Thanks a lot to everyone!!!
I'll try all the solutions you have suggested and I'm sure I'll solve my
problems!
Stefano C
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On Monday 16 October 2006 16:47, Zachariah Mully wrote:
> Yes, that's what I was alluding to... Outlook+Horde+Kolab does not work
> well at all.
Cyrus does seem to work pretty well with Egroupware.
wt
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Colorado State University, Dept.
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 23:24 +0200, Martin G.H. Minkler wrote:
> Zachariah Mully wrote:
> >
> > I would stay far far away from kolab for anything more than one or two
> > person use. Especially if you plan on using it with Outlook as the
> > Outlook connector stores the Kolab data in a binary forma
Zachariah Mully wrote:
I would stay far far away from kolab for anything more than one or two
person use. Especially if you plan on using it with Outlook as the
Outlook connector stores the Kolab data in a binary format, making it
unsearchable on the server side, hence retardedly slow as you nee
Alexandros Vellis wrote:
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 14:13 +0200, Martin G.H. Minkler wrote:
Generally I haven't had any problems with squirrelmail except that I
didn't manage to configure it to use plaintext+TLS auth since it won't
use STARTTLS according to IMAPS but tries to establish a classic SS
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 14:13 +0200, Martin G.H. Minkler wrote:
> Generally I haven't had any problems with squirrelmail except that I
> didn't manage to configure it to use plaintext+TLS auth since it won't
> use STARTTLS according to IMAPS but tries to establish a classic SSL
> layer with the s
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 06:57 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> I would realize a webmail system based on Cyrus IMAP.
> What can you suggest me?
> I've find out these different products that could be usefull for my purposes:
> 1)
> Squirremail
> 2)
> Horde-IMP
> 3)
> Openwebmail
>
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 14:13 +0200, Martin G.H. Minkler wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
>
> > I would use Horde because it seems there is a gorupware Horde-based that
> > should be so cool.
> > It could be fantastic if Horde could interface with MS Outlook to share
> > contacts and other inform
Hi!
I have tried squirrelmail and horde IMP.
While squirrelmail is very easy to implement, I prefer IMP for it's
superior feature list
But it's a hell to configure it the first time with all it's thousand
options because I found most of them having the wrong default in my opinion.
Best,
Daniel
Hi,
I only know a older version of Squirremail as user and the Horde as Admin.
So i will only say something to Horde.
We are running Horde with IMP, Ingo, Turba, Kronolithe, Nag and Mnemo.
Horde supports the features of cyrus like (quota Display, ACL and timesiev).
The Turba, Kronolithe, Nag an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
I would use Horde because it seems there is a gorupware Horde-based that
should be so cool.
It could be fantastic if Horde could interface with MS Outlook to share
contacts and other informaions.
Does anyone have some experiences in that way?
If You're looking for g
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
We have moved our mail server to a new version of cyrus. We have just
discovered that webmail (IMP) is not able to save sent messages to the
existing sent-mail folder.
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user/[EMAIL PROTECTED] (\HasChildren)
localhost> lm use
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:21:02 -0400, "Jeffrey T Eaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> > My curus-imapd authenticates using gssapi kerberos5.
> > Is there a webmail system that authenticates users to the cyrus-imapd
> > using kerberos5?
> > Maybe through pubcookie?
> > I cannot find any directions..
>
I use an implementation of Horde + Imp to provide webmail services. I
do not use Kerberos myself although I believe it is an option with Horde
+ Imp. Horde's homepage is http://www.horde.org (I feel as though this
is getting a bit off topic!)
If you go for Horde to get started you will need
--- Jeffrey T Eaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My curus-imapd authenticates using gssapi kerberos5.
> > Is there a webmail system that authenticates users to the cyrus-imapd
> > using kerberos5?
> > Maybe through pubcookie?
> > I cannot find any directions..
>
> At CMU, we are using a slightl
> My curus-imapd authenticates using gssapi kerberos5.
