Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Till Oliver Knoll
Am 18.04.2012 um 20:01 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras : > On 18/04/12 20:19, Till Oliver Knoll wrote: >> >> ... it is impractical to develop bug fixes (features maybe) in the >> commercial version [...] and /not/ merging them back into the "main stream" >> (open source). >> >> ... and yes, with a

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Andre Somers
Op 19-4-2012 2:59, Nikos Chantziaras schreef: > That is totally irrelevant to me. If closing code doesn't happen in > practice, then the agreement has no reason to secure that possibility. > > I can also see that many people here don't value open source software. > I was under the impression Qt ha

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Lincoln Ramsay
On 04/19/2012 10:59 AM, ext Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > I can also see that many people here don't value open source software. I think you're confusing "open source" with "free software". Qt is an "open source" project that happens to release code under a "free software" license. Qt is not a "fr

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Scott Aron Bloom
But closing code happens in EVERY release... Every release of Qt, has an open and closed component. The fact that Qt is releases in both LGPL AND Commercial, means that the code when under the commercial license, is CLOSED... It has been that way sicne the day they FIRST releases a dual license s

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
That is totally irrelevant to me. If closing code doesn't happen in practice, then the agreement has no reason to secure that possibility. I can also see that many people here don't value open source software. I was under the impression Qt had transformed into an open project, surrounded by op

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Scott Aron Bloom
I couldn't disagree more While I don't recommend to clients to pay for digia support. I understand why some companies insist on it, mainly for the priority support they get.. There has ALWAYS been code, ALWAYS, that first Trolltech, then Nokia, and now digia, that is for commercial customer

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Then I'd say Qt was not suitable for "open governance" and "open development". Or not ready for it. It's a funny situation right now. I can use Qt like an open project, but am not allowed to contribute to it in an open manner. In a sense, you must contribute more than you get. That is unfai

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread BRM
As pointed out, the main reason Qt Commercial customers buys the commercial license is to not to have to worry about some of the LGPL requirements - namely the ability to static link. Where I presently work has a commercial license. We static link a lot of things. Could we dynamically link? Prob

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Again, that's not my issue. LGPL allows commercial exploitation of the code. The issue is taking open code and closing it, not allowing me anymore to see how it was modified. Being commercial has nothing to do with this. On 18/04/12 22:10, Jason H wrote: > Really It's a question of comparat

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/04/12 22:17, Quim Gil wrote: > Sorry, I didn't get it. Currently, in my code I need to: QDialogButtonBox::ButtonLayout layoutPolicy = QDialogButtonBox::ButtonLayout(ui->buttonBox->style()->styleHint(QStyle::SH_DialogButtonLayout)); if (layoutPolicy == QDialogButtonBox::GnomeLayou

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & QX11EmbedContainer?

2012-04-18 Thread R. Reucher
On Wednesday 18 April 2012 20:50:01 Girish Ramakrishnan wrote: > > Asked differently... is there a general / platform-independent > > replacement for it? THAT would be cool :)! > > There's no platform independent replacement. But on the development > list, we have mostly agreed on creating a platf

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Quim Gil
On 04/18/2012 12:08 PM, ext Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> 1. Qt has dual licensing, open and commercial. > > I think you mean open and closed/proprietary, because "open" does not > imply non-commercial. Ok, open source and proprietary. > > >> 2. Qt Commercial = Qt (from qt-project.org) + more non-O

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Jason H
Really It's a question of comparative greed. If you don't want your source in the commercial arena, where people can make money off of you, well what's the value of that as compared to the value of the code that you get for free, as well as the value you get by those commercial interests testing

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/04/12 21:41, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi, first just making sure you are aware of qt-project.org/legal.html > > Most of the content of this thread is explained there, although perhaps > less poetically or straightforward. > > On 04/18/2012 11:01 AM, ext Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> So that argument i

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & QX11EmbedContainer?

