s not follow the usual etiquette.
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Looking at this because scoring rules are beginning to behave strangely -
for example "Ignore" rules are beginning to be ignored, and "Watch" rule
disappear when I respond to a watched thread.
My Score file is nearly 200 kB which may or may not be the problem.
Looking at the first few entries o
If you look at Thunderbird Mail & News, it does some things better than
Pan such as collapsible hierarchies. I use almost 1,000 newsgroups so
it'd be helpful if each (sub)category could be collapsible.
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Apparently all posts I send to NNTP newsgroups become 'new'/'unread' in my
own sent box but if I post I've already written/read/revised/reread enough
hours of course I've already read! Can't they only show up 'new'/'unread'
in drafts until sent then save in sent box 'read?' Does anyone else ev
On 9/3/22 4:00 AM, Rhialto wrote:
On Fri 02 Sep 2022 at 19:37:53 -0700, dchme...@gmail.com wrote:
Like for past few years until earlier this year, pan always crashes fast
again (on Slackware64 15+current GNU/Linux).
Pan always says something like this before crashing: (pan:16759):
Gtk-CRITICAL
On 9/6/22 1:26 AM, Duncan wrote:
dchmelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w posted on Sun, 4 Sep 2022 21:43:11 -0700
as excerpted:
On 9/4/22 5:19 AM, Duncan wrote:
dchmelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w posted on Fri, 2 Sep 2022 19:37:53
-0700 as excerpted:
Like for past few years until earlier this year, pan
On 9/8/22 1:00 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 01:25:16 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
[...] But you can get tarballs on this gitlabpage:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan/-/tags
Each version has a button to download source on the right.
For instance:
https
On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 8:57 AM Dominique Dumont wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I happy to announce the release of Pan 0.152 codename "Mariupol"
>
> Pan is a powerful and user-friendly Usenet newsreader for GTK+.
>
> The main points of this release are:
> - Gtk2 is removed from Pan. Only Gtk3 is working.
>
On 7/7/23 11:51 AM, reijo.korho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2023-07-06 at 01:24 -0700, dchme...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/8/22 6:07 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 12:16:10 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
I compiled pan 0.151 but, after starting, quickly got another
On 7/15/23 8:14 PM, Ed Fletcher wrote:
On 7/15/23 18:25, dchme...@gmail.com wrote:
Pan got upgrade to 0.154 on my OS (Slackware64 15+current GNU/Linux)
but once again I'm only seeing the last header of subject, author,
date, bytes. Someone said the first three disappeared because of a
'race c
On 7/19/23 9:31 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday, 6 July 2023 10:24:45 CEST dchme...@gmail.com wrote:
Now I compiled 0.154. I don't know that I'll be able to get a
backtrace. Do I need debugging compiled in, and if so, how do I do that
then get the backtrace?
By default, pan is built w
On 7/27/23 9:57 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 09:40:33 CEST dchme...@gmail.com wrote:
#0 0x76451ae7 in strtoll_l_internal () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#1 0x76444f90 in atoi () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#2 0x00733631 in pan::DataImpl::load_headers(pan::D
After Dominique Dumont's help (deleted ~/.pan2/groups) I got pan 0.154
working again without crashing, but now I can't move anything: headers,
sides of pane, etc. I use some groups with long names and long subject
lines so want to move those... currently the date header takes up more
than half
On 8/27/23 8:22 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday, 24 August 2023 04:07:02 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
After Dominique Dumont's help (deleted ~/.pan2/groups) I got pan 0.154
working again without crashing, but now I can't move anything: headers,
sides of pane, etc.
You can re
On 8/28/23 5:06 AM, Duncan wrote:
David Chmelik posted on Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:43:08 -0700 as excerpted:
On 8/27/23 8:22 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday, 24 August 2023 04:07:02 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
After Dominique Dumont's help (deleted ~/.pan2/groups) I got pan 0.154
wo
On 8/28/23 5:06 AM, Duncan wrote:
David Chmelik posted on Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:43:08 -0700 as excerpted:
On 8/27/23 8:22 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday, 24 August 2023 04:07:02 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
After Dominique Dumont's help (deleted ~/.pan2/groups) I got pan 0.154
wo
On 9/8/23 9:33 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Friday, 8 September 2023 09:33:41 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
That's what I originally did. Is there any way I can debug this in pan
0.154.