> Is there a webmail system that authenticates users to the cyrus-imapd
> using kerberos5?
> Maybe through pubcookie?
> I cannot find any directions..
At CMU, we are using a slightly modiffied version of SquirrelMail
which uses pubcookie with
I'm running horde 2.2.4 and IMP 3.2.2, and RELENG_1 release of Ingo (for
sieve support).
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 19:11, Kendrick Vargas wrote:
> Etienne Goyer wrote:
>
> > I run Horde/IMP with Cyrus-imapd successfully, but I would not dare call
> > it "fairly simple". Config is actually quite comp
Etienne Goyer wrote:
I run Horde/IMP with Cyrus-imapd successfully, but I would not dare call
it "fairly simple". Config is actually quite complicated, but it
support most of Cyrus features (Sieve, ACL, quota, etc).
Feel free to ask any question you might have about my setup.
Ok... what version o
I run Horde/IMP with Cyrus-imapd successfully, but I would not dare call
it "fairly simple". Config is actually quite complicated, but it
support most of Cyrus features (Sieve, ACL, quota, etc).
Feel free to ask any question you might have about my setup.
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:58:06PM +0100
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:11:35PM -0700, James Satterfield wrote:
> Is there a sieve builder plugin for IMP?
Yes, it's called Ingo. It does have some limitation (ie it does not
use TLS) and require to use a snapshot or CVS version of Horde.
--
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Ive been using horde/imp for years and I never recall this to be the case. Its
all in php in your webserver, so runs at whatever you have that set up as. The
excption may be the imap proxy (which keeps a imap session alive because things
run in a webserver will of course be short lived)... If you
On 2003.07.15 18:49 Wil Cooley wrote:
=> On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 07:27, Etienne Goyer wrote:
=> > I love IMP. It's very flexible and have a ton of features. But,
=> as
=> > somebody else mentioned, it's a pain to configure.
=> => This is quickly getting OT, and I apologize in advance to the
rest o
On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 18:49, Wil Cooley wrote:
> This is quickly getting OT, and I apologize in advance to the rest of
> the list, but does Horde still require some parts to run SUID root? The
> last time I really looked at it was several years ago, and it did then
> if memory serves.
Ignore me;
On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 07:27, Etienne Goyer wrote:
> I love IMP. It's very flexible and have a ton of features. But, as
> somebody else mentioned, it's a pain to configure.
This is quickly getting OT, and I apologize in advance to the rest of
the list, but does Horde still require some parts to r
'IMP' is the mail reader component from the Horde project. They also have
components for what you mention
sieve rule builder => Ingo (procmail as well via ftp)[1]
calender => Kronolith
address book => Turba
and pleanty of other components. Kronolith and Turba are both stable, ha
Is there a sieve builder plugin for IMP?
I'm already heading down the road with IMP/Horde. About half way installed.
Thus far, Horde has been quite simple. My biggest problems have been dealing
with the FreeBSD ports. php4 in particular pissed me off to no end.
ALL_OPTIONS=BCMATH BZIP2 CALEND
> Squirrel mail has more plugins but is spread out over the system more
Say what? SquirrelMail is completely self-contained in one directory
structure. I have it in /projects/squirrelmail on my development machine,
and /usr/local/share/squirrelmail on my production server. How is it
spread out?
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, James Satterfield wrote:
> Is there a sieve builder plugin for IMP?
> I'm already heading down the road with IMP/Horde. About half way installed.
> Thus far, Horde has been quite simple. My biggest problems have been dealing
> with the FreeBSD ports. php4 in particular pissed
> Hi! Is it possible to use SSL/TLS connections to IMAP server from
> squirellmail?
Yes. *IF* you have PHP 4.3.x, SquirrelMail 1.4.x, and Cyrus listening
for IMAPS connections (ie. no STARTTLS command required)
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On 15 Jul 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Is it possible to use SSL/TLS connections to IMAP server from
> squirellmail?
