocks. BTW, +1 for the thing I understood Aaron wants :) -- Before you talk to me, I sho

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday 25 August 2008, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Monday 25 August 2008, Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz) wrote: > > Hey! > > > > 2008/8/24 Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > 5. create artwork for all this specific to the devices > > > 6. research! > > > > Just my 2 cents: our experience with n81

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz)
Hey! 2008/8/25 Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > right now canola "takes over" the device with it's own info bar, etc, which > shouldn't be necessary with the plasma MID design. it would also be great for > us to conspire^Wcollaborate on art direction so w

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
an easily thumb/fingerable system in a menu unless you make that menu really big (e.g. take up the whole screen =) speaking of such things, i'd really like at some point later down the line look at how we can merge / integrate with canola better. right now canola "takes over" the

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz)
Hi, On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Michael Rudolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > with "thumb-friendly", do you mean finger friendly? All ten fingers, > or really just the two thumbs? Regarding the n810 I would say just the two thumbs...imagine that you hold the device with both hands and use

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Michael Rudolph
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey! > > 2008/8/24 Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 5. create artwork for all this specific to the devices >> 6. research! > > Just my 2 cents: our experience with n810 shows that end users tend > to like in

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz)
Hey! 2008/8/24 Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 5. create artwork for all this specific to the devices > 6. research! Just my 2 cents: our experience with n810 shows that end users tend to like interfaces "thumb-friendly", so it would be great If we could imagine an UI that the user could

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Marco Martin
cher, a widgets area, running application list etc... > > yes... > > > so i was thinking (and half implemented) about a tabbar that switches > > between the available containments that are shown in the main view (heck > > this thing would be nice also in a desktop) >

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Marco Martin
tainments that are shown in the main view (heck > > this thing would be nice also in a desktop) > > a problem i have for that is how to reliably retrieve the main fullscreen > > view and not pick the wrong one, like trying to switch the containment in > > a pan

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread richmoore44
On 8/25/08, Marijn Kruisselbrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apart from the keyboard-open/-close events all the hardware buttons on the > N810 are not 'special' in any way, they just send 'normal' F1,F2,F3,... (not > sure about the exact numbers) and ESC events. So is something special really > ne

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread richmoore44
On 8/25/08, Kevin Ottens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le Monday 25 August 2008, Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : >> * how to integrate with special buttons on these devices? > > FYI, I'm planning to channel this through libsolid. API wise we're close to > have everything we need there, so it's really about

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
a desktop) > a problem i have for that is how to reliably retrieve the main fullscreen > view and not pick the wrong one, like trying to switch the containment in a > panel :) this is obviously easer in plasma-mid as there is only one view and so we can build in some assumptions. in the general

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Ivan Čukić
> the point of this is to allow some of these icons to be hidden/shown on > demand so they aren't always on-screen taking up space. Ok, I misunderstood you then :) -- Before you talk to me, I should warn you: I am kind of strange ___ Plasma-devel mail

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday 25 August 2008, Ivan Čukić wrote: > Hi all, > > > Ivan has worked on a similar concept for a project he is working on; it > > is in playground/plasma/applets/embedded-ivan/titlebar/ .. we should look > > into Ivan's work here. > > I was planning to separate the 'control bar' as you named

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Kevin Ottens
Le Monday 25 August 2008, Marijn Kruisselbrink a écrit : > Apart from the keyboard-open/-close events all the hardware buttons on the > N810 are not 'special' in any way, they just send 'normal' F1,F2,F3,... > (not sure about the exact numbers) and ESC events. So is something special > really neede

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Marijn Kruisselbrink
On Monday 25 August 2008 08:33:31 Kevin Ottens wrote: > Le Monday 25 August 2008, Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > * how to integrate with special buttons on these devices? > > FYI, I'm planning to channel this through libsolid. API wise we're close to > have everything we need there, so it's really ab

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Marco Martin
On Monday 25 August 2008, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > hi all.. > > Control Bar > === > this will contain a title for the current application and buttons for home, > put away and quit. it will also contain on the right hand side the MID > system tray, which actually won't really be a system tray as

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread pinheiro
e/workspace/plasma/shells > directory; in there we now have 4 directories containing 4 different kinds > of shells: desktop, screensaver, plasmoidviewer and mid. > > plasma-mid is essentially a stripped down version of desktop: it only has > one view, the view (MidView) is very simp

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-25 Thread Ivan Čukić
Hi all, > Ivan has worked on a similar concept for a project he is working on; it is > in playground/plasma/applets/embedded-ivan/titlebar/ .. we should look into > Ivan's work here. I was planning to separate the 'control bar' as you named it into multiple parts - i see no reason to force-merge

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-24 Thread Kevin Ottens
Le Monday 25 August 2008, Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > * how to integrate with special buttons on these devices? FYI, I'm planning to channel this through libsolid. API wise we're close to have everything we need there, so it's really about upgrading the internal mechanics to make it work. Once t

Re: plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-24 Thread Marijn Kruisselbrink
On Monday 25 August 2008 03:22:23 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > App Launcher > = > the app launcher needs to be full screen (modulo the control bar). for a > first draft we're going to try a layout with a category listing down the > left and nice large fingerable buttons representing launchable a

plasma-mid (Mobile Internet Device)

2008-08-24 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
all this specific to the devices 6. research! here's some more detail on each: Shell === you may have noticed that there is now a kdebase/workspace/plasma/shells directory; in there we now have 4 directories containing 4 different kinds of shells: desktop, screensaver, plasmoidviewer and mid