Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-30 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 30, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On September 29, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Keep in mind that the > binary is started on demand, so it does not take any memory if you are > not using it (assuming it would automatically stop itself after a

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-30 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 29, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Keep in mind that the binary is started on demand, so it does not take any memory if you are not using it (assuming it would automatically stop itself after a while). >>> Same goes for applets, dataengines...

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 29, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > >> Keep in mind that the > >> binary is started on demand, so it does not take any memory if you are > >> not using it (assuming it would automatically stop itself after a > >> while). > > > > Same goes for applets, dataengines... > > Can an applet u

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hey Aurélien, On Tuesday 29 September 2009 10:52:55 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: > >> I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get > >> together and chat offline. I see some opportu

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Tuesday 29 September 2009 10:34:19 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Sebastian Kügler wrote: > >> Regarding implementing it as a separate applet: I don't think it would > >> have been a good idea because you would have to either add a dumb icon > >> to your panel so that you could run this system, or a

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: >> I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get >> together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in a >> one-on-one via irc, etc. > > Not sure, it sounds li

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Sebastian Kügler wrote: >> Regarding implementing it as a separate applet: I don't think it would >> have been a good idea because you would have to either add a dumb icon >> to your panel so that you could run this system, or add an invisible >> applet (not handy for the user to manipulate). >

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Roderick B. Greening
> On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: > > I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get > > together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in > > a one-on-one via irc, etc. > > Not sure, it sounds like you see personal is

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: > I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get > together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in a > one-on-one via irc, etc. Not sure, it sounds like you see personal issues betwee

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Roderick B. Greening
I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in a one-on-one via irc, etc. I believe we had some great discussions at UDS and Sebastian was awesome at helping provide guidance to Aurelien at the time. H

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday 28 September 2009 15:03:05 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > On Thursday 24 September 2009 09:16:25 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > >> Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > >>> On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > On September 23, 2009, Marco

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On Thursday 24 September 2009 09:16:25 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: >> Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >>> On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: >> every other consideration aside, i feel that it wo

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-25 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Thursday 24 September 2009 09:16:25 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > >> Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > >>> On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- >

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-24 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: >> Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : >>> On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- easier to mantain if the systray patch just consisted in notifications >>

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > > On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > >> every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- > >> easier to mantain if the systray patch just consisted in notifications > >> disabling and provide

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : > On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: >> every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- >> easier to mantain if the systray patch just consisted in notifications >> disabling and provide a totally separate daemon for that kind of >> notifica

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- > easier to mantain if the systray patch just consisted in notifications > disabling and provide a totally separate daemon for that kind of > notifications unless i'm misrememberin

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > before this gets carried forward into a big thread on this list, it has > > been made very clear that Canonical is intent on following through on > > these ideas as they are. it is an insular project without outside > > par

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Marco Martin
> it in a blog post or a Kubuntu review. > > This work provides an implementation of Ayatana notifications for Plasma > (Ayatana is the name of a Canonical project to improve user experience > on Ubuntu and derivatives). Ayatana notifications have the following > characteristics: every

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 23, 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: >> presented as "your initiative" regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana >> notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch >> was either an unfortunate wrong timing coincidence or strictly related.

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 23, 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: >> presented as "your initiative" regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana >> notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch >>  was either an unfortunate wrong timing

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Dario Freddi wrote: > I'd like a bit more clarity. The patch you posted about powerdevil was > presented as "your initiative" regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana > notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch was > either an unfortunate wrong timing coincide

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: > presented as "your initiative" regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana > notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch > was either an unfortunate wrong timing coincidence or strictly related. of course it is strictly r

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am Mittwoch 23 September 2009 18:50:41 schrieb Aurélien Gâteau: > Martin Gräßlin wrote: > >>> Why should a user switch to something else than the KDE notifications? > >>> The dialog is completely missing any information on what the > >>> notifications provide, what's the difference between the two

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Martin Gräßlin wrote: >>> Why should a user switch to something else than the KDE notifications? >>> The dialog is completely missing any information on what the >>> notifications provide, what's the difference between the two and in the >>> end it will come down to the one provides different possi

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am Mittwoch 23 September 2009 18:21:32 schrieb Aurélien Gâteau: > Martin Gräßlin wrote: > >> An important point: While the patch is integrated in Kubuntu, the > >> default behavior is to use KDE notifications. The user can switch to > >> Ayatana notifications through an option of the system tray co

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Dario Freddi
, but I'd just like to have some clarifications on purpose and goals. That said. > > This work provides an implementation of Ayatana notifications for Plasma > (Ayatana is the name of a Canonical project to improve user experience > on Ubuntu and derivatives). Ayatana notificat

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Martin Gräßlin wrote: >> An important point: While the patch is integrated in Kubuntu, the >> default behavior is to use KDE notifications. The user can switch to >> Ayatana notifications through an option of the system tray configuration >> dialog (there are even preview buttons to help the user

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am Mittwoch 23 September 2009 16:48:00 schrieb Aurélien Gâteau: > Hi, > > I would like to present to you some work I have been doing for Canonical > regarding notifications in Plasma. That just saved you from a rant about it on planetkde from my side ;-) I wanted to blog about some things I don't

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Roderick B. Greening
gt; have a different position than Canonical on the subject of notifications. > I decided to write this mail because I believe it is more correct to let > you know about it in a more "personal" way rather than you discovering > it in a blog post or a Kubuntu review. > > This w

Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Canonical on the subject of notifications. I decided to write this mail because I believe it is more correct to let you know about it in a more "personal" way rather than you discovering it in a blog post or a Kubuntu review. This work provides an implementation of Ayatana notifications