On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 15:31:37 - (UTC), Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth via Pan-users posted on Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:36:30 - (UTC)
> as excerpted:
>
>> I'm tweaking two new (to me) PCs -- a job I haven't done in years.
>> Both are running Fedora 41 Mate. I've g
t & caboodle off the old PC onto the new ones?
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to tell it to get anything out of my email, supposing it
did get through.
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ng Pan, which I check a couple times a day. But I now find
rpm -q pan pan-0.149-4.fc38.x86_64
I asked why on the Fedora list, where I'm assured that the Fedora
versions, if they exist, haven't been arriving. Porting anything to
Fedora, if that's the term, is way beyo
gotchas?
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dit Preferences and scrolled clear down; to the
left of Watch thread on all three, the box contains nothing visible.
How do I fix this??
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try to launch Pan I get a spinner, which stops after a minute, and then
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On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 11:07:15 -0700, Zan Lynx wrote:
> Pressing 'q' should toggle suppressing quotes on and off. Each time you
> press it the setting will change.
Oho! Pan is even better than I already thought. Many thanks!
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that
I recall what the newer text is answering.)
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:01:21 +, Dave wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 16:46:23 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>
>> I keep Pan subscribed to two sorts of groups: ones that I check daily,
>> and others that I seldom do.
>>
>> I would like to do in the group list some
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 16:02:40 -0800, John Wendel wrote:
> Beartooth! Just seeing that name brings back great memories of great
> times on Usenet.
Which group(s)? Alt.Appalachian, perhaps? Your name is
familiar ...
Btw, the address I post from is real, and I check it two or
Pan's subscriptions somehow?
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On Mon, 28 May 2018 13:51:32 +0200, Petr Kovar wrote:
[...]
> The update is on the way:
>
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/pan-0.145-1.fc28
>
> Let us know if that doesn't fix your problem.
Hooray! Bravo! Blessed be the developers!!
Today's dnf upgrade of Fedora
On 05/28/2018 07:51 AM, Petr Kovar wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2018 12:11:27 -0400
Beartooth wrote:
[]
Followups set to gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general
Pan on F28, which I update at least once daily, still crashes instead
of launching.
The update is on the way
Pan is always on the first list of things I make sure I have after any
new install, but on F28 it tries and crashes. (I'm running Mate, in case
that matters.
Clue, please?
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:25:51 +, Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:02:35 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>
>> I found "mute quoted text" in the preferences, and removed whatever was
>> in the box. I closed and re-opened Pan two or three times.
>> Pan went merrily
I found "mute quoted text" in the preferences, and removed
whatever was in the box. I closed and re-opened Pan two or three times.
Pan went merrily on muting it.
What do I do to get all text in each article?
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Pan gives me "> [quoted text muted]" every chance it gets. I
don't want that.
I went to Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts, and found "Mute quoted
text" with a q in the box to its left. Deleting that didn't work, even
after closing & re-opening Pan.
I don't see anything u
On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:25:10 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:57:16 + as excerpted:
>
>> I have my email set not to display html messages. Can I do that with
>> Pan? How?
>
> Short non-technical answer:
>
> Not simply. But
I have my email set not to display html messages. Can I do that
with Pan? How?
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 02:06:30 +, Duncan wrote:
> Joe Zeff posted on Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:02:34 -0700 as excerpted:
>
>> On 08/21/2016 10:19 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>>> Is there no way to turn it off once and for all?
>>
>> Make sure it's turned off, the
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 02:29:00 +, Duncan wrote:
> Pan's main window... as opposed to the compose article window, or the
> tasks monitor window, or the log window, or the pan preferences or
> server settings dialog windows...
>
> And that main pan window should be in focus -- the one your keyboa
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:45:53 +, Duncan wrote:
>> Do you mean in the shortcuts?
>>
>> The default is 'q'.
I don't understand "in the shortcuts" -- what shortcuts?
> ... and the function is a toggle, so with muting on and default keyboard
> accelerators in place, hitting 'q' once wit
I found "mute quoted text" in the Preferences -- and the box
before it is empty. I want Pan to stop muting. What do I type in?
I can think of scads of possibilities to try; but surely someone
here knows offhand.
Clue, please!
listowner who couldn't be bothered, once long ago and far away.) And
do my drafts automatically get preserved somewhere? Istr also that at one
time they didn't, alas!
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raft Icon Button was staring
> right at me.
