Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

At 10:23 AM +0900 11/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The second is that for a bounded cost[1], you can implement signed mail. For dozens of years, we've been telling people that once they have enough RAM and fast enough disk drives, the single biggest bottleneck in scaling up large mail syst

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

At 11:49 AM -0600 11/10/06, Patrick Bogen wrote: >> So the end of greylisting as a useful tool is approaching (I'm surprised it >> has survived this long). > > I understand this point. I think that greylisting should persist, in > any case, since, if nothing else, it doubles the work a spammer

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

At 9:40 AM -0800 11/10/06, Dragon wrote: > True, and there will always be an arms race between spammers and > those of us who run servers to try to protect ourselves from unwanted junk. Yup. > But certain approaches are still quite effective and we should still > be utilizing them when appro

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

At 8:59 AM -0800 11/10/06, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > I'm not sure how this fails a reality test. Are any anti-spam measures > in place currently? If you're going to run a list where people talk about spam, and use real-world examples, then you can't do spam filtering on that list -- tools like Sp

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

At 11:45 AM -0500 11/10/06, Charles Gregory wrote: > The point *I* got was, even if you successfully filter with every 'safe' > method of spam filtering we can imagine, roughly 5-10% of spam will end up > reaching mailman, and when mailman sends its 'routine' message back to > 'sender', it is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation on a current mail system

At 5:14 PM -0700 11/10/06, Eric Michaels wrote: > Will installing Mailman interfere with any of the operations of the current > system? We still want the system to handle the mail sent to those designated > domains, and I was going to set up the Mailman domains (it handles two) in > Sendmail a

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

At 9:07 AM -0800 11/10/06, Dragon wrote: > This begs the question, why can you NOT afford to filter some lists? You must not recognize the name. Gadi is not quite as well known in the security field as Bruce Schneier, but he's close. I recognize the name, and I understand the pain that Gadi

Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting "pending for approval" from commandline

At 9:32 AM -0800 11/10/06, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I updated FAQ 4.74 to use bin/discard instead of rm and to explain why. And I updated it to do an explicit "-print" with the find command, since not all versions of the find command will automatically do a "-print". -- Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

Patrick Bogen writes: > Personally, I'd like to see hashcash become widespread, but I guess > that'd be hell for a mailing list. As I understand it, hashcash is just a totally unprofitable use of cycles, which is bearable for personal mail, but substantially increases the burden on mass mail.

[Mailman-Users] Installation on a current mail system

Just want confirmation before moving forward. We ran a test setup Redhat 8/Sendmail and Mailman is working great. Now I have to repeat the setup on a current linux box that handles our mail scrubbing. So I would like to install Mailman on a production sendmail box that we scrub emails with Spam

Re: [Mailman-Users] Banning members

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Martin Dennett wrote: > On a totally different tack, is there any list available for future > "wants" for the software? I have a couple of things that I think may be > useful, and would like to know if there's anyway I can make them known? Actually, we are all thankful for m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Requests (was: Banning members)

Martin Dennett wrote: > >On a totally different tack, is there any list available for future >"wants" for the software? I have a couple of things that I think may be >useful, and would like to know if there's anyway I can make them known? Feature requests can be submitted to the tracker at

Re: [Mailman-Users] Banning members

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Martin Dennett wrote: > > >> I'm aware of the Mailman syntax for banning domains, but I'd like to ban >> members now whose email address *starts* with a given string! I've had a >> lot of requests lately from "debora" to join my list, always followed by >> something else

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unhide and list users...

David Boothe wrote: >I have a list where all the subscriber address are marked hide. I'd like to >fetch a subscriber list that I can save as a text file locally if possible. I >believe that if I can mass unhide the subscribers and then send a request of >some sorts to the list then it will se

[Mailman-Users] Unhide and list users...

I have a list where all the subscriber address are marked hide. I'd like to fetch a subscriber list that I can save as a text file locally if possible. I believe that if I can mass unhide the subscribers and then send a request of some sorts to the list then it will send me the subscribers in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Banning members

Martin Dennett wrote: >I'm aware of the Mailman syntax for banning domains, but I'd like to ban >members now whose email address *starts* with a given string! I've had a >lot of requests lately from "debora" to join my list, always followed by >something else before the "@" and at various domai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error 550

Lopez, Carlos Andres wrote: > >...Does anyone know why i'm getting this error when i'm trying to send >and email to a mailing list? > >Nov 10 12:35:04 2006 (31798) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >failed with code 550: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address >rejected: User unknown in local recipient

Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman GUI

Darryl Cook wrote: > >Suddenly I am having >problems with the gui interface. Everything runs fine for lists >that are already created but the problem comes when trying to add a >new list. I can add the list through the command line fine but if I >use the gui it just comes back to the same page wit

Re: [Mailman-Users] message fails to appear in archives

Lori Houston wrote: > >> Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> >>> Are other lists on this server archiving properly? >>> >>> >> Don't know the answer to this ... This is on a server controlled by >> the cPanel host. How would I check? Well, if you had any other lists on this server, you could look at their