2012-04-18 Thread Girish Ramakrishnan
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM, R. Reucher wrote: > On Wednesday 18 April 2012 19:39:04 R. Reucher wrote: > >> are there plans to revive QX11EmbedContainer in Qt 5? Seems that it does >> no > >> longer exist, which would be very sad (and a real issue for me)... > > Asked differently... is there

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Girish Ramakrishnan
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Bo Thorsen wrote: > Den 18-04-2012 10:33, John Layt skrev: >> It is a trade-off, but not entirely one-way.  They get to sell your code, but >> the money raised goes towards supporting Qt. > > Actually, I see this more as a "yes, you can buy commercial support". It

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, first just making sure you are aware of qt-project.org/legal.html Most of the content of this thread is explained there, although perhaps less poetically or straightforward. On 04/18/2012 11:01 AM, ext Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > So that argument is moot. The core argument is: 1. Qt has dua

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quarta-feira, 18 de abril de 2012 16.03.32, Andreas Pakulat wrote: > As far as I can see there is no phonon shipping with Qt5, seems it was > dropped. I guess configure was just not updated yet to reflect that. No > idea wether the phonon project already has a Qt5 port available. It wasn't in t

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/04/12 20:19, Till Oliver Knoll wrote: > > > Am 18.04.2012 um 15:38 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > >> ... What I find problematic is transforming said code from open to >> closed source, thus allowing others to modify it without giving back the >> modifications. > > As has been mentioned alread

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & QX11EmbedContainer?

2012-04-18 Thread R. Reucher
On Wednesday 18 April 2012 19:39:04 R. Reucher wrote: > are there plans to revive QX11EmbedContainer in Qt 5? Seems that it does no > longer exist, which would be very sad (and a real issue for me)... Asked differently... is there a general / platform-independent replacement for it? THAT would be

[Interest] Qt5 & QX11EmbedContainer?

2012-04-18 Thread R. Reucher
Hi again, are there plans to revive QX11EmbedContainer in Qt 5? Seems that it does no longer exist, which would be very sad (and a real issue for me)... Thanks, René ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Till Oliver Knoll
Am 18.04.2012 um 15:38 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras : > ... What I find problematic is transforming said code from open to > closed source, thus allowing others to modify it without giving back the > modifications. As has been mentioned already in this thread it is impractical to develop bug f

[Interest] QWizard's next/finish button - responding to user input

2012-04-18 Thread Carl Schumann
Qt community, I am subclassing QWizard to configure an application's capabilities. The first QWizardPage asks the user a question. The sequence and quantity of the subsequent pages depends on this answer.In one case there are no further configuration details to specify. In this the si

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/04/12 18:44, Andreas Pakulat wrote: > On 18.04.12 17:53:49, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 18/04/12 17:40, Andreas Pakulat wrote: There's this "Is KDE required to make my apps work?" question again... >>> >>> I don't see what KDE has to do with this, Phonon is a Qt-based project >>> that

Re: [Interest] Getting QTreeView item click offset for DnD

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Crocker
On 04/18/2012 10:54 AM, Jason H wrote: > There is no drag start event. > If you are dragging then there was a drag start event and there is an active QDrag object somewhere. You will need to dig into the source code and find out how a QTreeView widget supports D&D. You will then have to hope tha

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 18.04.12 17:53:49, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 18/04/12 17:40, Andreas Pakulat wrote: > >> There's this "Is KDE required to make my apps work?" question again... > > > > I don't see what KDE has to do with this, Phonon is a Qt-based project > > thats independent of KDE, it just happens to be h

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread R. Reucher
On Wednesday 18 April 2012 16:53:05 R. Reucher wrote: > > Maybe in git its already been re-added. If qmake doesn't understand its > > there I'd suggest to check the mkspecs/ directory, thats apparently > > where the magic for QT+= happens (in features/ or modules/) and maybe > > report a bug that i

Re: [Interest] Getting QTreeView item click offset for DnD

2012-04-18 Thread Jason H
There is no drag start event. I attempted to copy what they did in an example:  void DragWidget::mousePressEvent(QMouseEvent *event) { QLabel *child = static_cast(childAt(event->pos())); if (!child) return; QPixmap pixmap = *child->pixmap(); QByteArray itemData; QDataStream dataStream(&itemDat

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/04/12 17:40, Andreas Pakulat wrote: >> There's this "Is KDE required to make my apps work?" question again... > > I don't see what KDE has to do with this, Phonon is a Qt-based project > thats independent of KDE, it just happens to be hosted on kde.org > infrastructure. I think it's a KDE pr

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread R. Reucher
On Wednesday 18 April 2012 16:40:22 Andreas Pakulat wrote: > > Well, it built and installed cleanly! Even headers and such... so I see > > no reason *not* to allow "QT += phonon". Even the docs state that it > > still exists in Qt 5: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/phonon.html > > My statement wa