Are yours actually labeled by default?? Or is there perchance an
option somewhere to make labels the default? That button is of course
staring at me, too; I just didn't think to look there. I'll set the
labels, if I can, lest I fo
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:55:23 +, Duncan wrote:
> George Czerw posted on Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:24:40 -0500 as excerpted:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 06:47:26 PM Beartooth wrote:
>>> My apologies in advance: this one has got to be a FAQ. Having started
>>> a
My apologies in advance: this one has got to be a FAQ. Having
started a post, then saved it as a draft, how in the blinking blue blazes
do I get back to it and take up where I left off??
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://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=pan&system=dag
>
> You can plug in your arch as appropriate and do an even more limited
> search.
Like a charm. Many, many thanks!
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ere using Pan in CentOS, please tell what
release and from where.
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There seems not to be an rpm for CentOS in the canonical places,
including EPEL. I'm hoping there might be one for Fedora, say, that
someone uses and finds not conducive to dependency hell. Is there such of
a beast?
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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 11:51:02 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:53:36 + as excerpted:
>
>> On another list, I have concluded that a certain poster (call him P) is
>> posting unmitigated trollery to a thread I value (and have told Pan to
>&g
mount to a declaration of
inability, even though I am asking it to score an author this time.
Is Pan confused, or am I?
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On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 04:46:39 +, Duncan wrote:
[]
>>> If you're willing to go with something earlier than pan-0.139 in
>>> ordered to get more directly RHEL/CentOS compatible packages, I see
>>> 0.135, 0.134 and 0.133 listed, DAG packages for Red Hat Linux el6,
>>> which should be ce
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 04:50:41 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:32:55 + as excerpted:
>
>> I've just installed 6.4 on an old T30 ThinkPad, and I'm in the midst of
>> setting it up. Can I get an rpm of Pan somewhere? []
&g
I've just installed 6.4 on an old T30 ThinkPad, and I'm
in the midst of setting it up. Can I get an rpm of Pan somewhere? I don't
see it on epel (if I've got that installed properly; it's been a long
time ...), nor on pan.rebelbase.com.
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On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:39:32 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Sun, 01 Sep 2013 16:09:29 + as excerpted:
[]
>> What am I doing wrong? Do I need to log out and back in? Reboot?
>> Or what??
>
> Restarting pan should be enough, if it was a scorefile pr
Message-ID: webtv
What happened was to score *all* posts to -. I went back in
haste, deleted the subfolder, and restarted Pan.
Alas, the mismarked posts are still as before.
What am I doing wrong? Do I need to log out and back in? Reboot?
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:46:33 +, Bob wrote:
[]
> Gahd, he must be lazy..
Or perhaps have a withered arm?
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:18:13 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 04/21/2013 06:15 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>> Fedora 7
>
> Please tell me that's a typo!
It is indeed. Sorry I didn't catch it. Should be 17.
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My .pan2 is running close to 400 MB, and I'm sure most of it is
an aged accretion of cruft; I'd like to edit it down to somewhere between
a tenth and a quarter of that. Is there an easy way, that will do no harm?
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oring CPU, but both have also been seeming slow in
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once and for all, to wrap lines
after some reasonable length? I can keep hitting w, but it would be nice
not to have to ...
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My Event Log keeps geting messages like these :
Mon Nov 26 12:07:56 2012 - Unable to save "/home/X/.pan2/newsrc-4"
Mon Nov 26 12:07:56 2012 - Unable to save "/home/X/.pan2/newsrc-4"
Permission denied
The machine it happens on, currently running CentOS6, is one
which g
On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:53:27 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:53:46 + as excerpted:
>
>> The Usenet Improvement Project offers a filter for Pan
>>
>> [*]
>> Score:: =- Message-ID: googlegroups Message-ID: webtv
>>
>
The Usenet Improvement Project offers a filter for Pan
[*]
Score:: =-
Message-ID: googlegroups
Message-ID: webtv
but it doesn't say where to put it. I don't see a canonical-looking place
it go??
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The hurrier I go, the behi
ink I've even seen 0.135; so maybe the problem snuck
back somehow??
> And if that's the problem, thanks. You'd be the first to report it here
> anyway, and knowing that a bad version shipped with a distro helps if we
> get any further reports of the problem.
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ed various scores, but no errors.
If I look at the task list, and tell it to go online, it gives me
error 481, whatever that is.
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:04:53 -0800, Jeff Berman wrote:
>>From: Beartooth To:
>>pan-users@nongnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January
>>31, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Can I format displays?