Yes, you can do that. Set the parameter:
$use_imap_tls = true;
in the /etc/squirrelmail/config.php file, and as long as you are
running PHP 4.3 or later and have the open
Hi! Is it possible to use SSL/TLS connections to IMAP server from
squirellmail?
Sergios
15 Июль 2003 20:53, Michael J Barber написал:
> I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion of features but Imp has
> spellchecking as well. It is one package and one line in the config. The
> package ispe
I use Horde/Imp to supply webmail for the company I work for. I have no
complaints about either package, we tested both and went with Horde for
the reasons Michael suggested and mainly for the spell checking
capabilities. Staff have found the web interface of horde/imp so good
they use webmail inte
I don't want to get into a big feature comparison between Horde/IMP and
other webmail software, but have you guys looked at the Horde projects
website (http://www.horde.org/projects.php) lately? There are a LOT of
Horde modules out there. We use the main ones here at OSU: IMP (mail),
Turba (cont
I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion of features but Imp has
spellchecking as well. It is one package and one line in the config. The
package ispell (I think) is on most systems I believe.
They both are very nice and work very well.
Horde/Imp/... has a very nice self contained structur
I agree and lets not forget the huge list of plug-ins that can be
installed to further extend the already feature rich system.
The spell checker plug in was a huge + for my users.
Thanks
Rich
On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 12:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I used to think that IMP was the best choice, b
I agree with Scott, Squirrelmail has lots of contributed plugins such as
sieve rule builder, calendar, address book, that makes it an intresting
choice. The only what remains to do is to improve the folders tree view,
but it can be deployed in minutes without to much effort.
Regards
James Satt
I used to think that IMP was the best choice, but now I think SquirrelMail
has surpassed it - or if not, it soon will. Tracking the two projects over
time, SquirrelMail seems to have a much faster development model by being
very open to code contributions and suggestions from outside developers
Horde IMP is the best choise.
At 05:48 PM 7/15/2003, David A Powicki wrote:
I also recommend IMP. It does have a steep learning curve, but once you
figure out what is going on it is very powerful. It has a number of great
features for a web-based mail client and with the additional applications
I also recommend IMP. It does have a steep learning curve, but once you
figure out what is going on it is very powerful. It has a number of great
features for a web-based mail client and with the additional applications
in the Horde framework you have the potential for a Portal application.
We
I love IMP. It's very flexible and have a ton of features. But, as
somebody else mentioned, it's a pain to configure.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 03:57:07PM -0700, James Satterfield wrote:
> What webmail frontend would you all recommend?
>
> James.
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I always see alot of people talk about Horde. I once tried installing the thing but
gave
up after a few hours of reading documentation and installation instructions.
I'm using SquirrelMail on my own servers plus all of my company's client's servers.
Works flawlessly with Cyrus, at least it has wi
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horde and imp.
www.horde.org
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Xperience, Inc.
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http://www.xperie
The IMHO webmail for the Roxen web server, and the derived CAMAS for
Caudim webserver both use persistent IMAP connections. I've used an old
version of IMHO for quite some without any major problems.
Mikael
URLS:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~stewa/IMHO/
http://camas.caudium.net/camas/index.rxml
O
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Ted Fines wrote:
> Unless the imap connection has a mailbox open. That ties up a potentially
> very large memory resource (depending on the size of the mailbox) on the
> server.
>
> I have to say I don't know for certain whether that's true for the cyrus
> imapd, but for othe
I'm not sure how the httpd processes are being tied up, but "tied up"
imapds that are otherwise idle don't cost you anything except some swap
and a process table entry. They're basicly free.
Unless the imap connection has a mailbox open. That ties up a potentially
very large memory resource (dep
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Gary Mills wrote:
> We do use that, and it probably does improve performance. It does have
> a problem with idle browser connections that accumulate with time.
