[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Beartooth
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:04:20 +, Matej Cepl wrote: [snipperoo] > c) don't plan Great Changes at all anyway; I think that unfortunately > whole idea of newsgroups got much less popular lately and people seem to > prefer such idiotical places for communication as web-fora, facebooks > an

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Beartooth
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:27:12 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > I've gotten my git account refreshed at gnome.org and have started > committing changes for 0.134. :) Best news in ages! Strength to your arm! [snipperoo : technicalia over my head] [snipperee] > Another model,

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Petr Kovar
Hi! Duncan, Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:09:40 + (UTC): > Jeff Berman posted on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:33:44 -0700 as excerpted: > > > Hey, didn't someone put together a documentation wiki of sorts for Pan? > > Seems that would be the place to put it. And if Pan's "About" window > > linked to the wiki,

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Matej Cepl
Jeff Berman, Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:45:16 -0700: > I'm surprised there hasn't been more uptake by others in fixing bugs and > adding features. In my mind Pan is the best newsreader out there. I > wonder what news reader all the Linux-using C++ developers are using > (and contributing to)? slrn? ema

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Jim Henderson
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:59:13 +, Duncan wrote: > I know I'm late to the party, it's already done and everyone's gone > home, so to speak, but a couple thoughts, anyway... Same here - it does strike me that the new 0.13x series is a complete rewrite, let's not completely rewrite pan again in a

Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread walt
On 09/29/2009 03:59 AM, Duncan wrote: Steven D'Aprano posted on Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:11:01 +1000 as excerpted: Separation of the back-end from the front-end is a perfectly sensible idea. It's only the use of Java as the default front-end which I object to. 2) (More in general.) Now I /did/

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Duncan
Jeff Berman posted on Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:33:44 -0700 as excerpted: > Hey, didn't someone put together a documentation wiki of sorts for Pan? > Seems that would be the place to put it. And if Pan's "About" window > linked to the wiki, that would be nice. Yes, I strongly agree and in fact was jus

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Duncan
Steven D'Aprano posted on Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:11:01 +1000 as excerpted: > Separation of the back-end from the front-end is a perfectly sensible > idea. It's only the use of Java as the default front-end which I object > to. I know I'm late to the party, it's already done and everyone's gone home,

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-29 Thread Matej Cepl
walt, Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:45:50 -0700: > So -- why not implement the pan GUI in java and let each platform deal > with the optimized c++ part in its own way (already done)? Because it is insane ... show me one nice Java GUI program which isn't an insane memory hog. Do you remember those days whe

Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-28 Thread Charles Kerr
On 09/28/2009 08:41 PM, walt wrote: On 09/28/2009 05:39 PM, Charles Kerr wrote: On 09/28/2009 06:45 PM, walt wrote: So -- why not implement the pan GUI in java and let each platform deal with the optimized c++ part in its own way (already done)? All other factors aside, I think any Big Under

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-28 Thread walt
On 09/28/2009 05:39 PM, Charles Kerr wrote: On 09/28/2009 06:45 PM, walt wrote: So -- why not implement the pan GUI in java and let each platform deal with the optimized c++ part in its own way (already done)? All other factors aside, I think any Big Undertaking in Pan is a risky move at this

Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-28 Thread Charles Kerr
On 09/28/2009 06:45 PM, walt wrote: So -- why not implement the pan GUI in java and let each platform deal with the optimized c++ part in its own way (already done)? All other factors aside, I think any Big Undertaking in Pan is a risky move at this point... and rewriting the GUI in Java is a

Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-28 Thread Wayne E. Nail
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 10:11 +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:45:50 am walt wrote: > > The 'infrastructure' I keep referring to has to do only with the > > GUI interface of pan. The critical parts that you (Charles) have > > spent so much effort in optimizing for speed and mem

Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:45:50 am walt wrote: > The 'infrastructure' I keep referring to has to do only with the > GUI interface of pan.  The critical parts that you (Charles) have > spent so much effort in optimizing for speed and memory use, are > all in c++, am I right? > > So -- why not implement

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-28 Thread walt
On 09/28/2009 04:25 PM, walt wrote: Replying to myself, with an idea that struck me mere milliseconds after hitting the 'send' button, as usual: Another poster made a similar observation about recruiting the OS X crowd to help out -- to which I would add the talented folk in the kde camp. But h

[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond

2009-09-28 Thread Jim Henderson
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:36:58 -0700, walt wrote: > On 09/28/2009 01:27 PM, Charles Kerr wrote: >> I've gotten my git account refreshed at gnome.org and have started >> committing changes for 0.134. :) > > Wow, cheers, and welcome back! I do believe even Duncan was beginning > to despair of seeing