You can try that:
GTK_DEBUG=interactive ./pan/gui/pan
I don't understand that; I don't have
On 9/9/23 1:00 AM, David Chmelik wrote:
On 9/8/23 9:33 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Friday, 8 September 2023 09:33:41 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
That's what I originally did. Is there any way I can debug this in pan
0.154.
You can try that:
GTK_DEBUG=interactive ./pan/gui/pan
I
I have Slackware64 15+current pan-0.154-x86_64-1 and lately had to delete
most out of ~/.pan2 because of other bugs. All I still have from there
are server configuration and my ~/.newsrc files (linked to there) and
things are almost working okay lately (except for bugs mentioned
previously lik
On 10/16/23 1:07 AM, Duncan wrote:
David Chmelik posted on Sat, 14 Oct 2023 05:03:28 - (UTC) as
excerpted:
I have Slackware64 15+current pan-0.154-x86_64-1 and lately had to
delete most out of ~/.pan2 because of other bugs. All I still have from
there are server configuration and my
This is a new feature/but issue but I have an older, more important thread
that I haven't received instructions what to try next, which was about I
no longer can move any of the panes.
Every time I select multiple groups I must press the mouse button twice,
if not three or four times. Is it se
On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 23:52:29 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
> Duncan posted on Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:06:32 - (UTC) as excerpted:
>> David Chmelik posted on Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:43:08 -0700 as excerpted:
>>> On 8/27/23 8:22 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
>>>> On Thursday
On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:45:01 +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> On Wednesday, 4 October 2023 03:00:33 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
>> >> GTK_DEBUG=interactive ./pan/gui/pan
>> > I don't understand that; I don't have the source code unarchived or
>> > compiled
I can no longer can view sent articles selecting them just for many
minutes only shows blank message pane (no headers, nothing). Where can I
find these in ~/.pan2 in case I need to review?
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:45:01 +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> On Wednesday, 4 October 2023 03:00:33 CEST David Chmelik wrote:
>> >> GTK_DEBUG=interactive ./pan/gui/pan
>> > I don't understand that; I don't have the source code unarchived or
>> > compiled
On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 11:44:36 +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2 January 2024 08:20:36 CET David Chmelik wrote:
>> Here you go, but I don't think it shows anything I haven't adequately
>> described, just is evidence/proof: http://youtu.be/VfW1V73fzkk .
>
On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 23:05:24 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
> David Chmelik posted on Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:32:10 - (UTC) as
> excerpted:
>
>> Every time I select multiple groups I must press the mouse button
>> twice, if not three or four times. Is it set to only acc
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:10:56 + (UTC), Duncan wrote:
> As to your question, years ago I was the person who asked to bump the
> max cache size from 1 GiB -- I needed 4 GiB at the time and it was
> bumped to 20, which was great.
What size do you recommend if I currently use 1,500+ newsgroups, and
On 3/8/24 5:49 PM, Duncan wrote:
David Chmelik posted on Fri, 8 Mar 2024 05:19:17 - (UTC) as excerpted:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:10:56 + (UTC), Duncan wrote:
As to your question, years ago I was the person who asked to bump the
max cache size from 1 GiB -- I needed 4 GiB at the time and
On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 06:04:21 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
> dchmelik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w posted on Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:44:16 -0800
> as excerpted:
>
>> Lately I could no longer get message headers (on
>> news.eternal-september.org (ES) nor news.gmane.io) (and preferences.xml
>> maybe got corrupted
On Sun, 05 May 2024 18:17:54 +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> [... While investigating compilation warnings, I've learnt that
> StatusIcon are deprecated [1], so I've removed this feature from pan
> [2].
>
> Actually, I could not see any difference in Pan bevahior after this
> removal.
>
> Please
I posted to nntp:alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt in which I had these two
lists (one numbered with two spaces before, and one bulleted with no
spaces before). On each, pan2 removed my newlines and messed up
formatting. When I tried a second time to correct myself, same happened.