> This also ties up a lot of `imapd' and `httpd' processes. It probably
> needs a client timeout someplace. I have
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 09:27:13PM -0400, Ken Murchison wrote:
>
> Gary Mills wrote:
> >Does anyone know of an e-mail web application that doesn't abuse the
> >IMAP server by making short connections? Most of them simply connect
> >and disconnect with each HTTP transaction. Is there one that beh
Gary Mills wrote:
Does anyone know of an e-mail web application that doesn't abuse the
IMAP server by making short connections? Most of them simply connect
and disconnect with each HTTP transaction. Is there one that behaves
the same as an IMAP client, using one connection for the duration of
t
Prayer does. You'll have to google it, though. I don't know much about
it.
Thanks,
Dave
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On Tue, 10
> On 02/22/2002 02:12 PM, Steve Wright wrote:
>
>> Can someone recommend me a good webmail package ?
>> At somepoint in the near future I will need to setup webmail on our
>> production servers & after seeing the security squirrelmail offers I
>> think it will be very hard to make a case for i
Try www.squirrelmail.org
It's great! Loads of extra plugin options, based around PHP scripts.
It's ded easy to modify to your needs and is 'community' orientated.
My reason for picking a webmail was... what do I want my webmail package to
do?
Do you require spell checking?
POP3 access?
Filters?
You might have a look at TWIG ( http://twig.screwdriver.net ) We've been
using it over two years and it's highly modular and can very easily be
extended to add support for quotas, multiple domains and the like. It
also supports various DBs, mailservers, authentication mechanisms.
For a preview
Hi Steve,
I just installed silkymail over my
cyrus/sendmail Solaris 8 system.
I am very impressed with the ease of install
(including SSL). It is bundled with its own
Apache server. You sort of pull the string
and it inflates. ;)
It appears extremely robust and my webmaster
and I are going
see
http://www.firstpr.com.au/web-mail/
and
http://www.cru.fr/http-mail/
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:59 AM
To: Robert Scussel
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Webmail for Cyrus Imap ?
Robert Scussel schrieb am Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 09:51:21PM -0500:
* Thanks, first of all for the help getting cyrus working with
* saslauthd-pam...
*
* I have been trying for day
A trick with SASL if you don't use the /etc/sasldb stuff is to compile
with "--with-dblib=none" and it will remove the sasl secrets database
code entirely.. We only use Kerberos so we didn't need any of the
/etc/sasldb stuff either.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Robert Scussel schrieb am Wed, D
Robert Scussel schrieb am Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 09:51:21PM -0500:
* Thanks, first of all for the help getting cyrus working with
* saslauthd-pam...
*
* I have been trying for days now to get the latest IMP(3.0) with the
* latest Horde(2.0) to work with cyrus. The problem now is that imp tries
Thanks, first of all for the help getting cyrus working with
saslauthd-pam...
I have been trying for days now to get the latest IMP(3.0) with the
latest Horde(2.0) to work with cyrus. The problem now is that imp tries
to use the protocol imap to logon, which then tries to logon via
C
Thank You very much for each and every one replied. Now I know what to use!!
:)
Thanks again.
Alex
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:14:23 +0100,
> Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (sj) writes:
sj> This was a interesting thread, and I was happy to see that at least
sj> one suggestion, Jawmail, supported WAP, but it caused my stock RedHat
sj> 7.1 Apache/PHP build to crash when I ran "install.
This was a interesting thread, and I was happy to see that at least
one suggestion, Jawmail, supported WAP, but it caused my stock RedHat
7.1 Apache/PHP build to crash when I ran "install.php"... So, are
there any other IMAP interfaces with WML support? Any experiences?
i am using imp from www.horde.org.
it is a good sollution with a very easy web interface (it was tricky to
install though - it took time untill i found install guide.)
the best of all - it is free.