>>
>>Is there a way to tell Pan I want it to wrap lines of text in what I
&
ere is one small fly in this ointment. Often a whole paragraph
will display as a single very long line. I can deal with -- id est,
change -- that a couple of ways in email. Is there a way to tell Pan I
want it to wrap lines of text in what I read, as it does when I write?
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:17:25 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:58:17 + as excerpted:
>> Uurrr! I spoke too soon. Even from servers like news.grc.com
>> and news.opera.no I get the miserable giganews whine. Should Pan really
>> be goi
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:42:59 +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:00:33 +, Duncan wrote:
>
>> Those paths are almost certainly to be found in what is now
>> /home/bttth/.pan2/servers.xml (but was previously btth...)
>>
>> That's an xml-based
hould be fine if you simply search and replace for
> btth, adding the extra "t" to make it bttth, and make no other changes.
That got most of it, thanks! I think I messed up my Giganews
userid; but Gmane seems to be working again, and that's the main thing.
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rticles for
"alt.autos.toyota.trucks" in 0.0 seconds (135379 per second)
[... and so on, ad nauseam]
I've changed btth to bttth everywhere I can find in Pan, but it's
still doing it. Where is the instance I have to change??
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My posting profiles all require an email address. Can it a/o
should it be a munged one -- say with space-paren-at-paren-space instead
of @?
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eree]
There's a thread there about wanting a new newsreader, containing
forty posts, dating from Tuesday to today.
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:06:25 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:06:07 + as excerpted:
[]
>> What will the effect be on how Pan works, who adopts or emulates it, or
>> whatever? (If Pan Triumphant will emulate the horseshoe nail by maki
efault browser. There's a lot it won't do,
by design; but it's fast, and it usually gives you enough of a look to
decide if you want to paste a URL into some other browser. Maybe Pan
could default to using Dillo, and give the user an option to install it
if need be, or to change t
the groups
themselves. We might want to try to optimize Pan, not for usenet in
general, but for the relatively few groups of groups.
Am I making sense?
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enthusiastically for whichever one does it.
So will a lot of the Baby Boomers now entering retirement, unless
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IF!
Absent-mindedness increases with age.), the one I have is from pbone. Is
there one for 0.135 somewhere? Commands like 'make' are beyond any savvy
I have to recover from if anything were to go wrong.
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:55:41 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted on Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:22:48 + as excerpted:
>
>> I'm running Scientific Linux 6 on one machine, and getting this :
>>
>> package gmime-2.5.3-1.el6.rf.i686 (which is newer than
>> gm
.so.2 is needed by pan-1:0.134-1.el6.rf.i686
[root@Hbsk btth]#
What can I do??
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hatever. And I don't see what most of the (doubtless highly
practical) elements you can score by are good for.
I recall talk of a FAQ, and there is a thread from 2007, but no
link from the Pan home page to a manual
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able to tell a given group's preferences to watch
all of the treads I start, or all I participate in??
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ssage for
0x4a00023 (Video -- W); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck.
Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for
0x183 (y...@); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck.
What goeth on here??
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the trouble of crafting it all over
again. I did not, unfortunately, interrupt the job and save it as a draft
at any point.
Would pan-0.133-4.fc12.i686 by any happy chance have kept a copy
on my machine anywhere? (I have it set to use gedit.)
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s nor any replies show up.
I don't see anything on gmane.discuss that looks relevant, afaict.
What could be wrong??
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Trying to plonk an author, I clicked on "isn't" and must, I
suppose, have chosen the wrong "isn't" -- so that now all authors *but*
the obnoxious one are ignored. Anyway, the group shows only the one
author I don't want.
Where and
et by big providers (including Verizon and Comcast, iirc) for utterly
non-technical reasons.
But one big bright spot (I hope and think) is very familiar to
many here : Gmane. There are a bunch of lists I can't do without, and
wouldn't be able to benefit from, were it not for Pa
t Pan still has some life left in it.
Again there is a case that looks, at least to me, to be parallel
-- the history of the browser Dillo. And again, some here may have far
more detailed grasp of it than I.
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:49:58 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-08-10 13:15, Beartooth wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:46:30 -0700, Travis wrote:
>>
>>> - Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beartooth"
>>> To: Sent: Monday,
>>>
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:46:30 -0700, Travis wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Beartooth"
> To: Sent: Monday,
> August 10, 2009 09:38 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Anybody getting
> va.forsale??
