On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 05:05:41PM -0500, Rob Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 3:56 PM Jonathan Gray wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 03:46:35PM +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 13.1.2019 9.44, Jonathan Gray wrote:
> > > ...> As we can not depend on python to build
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 3:56 PM Jonathan Gray wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 03:46:35PM +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 13.1.2019 9.44, Jonathan Gray wrote:
> > ...> As we can not depend on python to build Mesa in OpenBSD I will have to
> > > go back to maintaining a local Mesa
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 03:46:35PM +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 13.1.2019 9.44, Jonathan Gray wrote:
> ...> As we can not depend on python to build Mesa in OpenBSD I will have to
> > go back to maintaining a local Mesa build system if autotools is removed.
>
> Mesa already needs pytho
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:11 PM Matt Turner wrote:
>
> From: Gert Wollny
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> NAKed-by: Ilia Mirkin
> Acked-by: Eric Engestrom
> Ack
On Saturday, 2019-01-12 13:24:38 -0500, Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 9:40 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
> > I will not push it with
> > the strong NAK you gave, Ilia. To me consensus means that all who
> > contribute significantly to the project (like you certainly do) agree
> > or abstain
Hi,
On 13.1.2019 9.44, Jonathan Gray wrote:
...> As we can not depend on python to build Mesa in OpenBSD I will have to
go back to maintaining a local Mesa build system if autotools is removed.
Mesa already needs python-mako (for code generation) with Autotools.
Why Meson also needing Python i
On 12/01/2019 18:24, Ilia Mirkin wrote:
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 9:40 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
I will not push it with
the strong NAK you gave, Ilia. To me consensus means that all who
contribute significantly to the project (like you certainly do) agree
or abstain, but don't object.
A single acto
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 02:11:28PM -0800, Matt Turner wrote:
> From: Gert Wollny
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> NAKed-by: Ilia Mirkin
> Acked-by: Eric Engestr
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 9:40 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
> I will not push it with
> the strong NAK you gave, Ilia. To me consensus means that all who
> contribute significantly to the project (like you certainly do) agree
> or abstain, but don't object.
A single actor should not prevent a group from a
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 4:03 AM Jose Fonseca wrote:
> On 11/01/2019 22:38, Matt Turner wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:28 PM Ilia Mirkin
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Gert Wollny
> >>>
> >>> Since Meson will eventually be the only
> On Jan 12, 2019, at 8:07 AM, Roland Scheidegger wrote:
>
>> Am 11.01.19 um 23:28 schrieb Ilia Mirkin:
>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Gert Wollny
>>>
>>> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
>>> now. It can still be u
Am 11.01.19 um 23:28 schrieb Ilia Mirkin:
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
>>
>> From: Gert Wollny
>>
>> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
>> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
>> --enable-autotools
>>
>> NAKe
Am Freitag, den 11.01.2019, 17:28 -0500 schrieb Ilia Mirkin:
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner
> wrote:
> >
> [sorry Gert, not sure how to classify you]
>
> I think the vmware team (which largely maintains llvmpipe and svga)
> is probably worth hearing from -- I believe they've large
On 11/01/2019 22:38, Matt Turner wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:28 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
From: Gert Wollny
Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the
Quoting Ilia Mirkin (2019-01-11 14:43:26)
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:38 PM Matt Turner wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:28 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Gert Wollny
> > > >
> > > > Since Meson will eventually
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:28 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
> >
> > From: Gert Wollny
> >
> > Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> > now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> > --enable-au
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:38 PM Matt Turner wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:28 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Gert Wollny
> > >
> > > Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> > > now. It c
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:28 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
> >
> > From: Gert Wollny
> >
> > Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> > now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> > --enable-au
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM Matt Turner wrote:
>
> From: Gert Wollny
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> NAKed-by: Ilia Mirkin
[nouveau]
> Acked-by: Eric Enge
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:17 PM Jason Ekstrand wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:11 PM Matt Turner wrote:
>>
>> From: Gert Wollny
>>
>> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
>> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
>> --enable-autot
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:11 PM Matt Turner wrote:
> From: Gert Wollny
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> NAKed-by: Ilia Mirkin
> Acked-by: Eric Engestrom
> Acke
From: Gert Wollny
Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
--enable-autotools
NAKed-by: Ilia Mirkin
Acked-by: Eric Engestrom
Acked-by: Kenneth Graunke
Acked-by: Lionel Landwerlin
Acked-by: Jason E
Gert Wollny writes:
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
Reviewed-by: Eric Anholt
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Am So., 16. Dez. 2018 um 12:24 Uhr schrieb Gert Wollny :
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
Reviewed-by: Christian Gmeiner
> ---
> IMO
Acked-by: Marek Olšák
Marek
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
> ---
> IMO autotools
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:41 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:36 AM Stuart Young wrote:
> > Yes, but at the moment we have no consensus and a deadlock on the issue.
