Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-13 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, February 12, 2011, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote: > Is this[http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ShellDesign] > enough to start? it definitely covers the topic, yes :) hopefully it will be clear and useful enough; if it isn't, we can add to it. it's a wiki, so if

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-12 Thread Luiz Romário Santana Rios
2011/2/12 Aaron J. Seigo > On Friday, February 11, 2011, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote: > > Well... I see now how it's complex. But what if I removed all this > complex > > interaction from my ideas for a (big) while and just wanted to create a > > more dynamic plasma shell? > > i'd say: don't

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-12 Thread Marco Martin
On Saturday 12 February 2011, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote: > > > About "Sorry for being the bad guy", there's no problem at all. > > > Actually, I want you to show me what's possible and what's not. My > > > intention here is not to make a shell that resembles exactly my > > > mockups, but rat

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-12 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday, February 11, 2011, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote: > Well... I see now how it's complex. But what if I removed all this complex > interaction from my ideas for a (big) while and just wanted to create a > more dynamic plasma shell? i'd say: don't look for permission, just start hacking

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-11 Thread Luiz Romário Santana Rios
2011/2/11 Martin Gräßlin > > - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > > (There's a lot of replies, so I'm going to answer to the topics). > > > > As for the "Windows inside plasmoids is ugly" part, when I said my idea > > was to make applications and plamoids the same thing, I meant it form > > the

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Martin Gräßlin
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > (There's a lot of replies, so I'm going to answer to the topics). > > As for the "Windows inside plasmoids is ugly" part, when I said my idea > was to make applications and plamoids the same thing, I meant it form > the POV of the user. Internally, they woul

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Luiz Romário Santana Rios
(There's a lot of replies, so I'm going to answer to the topics). As for the "Windows inside plasmoids is ugly" part, when I said my idea was to make applications and plamoids the same thing, I meant it form the POV of the user. Internally, they would remain different -- note that, in my mockups,

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 10 February 2011 11:37:55 Ivan Čukić wrote: > > Just an uninformed idea. But couldn't the scripting capabilities of Kwin > > and plasmoidviewer help to at least do a proof of concept? Instead of > > writing a new windows manager from scratch?!? > > I haven't looked at the scripting API

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
> what i see possible of all of this, but not necessarily pretty (nor > efficient;) is having plamoids informed of window geometries and move > themselves accordingly IMO, this would be evil if limited only to plasmoids (honestly, if it was vice versa - windows moving, plasmoids not - it would be

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Marco Martin
On Thursday 10 February 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Hi, > > sorry for starting playing the bad guy first. Your concept is missing an > important factor: Plasma is not a windowing system, but X is the windowing > system and Plasma is just a set of windows in the other windowing system. > With our

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
> Just an uninformed idea. But couldn't the scripting capabilities of Kwin and > plasmoidviewer help to at least do a proof of concept? Instead of writing a > new windows manager from scratch?!? I haven't looked at the scripting API for KWin, so I have no idea how powerful it is. Martin? -- Chee

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Mario Fux
Am Donnerstag 10 Februar 2011, 09.28:55 schrieb Ivan Čukić: Morning > I'm not sure I see this as Martin did. > > The thing I agree with is that this can't be plasma. This would first > and foremost need to be a new window manager, which would load > plasmoids as windows. (so, I agree with the 'h

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-10 Thread Ivan Čukić
I'm not sure I see this as Martin did. The thing I agree with is that this can't be plasma. This would first and foremost need to be a new window manager, which would load plasmoids as windows. (so, I agree with the 'hardly possible' statement - implementing a new WM is not a trivial task, far fro

Re: Custom plasma shell

2011-02-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Hi, sorry for starting playing the bad guy first. Your concept is missing an important factor: Plasma is not a windowing system, but X is the windowing system and Plasma is just a set of windows in the other windowing system. With our current technology stack what your mockups show is in the ar

Custom plasma shell

2011-02-09 Thread Luiz Romário Santana Rios
Hi. I've been thinking about some ideas to create a new kind of plasma shell for some time right now and I want to get this out of my sole head, whether it is feasible, desirable, good or none of these. Mockups[1] will explain better. But, basically, I'm based on the idea that the desktop is invi