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't send messages to list

Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > >Please not the smtlib.py is the one given to me and smtlib.py.1 is the >original one causing the problem. >I posted the whole file to debian bug report also. Your diff and the smtplib.py (the file you refer to above as smtplib.py.1) you posted to the bug report confirm

[Mailman-Users] Banning members

I'm aware of the Mailman syntax for banning domains, but I'd like to ban members now whose email address *starts* with a given string! I've had a lot of requests lately from "debora" to join my list, always followed by something else before the "@" and at various domains. I tried following the

Re: [Mailman-Users] message fails to appear in archives

> Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Lori Houston wrote: >> >>> My question: a few days ago I posted the first message to the list I set >>> up and it does not appear in the archives. I have verified that people >>> on the list received it, however. Why doesn't the message appear in the >>> archive? >>>

[Mailman-Users] problem with mailman GUI

Im running mailman version 2.1.8 on Redhat ES v4.   I have had it running successfully for over 2 years now.   Suddenly I am having problems with the gui interface.   Everything runs fine for lists that are already created but the problem comes when trying to add a new list.  I can add the lis

[Mailman-Users] Error 550

I'm a newbie...in Linux and mailman too ...Does anyone know why i'm getting this error when i'm trying to send and email to a mailing list? Nov 10 12:35:04 2006 (31798) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code 550: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local r

Re: [Mailman-Users] message fails to appear in archives

BTW, I did search the mailman FAQ before posting this question ... Lori Houston wrote: > I'm a non-developer with some mailman admin experience, although I've > never set up a new list until recently. > > My question: a few days ago I posted the first message to the list I set > up and it does n

Re: [Mailman-Users] message fails to appear in archives

Lori Houston wrote: > >My question: a few days ago I posted the first message to the list I set >up and it does not appear in the archives. I have verified that people >on the list received it, however. Why doesn't the message appear in the >archive? > >FYI, this is a cPanel hosted list, so I do

[Mailman-Users] FW: connection refused by lists.

Aha. I thought as much. And indeed, the sender uses an AOL account. Thanks, everyone, for the tips! Gretchen -Original Message- From: John W. Baxter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:17 PM To: Mailman Users Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] connection refused by li

[Mailman-Users] message fails to appear in archives

I'm a non-developer with some mailman admin experience, although I've never set up a new list until recently. My question: a few days ago I posted the first message to the list I set up and it does not appear in the archives. I have verified that people on the list received it, however. Why doe

Re: [Mailman-Users] connection refused by lists.

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Gretchen at Ladyweave.com | 269-369-1114 wrote: > > A message to one of our lists didn't go through. Does the error message > indicate a problem at the server or is it within the program? The list seems > to be working fine now. Thanks for any advice you can give. > >-

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4

Eric Walker wrote: >no one got any ideas? 7 hours and a bit is a rather short time to wait before pinging the list for no response. >So when I set up list say [EMAIL PROTECTED], how do I send mail to everyone >who is a member of the test list? I believe I answered this in my reply

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4

On 11/10/06, Eric Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am running Debian as I said before so these directions don't apply. No > disrespect but I am using this list because I have called myself reading > many documents about install of mailman and exim4 on debian and I am at wits > ends Do you

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

On 11/10/06, John W. Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So the end of greylisting as a useful tool is approaching (I'm surprised it > has survived this long). I understand this point. I think that greylisting should persist, in any case, since, if nothing else, it doubles the work a spammer has t

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

John W. Baxter sent the message below at 09:25 11/10/2006: >On 11/10/06 9:07 AM, "Dragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You really should use the power of MTA filtering, it will save you a > > lot of frustration. At the very least, use gray-listing because the > > vast majority of spam simply wo

Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting "pending for approval" from commandline

Patrick Bogen wrote: > >I've added FAQ 4.74 > >to answer this. If someone else can look it over for me and >double-check that what I've put is accurate (and the best phrasing, >etc.), I'd be appreciative. I updated FAQ 4.74 to

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

On 11/10/06 9:07 AM, "Dragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You really should use the power of MTA filtering, it will save you a > lot of frustration. At the very least, use gray-listing because the > vast majority of spam simply won't be resent when a deferral response > is sent from your MTA to t

Re: [Mailman-Users] connection refused by lists.