>
>
>
>> I haven't seen a single post on va.f
I haven't seen a single post on va.forsale in months. Just now I
tried telling my newsreader to get all headers; it churned very briefly
-- and got nothing.
Could this be some bad setting in Pan??
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I
nread
> status.
You can always open your post, right click, and tell it "Watch
Thread."
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va.forsale shows as having 255 threads, but when I click on it,
the whole header panel is blank white. What could be wrong?
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getting silly,
> so it's /definitely/ not the time to go trying to fix it now!
Been there, done that; go have a good stiff drink and a nice
dinner, and then sit down to a good novel -- maybe a Maigret ...
I trust you'll post here if/when you get any result. I
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rella.org, commonly
called motzarella (note spelling) has been mentioned here several times
recently.
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It may be my imagination, but in recent weeks (ever since I
signed up with motzarella) I seem to be getting a lot more error reports
in the events log; and when I look, most if not all are from Motzarella.
Does this mean what I suspect?
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I'm not at all sure I understand -- but I have a case I think
relevant.
I have accounts at motzarella (free) and at giganews (charges
money). When I post to a group that both carry, isn't it precisely my
choice of server that determines whether i get charged for it??
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cautions saying the server didn't carry the group, and having to deal
with them piecemeal. It turned out almost all were set to Gmane, for some
reason.
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it and found people here who knew things; but until that arose, I had
gone on happily using Pan for years, in blissful ignorance of one whole
complexity.
Therefore I hope, when he next gets to Pan again, Charles will
exercise his talent in setting defaults, and trust it when in doubt.
-
ne.linux.ubuntu.user. One of Pan's greatest benefits is enabling you
to surf big lists like that ubuntu one (or, much more often in my case,
the fedora one) instead of having to plow through digests or index lists
(if they even run Listserv and have the latter).
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ider that I had did its news by subcontract, so that I was using
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:18:17 +, Duncan wrote:
> David Shochat posted
> gs8e2p$a3...@ger.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 16 Apr 2009
> 23:13:29 +:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:06:46 +, Beartooth wrote:
>>
>>> I signed up for an individual gigan
"alt.appalachian".
If the group name is correct, switch profiles in the "From:"
line or edit the profile with "Edit|Manage Posting Profiles".
If I then tell that to post anyway, I get
441 No valid newsgroups in "alt.appalachian"
Oho! And also Aha! I have now, to the ones that don't seem to
have died (such as the newusers one; what is, or was, nocems?); many
thanks!
Also, I see by your next post that you have managed to make the
webgibberish stop; please add my heartfelt thanks to Duncan's.
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:08:20 -0400, George Czerw wrote:
> On Friday 27 March 2009 11:56:12 Beartooth wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:46:45 -0700, Alan Meyer wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> > It sure looks like Motzarella dropped the group. Pan has cached the
>&
he
> list.
Nope. Rec.guns, rec.hunting, va.forsale, and va.general are all
still there.
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:38:50 +, Beartooth wrote:
[...]
> Any bets I'm doing something the nice people at motzarella hadn't
> thought of?
I just tried to post to rec.guns, asking the location of the FAQ
-- there used to be a routine message with its locat
So I have twenty
more copies, all in a row, of that error. And I'm pretty sure rec.guns
doesn't tolerate binaries; I've certainly never seen any there.
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:32:51 +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:16:23 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
>
>> On 03/26/2009 Beartooth wrote:
>>> Maybe I don't know what a binary is. All I ever normally do is
>>> read text. I avoid images,
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:16:23 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/26/2009 Beartooth wrote:
>> Maybe I don't know what a binary is. All I ever normally do is
>> read text. I avoid images, especially moving images, and sound.
>
> Binaries are non-text files, such as
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:16:51 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted
> pan.2009.03.25.17.24...@comcast.net,
> excerpted below, on Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:24:16 +:
>> Using motzarella, I've been getting quite a few posts unreadable
>> because, Pan says, they&#x
mplete post
on one (higher priority) server, and a complete one on another (lower
priority) one, will it find and grab the complete one?
--
Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert
Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:23:16 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted
> pan.2009.03.22.18.12...@comcast.net,
> excerpted below, on Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:12:34 +:
[...]
> Sounds like you no longer have authorization to use that server -- or at
> least the swva server is
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:39:41 +, Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth posted
> pan.2009.03.22.20.37...@comcast.net,
> excerpted below, on Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:37:17 +:
>
>>> Went there, did that -- three or four times, alas! (I forgot
>> about Gmane emailing me, beca
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