>
> Consensus need not be unanimous. We have consensus.
>
> Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
> Reviewed-by: Matt Turner
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:37 AM Lionel Landwerlin
wrote:
>
> On 19/12/2018 17:19, Kenneth Graunke wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:10:49 AM PST Eric Engestrom wrote:
> >> The point of this patch is for people to not be able to ignore this, and
> >> have to become aware of the existenc
On 19/12/2018 17:19, Kenneth Graunke wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:10:49 AM PST Eric Engestrom wrote:
The point of this patch is for people to not be able to ignore this, and
have to become aware of the existence of Meson and our intention to
remove autotools, whenever this may happen
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:36 AM Stuart Young wrote:
> Yes, but at the moment we have no consensus and a deadlock on the issue.
Consensus need not be unanimous. We have consensus.
Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
Reviewed-by: Matt Turner
Acked-by: Eric Engestrom
Acked-by: Kenneth Graunke
and I wou
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:37 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
>
> Hello Stuart,
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 20.12.2018, 13:40 +1100 schrieb Stuart Young:
> > Gert/Ilia,
> >
> > Could this be reduced this from an error to a warning, with the
> > command-line option suppressing the warning?
> >
> > Perhaps as well
Hello Stuart,
Am Donnerstag, den 20.12.2018, 13:40 +1100 schrieb Stuart Young:
> Gert/Ilia,
>
> Could this be reduced this from an error to a warning, with the
> command-line option suppressing the warning?
>
> Perhaps as well as producing the warning, the build could sleep for
> say 30 seconds
Sorry. Copy-paste decided to send a msg rather than paste into it.
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 17:36, Stuart Young wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 04:18, Eero Tamminen
> wrote:
>
>> On 20.12.2018 4.40, Stuart Young wrote:
>> > Could this be reduced this from an error to a warning, with the
>> > comm
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 04:18, Eero Tamminen
wrote:
> On 20.12.2018 4.40, Stuart Young wrote:
> > Could this be reduced this from an error to a warning, with the
> > command-line option suppressing the warning?
> >
> > Perhaps as well as producing the warning, the build could sleep for say
> > 30
Hi,
On 20.12.2018 4.40, Stuart Young wrote:
Could this be reduced this from an error to a warning, with the
command-line option suppressing the warning?
Perhaps as well as producing the warning, the build could sleep for say
30 seconds after producing the warning message. This would be notice
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:50 PM Jason Ekstrand wrote:
> What do you suggest to solve this communication issue? If autotools survives
> another release, so be it. However, I want to get us out of the vicious
> cycle of long e-mail threads and endless debates and on to a model where
> Dylan is
Gert/Ilia,
Could this be reduced this from an error to a warning, with the
command-line option suppressing the warning?