Re: [Interest] Getting QTreeView item click offset for DnD

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Crocker
On 04/18/2012 10:33 AM, Jason H wrote: > That is wrong, because that is the mouse position of the drop location. > > Here, let me make a picture > +--+ > |---deleg.te---| > +--+ > > Now the "." in the delegate is the mouse location. When I drop this delegate > on > the widg

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 18.04.12 16:16:47, R. Reucher wrote: > On Wednesday 18 April 2012 16:03:32 Andreas Pakulat wrote: > > On 18.04.12 14:27:30, R. Reucher wrote: > > As far as I can see there is no phonon shipping with Qt5, seems it was > > dropped. I guess configure was just not updated yet to reflect that. No > >

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread Robin Burchell
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Andreas Pakulat wrote: > As far as I can see there is no phonon shipping with Qt5, seems it was > dropped. > I guess configure was just not updated yet to reflect that. No idea > wether the phonon project already has a Qt5 port available. It still exists, it just

Re: [Interest] Getting QTreeView item click offset for DnD

2012-04-18 Thread Jason H
That is wrong, because that is the mouse position of the drop location. Here, let me make a picture +--+ |---deleg.te---| +--+ Now the "." in the delegate is the mouse location. When I drop this delegate on the widget, I get the location of the "." in the widget coordinat

Re: [Interest] No scrollbars in QTableWidget under Ubuntu Unity

2012-04-18 Thread Lucas.Betschart
>just a shot in the dark: >do the scrollbars appear when you hover the mouse near to the assumed >position, e.g. at the bottom of your right view in your screenshot? >thus, are the scrollbars auto-hiding? No, they're not. I'm usign default Ubuntu Theme. I've tried anyway. Also scrolling with the

Re: [Interest] No scrollbars in QTableWidget under Ubuntu Unity

2012-04-18 Thread alexander golks
Hello, just a shot in the dark: do the scrollbars appear when you hover the mouse near to the assumed position, e.g. at the bottom of your right view in your screenshot? thus, are the scrollbars auto-hiding? alex Am Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:44:20 +0200 schrieb : > Hello, > > I've got a problem with

Re: [Interest] Getting QTreeView item click offset for DnD

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Crocker
On 04/18/2012 10:07 AM, Jason H wrote: > Please, any help? > > I'm stuck. > How about this: const QPoint & QDropEvent::pos () const Returns the position where the drop was made. > > *From:* Jason H > *To:* A

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread R. Reucher
On Wednesday 18 April 2012 16:03:32 Andreas Pakulat wrote: > On 18.04.12 14:27:30, R. Reucher wrote: > As far as I can see there is no phonon shipping with Qt5, seems it was > dropped. I guess configure was just not updated yet to reflect that. No > idea wether the phonon project already has a Qt5

Re: [Interest] Getting QTreeView item click offset for DnD

2012-04-18 Thread Jason H
Please, any help? I'm stuck. From: Jason H To: André Somers ; "interest@qt-project.org" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Getting QTreeView item click offset for DnD Yes. However nothing gives me the click coordinates. I am

Re: [Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 18.04.12 14:27:30, R. Reucher wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm a bit confused... yesterday I've successfully built Qt 5 (from git), and > despite the qtwebkit-examples-and-demos module, *all* other modules were > enabled (that is, including QtWebKit and Phonon). > > I managed to make the required c

[Interest] No scrollbars in QTableWidget under Ubuntu Unity

2012-04-18 Thread Lucas.Betschart
Hello, I've got a problem with scrollbars in a QTableWidget. They should be shown, since I've set horizontalScrollBarPolicy to ScrollBarAsNeeded. On Windows (left side of the picture) it works, but not on Ubuntu Linux (11.10 with Unity). Any suggestions? Freundliche Grüsse Lucas Betschart

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/04/12 11:33, John Layt wrote: > On Wednesday 18 Apr 2012 03:55:19 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> I went to register for a Gerrit account. There I saw that I must agree >> to a "contributor agreement". It's very legalese, so I'm not sure if it >> means what I think it means: Nokia can transform

[Interest] Qt5 & Phonon?