I certainly p
t;The difference between
BSD and Linux is that in BSD all the kernels are different and
everything else is the same. In Linux all the kernels are the same and
everything else is different."
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erver, and SVN repository.
Composed and sent via MacOS X.
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Linux API to allow use of unmodified Linux binaries. Portions of Linux
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man once taught me to watch for one of the most effective means
of telling a lie: be the first to make the claim then repeat it over and
over to hammer it home. People believe what they repeatedly hear without
thinking. FSF does this by claiming t
tance. You could have 2 panel launchers, with one just launching pan
normally and the other running the script.
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GNOME/Ubuntu update. Meanwhile, I cannot imagine what the mechanism of
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The other perplexing glitch: I open a terminal and type pan.giga, it launches but then
the process appears to "own" the terminal.
pan.giga &
The ampersand puts it into the background so that you regain control of
the termi
will be whether the Linux
version can handle that. Only way to find out is to try. I don't do
Windows at home, so I cannot do the full test.
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Duncan wrote:
So... you folks having this problem, check which versions of gmime you
have installed,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib$ ls libgmime*
libgmime-2.0.a libgmime-2.0.solibgmime-2.0.so.2.2.21
libgmime-2.0.la libgmime-2.0.so.2
and which versions pan and gnome depend on.
[EMAIL PROT
Christopher Boorman wrote:
David Shochat wrote:
Christopher Boorman wrote:
I've got my thunderbird mail folder and my firefox bookmarks stored
on a
separate drive so that whatever I do in one application when I'm in
Mandriva will be reflected in XP and vice versa. I'm lookin
133, same thing) so that would mean typing the
following at the shell prompt (in the terminal):
cd ~/build/pan-0.133
cd means "change directory". So when you "cd to" a directory, you are
making it your current working directory.
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_
access. So you do not
have write access. Now lets check out your Desktop directory.
cd
ls -ld Desktop
(cd with no additional arguments take you to your home directory).
When I do that I see this:
drwxr-xr-x 2 david rcubed 4096 2008-11-30 14:37 Desktop
The "david rcubed" means it is owne
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/07/2008 David Shochat wrote:
rwxr-xr-x
The first "rwx" means the owner, namely root, has read, write, and
search access.
No, the x does not mean search access, it means execute. Root has
read/write/execute acdcess, root's group (and the rest of the wo
ssociated with the 2
spamcop groups that interest me. The concept of "when posting to
groups on that server" is not well-defined since the same group could
be carried by multiple servers.
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was never pinned down.
I am am one of those with this problem and it does occur in 8.10. I'm
on XFCE now and will not try going back to GNOME until the next
version of Ubuntu comes along.
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> David Shochat
> posted 9b8d5d890902170312p771775f1jf7c00686436f0...@mail.gmail.com,
> excerpted below, on Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:12:02 -0500:
>
>>> As I said, the folks reporting [the threading st
uts things in
/opt/local/bin, so that would be /opt/local/bin/pan. There are ways to
start things up from a menu in the X11 app but I can't remember how to
do that at the moment. Maybe this weekend... It's also possible to
start it up from the standard MacOS "terminal" shell window,
Linux comes with lots of
"terminal" programs, such as gnome-terminal, that all have their own
configuration schemes, so you might want to first decide which
terminal program to run Alpine in. xterm is just one of many
possibilities. Some have menus for fonts. Actually, even xterm does
(ctl-r
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:04:22 -0500, David Shochat wrote:
>
> ... xlsfonts|most gave me
> a humongous list full of details I have no inkling of. xlsfonts|grep
> 9x21bas found nothing; and I didn't see how to use xfontsel.
It
some other way, just use File->Save As...
>> ... That's why I'm
>> thinking you'd be happier with one of the newer terms. -- David
>
> I've been meaning to try a bunch; I even have an icon on a panel
> on one of these machines that gives me a list
#x27;s running. That should show you the command that launched it.