Perhaps as well as producing the warning, the build could sleep for say 30
seconds after producing the warning message. This would be noticeable if
you're building it yourself (
Am Mittwoch, den 19.12.2018, 12:19 -0500 schrieb Ilia Mirkin:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny
> wrote:
> >
> > Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate
> > autotools
> > now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> > --enable-autotools
> >
FWIW, with all the feedback I've given, I think autotools is not better
than meson. The issues that I reported won't make me switch back to
autotools.
Marek
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 12:45 PM Jason Ekstrand On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:32 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:03 AM Ja
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:32 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:03 AM Jason Ekstrand
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:32 AM Ilia Mirkin
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM Matt Turner
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:06 AM Ilia Mirkin
On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:10:49 AM PST Eric Engestrom wrote:
> The point of this patch is for people to not be able to ignore this, and
> have to become aware of the existence of Meson and our intention to
> remove autotools, whenever this may happen.
>
> Some people have already noticed,
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
In case it's not clear from the later discussion:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:15 PM Matt Turner wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:06 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> > > We're simply trying to get the feedback from users sooner. And the
> > > cost to you is very small: Use an extra flag. It's not a burden.
> >
> > Before the community is happy? Premat
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:06 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> > We're simply trying to get the feedback from users sooner. And the
> > cost to you is very small: Use an extra flag. It's not a burden.
>
> Before the community is happy? Premature. The way you build consensus
> for a new thing is not by shoo
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> Regardless of all of that, what you're suggesting is only marking
> autotools as deprecated (i.e., this patch) after all known problems
> with the Meson build are fixed. At that point in 3 months down the
> line if we get another bug report fro
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:03 AM Jason Ekstrand wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:32 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM Matt Turner wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:06 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:01 AM Matt Turner wrote:
On Wednesday, 2018-12-19 10:32:44 -0500, Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:06 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:01 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> > > > WTF would you have us do?
> > >
> > > Same thing as
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:32 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:06 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:01 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> > > > WTF would you have us do?
> > >
> > > Same thing as for a
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:32 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:06 AM Ilia Mirkin
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:01 AM Matt Turner
> wrote:
> > > > WTF would you have us do?
> > >
> > > Same thing as for
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM Matt Turner wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:06 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:01 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> > > WTF would you have us do?
> >
> > Same thing as for any change with an impact this wide --
> >
> > 1. Identify stakeholders.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:06 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:01 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> > WTF would you have us do?
>
> Same thing as for any change with an impact this wide --
>
> 1. Identify stakeholders. In this case, probably the sub-project
> maintainers, major contributo
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:01 AM Matt Turner wrote:
> WTF would you have us do?
Same thing as for any change with an impact this wide --
1. Identify stakeholders. In this case, probably the sub-project
maintainers, major contributors, and a smattering of distro
maintainers.
2. Make them happy, or
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:53 PM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Gert Wollny wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ilia,
> >
> > Am Sonntag, den 16.12.2018, 12:40 -0500 schrieb Ilia Mirkin:
> > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since Meson will eventual
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Gert Wollny wrote:
>
> Hi Ilia,
>
> Am Sonntag, den 16.12.2018, 12:40 -0500 schrieb Ilia Mirkin:
> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate
> > > autotools
> > > now. It can
Hi Ilia,
Am Sonntag, den 16.12.2018, 12:40 -0500 schrieb Ilia Mirkin:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny
> wrote:
> >
> > Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate
> > autotools
> > now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> > --enable-auto
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 11:40 AM Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
> >
> > Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> > now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> > --enable-autotools
> >
> > Signed-off-
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
> ---
> IMO autotools should be properly deprecated
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gert Wollny wrote:
>
> Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
> now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
> --enable-autotools
>
> Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
> ---
> IMO autotools should be properly deprecated
Since Meson will eventually be the only build system deprecate autotools
now. It can still be used by invoking configure with the flag
--enable-autotools
Signed-off-by: Gert Wollny
---
IMO autotools should be properly deprecated prior it its removal, so here
is a patch to do just that. I think
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