On 11/10/06 7:26 AM, "Patrick Bogen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/10/06, Gretchen at Ladyweave.com | 269-369-1114 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A message to one of our lists didn't go through. Does the error message >> indicate a problem at the server or is it within the program? The list

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Dragon wrote: > Gadi Evron wrote: > > >I cannot afford to spam filter some mailing lists. That's my problem. > >With those I do, a lot still comes through and I am pretty good at it. > > > >Sending the messages back is causing a lot of problem, and should be > >considered agai

Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting "pending for approval" from command line

On 11/10/06, Carl Zwanzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a coupla notes- > The formatting comes out a bit wonky, ie > $ cd ~mailman/data $ rm heldmsg--* > is one line. Fixed. > I'm a more of fan of piping find output to xargs instead of using -exec. > find heldmsg -name '*' | xargs

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

Gadi Evron wrote: >I cannot afford to spam filter some mailing lists. That's my problem. >With those I do, a lot still comes through and I am pretty good at it. > >Sending the messages back is causing a lot of problem, and should be >considered again if it should remain ON by default.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for these features

mumtaz wrote: > >1. The way I can create new lists using mailman, can I establish a grouping of >lists as well? For example set of list for employees of my company and set of >list for customers of my company? Eventually I want to customize the UI, so >that employees can view only their lists an

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > I'm not sure how this fails a reality test. Are any anti-spam measures > in place currently? If not, mailman is certainly not the place to > start. That place is the incoming mail MTA. (If you run your own servers, > installing spamassassin shoundn't ta

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Gadi Evron wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patrick Bogen wrote: > > Bearing that in mind, you shouldn't be using moderation as a > > first-line anti-spam defense. Your MTA should be tagging emails as > > spam (e.g., using Spamassassin, or something better suited to

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patrick Bogen wrote: > > Bouncing back a message which tells a user his original message is held > > for moderation is now a bad idea if we want to stay out of the black list > > of spamcop Gadi. > I'm not entirely sure what the point of this message was. The point *I

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Patrick Bogen wrote: > I'm not entirely sure what the point of this message was. > > Bearing that in mind, you shouldn't be using moderation as a > first-line anti-spam defense. Your MTA should be tagging emails as > spam (e.g., using Spamassassin, or something better suited t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Debian+Mailman+postfix Error with SMTP

On 11/9/06, Lopez, Carlos Andres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nov 09 21:28:33 2006 (9361) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with > code -1: (-3, > > 'Temporary failure in name resolution') Which log file is this from, exactly? Is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" the actual address, or have you edited the l

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4

On 11/9/06, Eric Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, > I am back. I am able to send a message out of exim4 from the command line > through my > webhosts smtp servers. (godaddy). Now I need to install mailman and get them > to play > together. Well it says the basic install should work right o

Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

On 11/10/06, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not specific to mailman, but I had a lot of trouble with it. I am > sure I am not the only one, so I figured I'll share. > > In recent months the problem of moderation, especially with large lists, > has become even more significant. > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting "pending for approval" from command line

On 11/10/06, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Gerardo Herzig wrote: > > resources issue, not shure). The thing is: Can i delete those pending > > messages from command line? Can i delete or blank a simple file? (its ok > > if i delete ALL the pending messages) > > I have

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't send messages to list

On 11/8/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > > > >I put the original smtplib.py file back in /varlib/python.3/smtplib.py > >and i get the same problem again. > > > >Nov 08 16:41:31 2006 (13973) Low level smtp error: [Errno 9] Bad file > >descriptor, msgid: > ><[EMA

Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List / Moderation

On 11/10/06, Todd Seeleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still not clear on the umbrella list function. What I'm trying to > do is have a number of sub-lists (different faculty status) to which > email to the super-list (all-faculty comprising all of the sub-list > names) will distribut

Re: [Mailman-Users] connection refused by lists.

On 11/10/06, Gretchen at Ladyweave.com | 269-369-1114 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A message to one of our lists didn't go through. Does the error message > indicate a problem at the server or is it within the program? The list seems > to be working fine now. Thanks for any advice you can give. > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] connection refused by lists.

Greetings! I'm a newbie, a user, not a programmer -- and I have a question. A message to one of our lists didn't go through. Does the error message indicate a problem at the server or is it within the program? The list seems to be working fine now. Thanks for any advice you can give. Gretchen Oh

[Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Re: Umbrella List / Moderation]

Sorry. Mailman Version 2.1.9 Greetings, I'm still not clear on the umbrella list function. What I'm trying to do is have a number of sub-lists (different faculty status) to which email to the super-list (all-faculty comprising all of the sub-list names) will distribute. I'd like to

Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting "pending for approval" from command line

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Gerardo Herzig wrote: > Hi all. I have a user who does not check "pending for approvals" so > long, and now the mailman web interface trows an error (an timeout or > resources issue, not shure). The thing is: Can i delete those pending > messages from command line? Can i del

[Mailman-Users] deleting "pending for approval" from command line

Hi all. I have a user who does not check "pending for approvals" so long, and now the mailman web interface trows an error (an timeout or resources issue, not shure). The thing is: Can i delete those pending messages from command line? Can i delete or blank a simple file? (its ok if i delete AL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List / Moderation

Greetings, I'm still not clear on the umbrella list function. What I'm trying to do is have a number of sub-lists (different faculty status) to which email to the super-list (all-faculty comprising all of the sub-list names) will distribute. I'd like to allow all sub-list members to

[Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation

[x-posted to an anti-spam list] Hi. This is not specific to mailman, but I had a lot of trouble with it. I am sure I am not the only one, so I figured I'll share. In recent months the problem of moderation, especially with large lists, has become even more significant. The amounts of spam which