Once you think you know what the name is, try just typing that name at a
shell prompt (i.e., in the terminal, xterm, or whatever). If you have the
right name, a new "terminal" will come up. Once you succeed with that,
you
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:01:56 -0500, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
> David Shochat wrote:
>> You have to figure out the name of the executable. It is probably /not/
>> "Terminal"; that's the package name, although I admit that in my Ubuntu
>> situation, the
This is a test
of mailing through alpine.
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whole point of this little program is to sneak the "alpine -url ",
plus the URL passed by pan, inside the required pair of single quotes
which have to surround the argument of the "-e" when you use Terminal (or
xfce4-terminal in my case).
I put this program in my bin direct
a minimal mailto:
alpine_helper.pl mailto:a...@b
If the script is working properly, a new Terminal window will come up,
with an alpine composition started, pre-addressed to a...@b. Tell us what
happens.
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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Beartooth wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:26:37 +0000, David Shochat wrote:
>
>> Ok, try running the script at the command line with a minimal mailto:
>> alpine_helper.pl mailto:a...@b
>> If the script is working properly, a new Term
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Beartooth wrote:
>
> So I put it back. And that's what I used *with* the mailto, and
> got the expected behavior. It did send it from swva.net to my other
> address, too, btw.
>
Excellent.
> But Pan still doesn't.
Ok, what exactly do you have current
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:47:20 -0500, David Shochat wrote:
>
>>> But Pan still doesn't.
>
>> Ok, what exactly do you have currently in your pan preferences For Mail
>> Reader Custom Command?
&
d always be done as an ordinary
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:35:18 +, apebrigade wrote:
> Hi. I am hoping this is the correct place to raise this problem!
>
> I use PAN to connect to Giganews and use .NZB files to locate the files.
> PAN seems to be working correctly and downloading all of rar files
> correctly. My problem come
On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:11 PM, David Shochat wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:35:18 +, apebrigade wrote:
Hi. I am hoping this is the correct place to raise this problem!
I use PAN to connect to Giganews and use .NZB files to locate the
files.
PAN seems to be working correctly and
about
which and what bloat of various Linux distributions has been installed.
And its especially not safe to assume Linux.
Linux-free since 1995! (since 0.99pl13)
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acOS X. Yet I still supplement with Terminal.app on Mac.
You know that one can mount a .iso file by double-clicking in MacOS X?
Clearly the solution to mounting .iso files is for everyone to run
MacOS X.
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percentage of the CPU and sometimes a lot of memory, and in bad cases, it
has gone on for hours. I'm running Ubuntu 8.10, by the way.
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< gnome-power-manager
So, any ideas as to which of those might be responsible? Notice there is
nothing in the list named fam, gamin, or beagle.
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keypress event. Anyway, I really think there's hope now that someone will
come up with a full explanation.
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posting profile's server doesn't carry newsgroup
> "alt.appalachian".
It looks to me like giganews DOES carry that group. Are you sure that the
posting profile you have associated with alt.appalachian names
news.giganews.com for "post articles via"?
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Pan from writing to the
> .newsrc file.
>
> G
...or worse, such as a problem accessing your ~/.pan2 directory itself. I
think I saw the same thing once in a situation where my ~/.pan2 was a
symlink to a directory on a remote filesystem that either was not really
there or had the wrong o
up the posting profile, you establish the server you want to use to
post, and also what E-mail address, signature, and a few other items you
want to use in those posts. I think the designer (Charles) would say that
a given group /could have/ come from more than on
gt; actually prevent Pan 1.0 from finally, finally coming out...?
I want a "DWIM" button for "Do What I Meant (not what I said)". :-)
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> gives an example of how to do it.
But SSH does not know anything about SSL. SSH with port forwarding
involves tunneling some other protocol in an SSH connection (no SSL
involved). From what I see from the Stunnel web site (I have no
experience with it),
may have the wrong version. Do I need to start over?
I'm sure there must be some git command that will switch me to that
branch, but I'm totally new to git (this is the first time I have ever
used it), so it will require some study.
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ot, Walt.
>
> Attached is a screenshot from alt.binaries.pictures.wallpapers so you
> can try it.
>
> I'm copying this to the pan-users list too.