2012-04-18 Thread R. Reucher
Hi list, I'm a bit confused... yesterday I've successfully built Qt 5 (from git), and despite the qtwebkit-examples-and-demos module, *all* other modules were enabled (that is, including QtWebKit and Phonon). I managed to make the required changes to one of my major projects within half an hou

[Interest] cannot find -lQAxContainerd

2012-04-18 Thread Graham Labdon
Hi A colleague has developed an application using Qt 4.7.4 I am using Qt 4.8.0 and when I build the application the linker complains - cannot find -lQAxContainerd How can I resolve this? Thanks ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http:/

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Jeremy KATZ
On 04/18/2012 11:01 AM, ext Bo Thorsen wrote: > Den 18-04-2012 10:33, John Layt skrev: >> It is a trade-off, but not entirely one-way. They get to sell your code, but >> the money raised goes towards supporting Qt. > Actually, I see this more as a "yes, you can buy commercial support". It allows

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quarta-feira, 18 de abril de 2012 13.18.25, André Somers wrote: > Op 18-4-2012 13:11, Atlant Schmidt schreef: > > All: > >> "Licensor hereby grants, in exchange for good and valuable > >> consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby > >> acknowledged, ... > >> > >I wonder wh

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread André Somers
Op 18-4-2012 13:11, Atlant Schmidt schreef: > All: > >> "Licensor hereby grants, in exchange for good and valuable >> consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby >> acknowledged, ... >I wonder what "good and valuable consideration" Nokia's >attorneys believe is being provi

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Atlant Schmidt
All: > "Licensor hereby grants, in exchange for good and valuable > consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby > acknowledged, ... I wonder what "good and valuable consideration" Nokia's attorneys believe is being provided as their part of this contract? Usually, that ter

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quarta-feira, 18 de abril de 2012 03.55.19, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > I went to register for a Gerrit account. There I saw that I must agree > to a "contributor agreement". Not exactly. You don't have to agree to the CLA to have an account. Accounts without the agreement can participate in r

Re: [Interest] Qt ssh root ca bundle

2012-04-18 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quarta-feira, 18 de abril de 2012 07.36.52, ynon perek wrote: > I hope not. Is there an easy way to check ? > > I tried both this bundle (from cacert.org): > http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 > > And this one (extracted from mozilla through curl's website): > http://curl.haxx.se/docs/caextrac

Re: [Interest] A ScrollBar needed in GridLayout

2012-04-18 Thread Eckhard Jokisch
On 04/18/12 11:10, Sujan Dasmahapatra wrote: > I have implemented a QGridLayout where one by one textedits are > appended in multiple rows and 2 columns as below > > > > QList plotWidgets; > > > > plotWidgets.append(new QTextEdit(this)); > > layout->addWidget(plotWidgets.last(), row, col

[Interest] A ScrollBar needed in GridLayout

2012-04-18 Thread Sujan Dasmahapatra
I have implemented a QGridLayout where one by one textedits are appended in multiple rows and 2 columns as below QList plotWidgets; plotWidgets.append(new QTextEdit(this)); layout->addWidget(plotWidgets.last(), row, column); I want a scrollbar should come if the row is more than or e

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Bo Thorsen
Den 18-04-2012 10:33, John Layt skrev: > It is a trade-off, but not entirely one-way. They get to sell your code, but > the money raised goes towards supporting Qt. Actually, I see this more as a "yes, you can buy commercial support". It closes one of the objections my customers have. Of course,

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread John Layt
On Wednesday 18 Apr 2012 03:55:19 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > I went to register for a Gerrit account. There I saw that I must agree > to a "contributor agreement". It's very legalese, so I'm not sure if it > means what I think it means: Nokia can transform open source code I > contribute into non

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread Lincoln Ramsay
On 04/18/2012 05:28 PM, ext André Somers wrote: > Op 18-4-2012 8:23, Donald Carr schreef: >> Any customer who buys their way out of the LGPL requirements of up >> streaming changes to Qt places a maintenance burden on themselves that >> they are fully entitled to and may well end up ruing. It is th

Re: [Interest] Contributor agreement rundown

2012-04-18 Thread André Somers
Op 18-4-2012 8:23, Donald Carr schreef: > Any customer who buys their way out of the LGPL requirements of up > streaming changes to Qt places a maintenance burden on themselves that > they are fully entitled to and may well end up ruing. It is their > baby, and the money they pay for said baby is o