I went to abpw and found the post in question. It displayed very nicely
in my build of pan (from K. Haley's git repository).
Hi,
I'm moving back from Windows to a Mac platform; yes, I can run a VM, but I
would prefer to run Pan natively. I SO like the simplicity, and utility, of
Pan's interface. All that I am finding is a dated version on Fink, nor the
latest so-called "beta" I have used for Windows.
Many TIA,
LCD
Oh
Be kind to me, I'm new here.
I'm trying to install Pan but the package manager seems to get hung up
with the message "Waiting for apt-get to exit". Nothing else happens.
What's up with that and ho do I get past it?
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Be kind to me, I'm new here.
I'm trying to install Pan but the package manager seems to get hung up
with the message "Waiting for apt-get to exit". Nothing else happens.
What's up with that and ho do I get past it?
hile. Once I put in my new password for it in pan, I was able to read
alt.coffee; before that it had said that I had "invalid credentials".
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And this was text! I sometimes think of that as I watch my streaming
Netflix movie.
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I give up. How do I search through the big list of newsgroups for
something specific? "energy", say?
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On 01/22/2011 03:12 PM, John Lindsay wrote:
David Hatunen wrote:
I give up. How do I search through the big list of newsgroups for
something specific? "energy", say?
Under the top bar (file -- edit -- view etc) I have another 'bar with
icons rather than text. I have two bl
on the Mac without
having to make any code changes. And of course it also built happily on
Ubuntu 10.10 (32 bit).
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have the X server that comes with MacOS X (X11 app) installed, to run pan.
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On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:18 PM, mattman^ wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Would it be possible to post the .dmg of this or is it specific to
> your mac since it was built on it? Would love to put Pan on my
> macbook.
>
See my previous follow-up:
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html
make install (no make-check).
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heir basic accounts charging extra or not offering news at all. If news
clients all start being pigs in sucking bandwidth then more will drop and the
only options will be paid news servers who will charge for the extra resource
35 (Mac Snow Leopard/MacPorts).
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No problem reading all 5 using 0.135 on Ubuntu 11.04. Can you try a
different server?
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Graham Lawrence wrote:
>
> google gives no access to the Subject line when Replying,
Use the "Edit Subject" link just to the right of "Add Cc" and "Add Bcc".
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e default configure
options, the prefix will be /usr/local, so the executable will end up
in /usr/local/bin, whereas the one from MacPorts will be in
/opt/local/bin. The two do not interfere with each other so you can
run whichever one you want. But the current MacPorts version is 0.135.
oss two computers, both are new installs of Ubuntu.
> Thanks, and Best Regards -
> Scott Pettigrew
>
Yes, I upgraded to 11.10 and I'm seeing that too (with pan 0.133).
However, with 0.135, the problem does not occur.
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oken where one leads into the next, then into the
next for a train of thought. This reply becomes a scene in a play where Ron
said, then Duncan said, then David said ...
Top-posted replies are a nightmare to unravel. For starters one of the better
rules for effective communication is to keep your
nk we're a bunch of kooks and will continue to
> top-post no matter how much we lecture them, because that's how Outlook and
> web mail works.
Yes, its easy to walk on water when the lake is only 1/2" deep.
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David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net
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On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:06 PM, thufir wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:08:27 -0500, David Kelly wrote:
>
>> Outlook is a disease where properly formatted replies are almost
>> impossible to create.
>
> I start to see evil MS conspiracies, except that I cannot fathom what
ho blindly resends this text agrees to pay David
$20." Then point it out after it has been resent a dozen times.
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David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net
Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
ook wants desperately to post in RTF/HTML, which only compounds the
difficulty of effectively editing comments in the middle of reply quotes.
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David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net
Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
hich prompted them
to have something to say. Let the other person say it their way without having
to paraphrase it so the reader knows where you are jumping in.
--
David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net
Whom computers would destroy, they must
quot;DSDD drives and a 10 Meg 8" HDD.
>
Mine was a Z-80 with only 1 8" floppy drive and no HD. But it did have a
full 64K (at the time I had no idea how I would ever really need that
much RAM).
-- David
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