On Wed, 12 Dec
2001, Jure Pecar wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:18:34 -0500
> "Alex Kamalov" <[
Alex Kamalov wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I was wondering if anyone can tell me a preferred webmail interface for
> cyrus-imap ? Which one should I use that could be relatively painless,
> albeit with functionality ?
>
I have on my system
IMP --- Good very big in code source terms but is designed
We use IMP (www.horde.org). It handles the Cyrus naming space pretty
well.
Jure Pecar wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:18:34 -0500
> "Alex Kamalov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone can tell me a preferred webmail interface for
> > cyrus-imap ? Which one
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:18:34 -0500
"Alex Kamalov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I was wondering if anyone can tell me a preferred webmail interface for
> cyrus-imap ? Which one should I use that could be relatively painless,
> albeit with functionality ?
>
Try jawmail (jawmail.sf.net)
>
>>Guys,
>>
>>I was wondering if anyone can tell me a preferred webmail interface for
>>cyrus-imap ? Which one should I use that could be relatively painless,
>>albeit with functionality ?
>>
>>Thanks a lot to everyone.
>>
We use IMHO (http://www.lysator.liu.se/~stewa/IMHO/) with our Roxen we
> Guys,
>
> I was wondering if anyone can tell me a preferred
webmail interface for
> cyrus-imap ? Which one should I use that could be
relatively painless,
> albeit with functionality ?
>
> Thanks a lot to everyone.
>
> Alex
>
>
http://www.cyrusoft.com/silkymail/
Here's just some of what t
Try Squirrelmail (http://www.squirrelmail.org )
Extremely eazy to setup and yes, it do support subfolders.
Mihai
- Original Message -
From: "Alex Kamalov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:18 AM
Subject: Webmail for Cyrus Imap ?
> Guys,
>
Does it support sub folders?
The current stable version (2.2.6) of IMP (http://www.horde.org/imp/) does not
support folder trees but the beta one (2.2.7) does. If you interested on setting
up IMP I have a doc on my site.
Haim
http://dudle.linuxroot.org
Joe Stump wrote:
>
> Squirrel
Squirrel Mail worked great for me.
--Joe
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:18:34PM -0500, Alex Kamalov wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I was wondering if anyone can tell me a preferred webmail interface for
> cyrus-imap ? Which one should I use that could be relatively painless,
> albeit with functionality ?
>
>
Cyrus Daboo wrote:
> Our products Mulberry and SilkyMail are pretty much the only shipping
> clients that use IMSP. The old Simeon/ExecMail client used IMSP too, but
> that is no longer being supported. The SilkyMail IMSP support is provided
> as a PHP module. This is currently not available as pa
Evil Azrael wrote:
> But knows anybody a good client for Windows? Outlook is too unsecure
> for my taste, netscape lacks a lot of features i would like too see
> and my favorite "The Bat!" doesn´t seem to be an IMAP client at all.
> somehow it looks that´s just a POP3 client that can also fetch ma
Michel Jouvin wrote:
> In particular, Silkymail has support for IMSP preferences and adress
> books, A very interesting feature if you want user being able to share
> address books between Webmail and other mail clients.
>
What clients support IMSP? Is this support synchronization/off-line access
Evil Azrael wrote:
>Guten Tag Richard Hopkins,
>RH> SilkyMail from Cyrusoft
>
>RH> http://www.cyrusoft.com/silkymail/
>
>RH> is well worth a look.
>
>Not really... somehow it feels like horde/imp and the url of the
>program where you are being redirected has imp in it´s path part.
>
>Christop
In particular, Silkymail has support for IMSP preferences and adress
books, A very interesting feature if you want user being able to share
address books between Webmail and other mail clients.
Michel
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:06:58 +0100 Richard Hopkins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> SilkyMai
Thus spake Rehuel Lobato de Mesquita ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Can anyone recommend an open source "yahoo/hotmail-like" mail client?
I would second the recommendation for SquirrelMail. The user community
is also very helpful.
--
| Justin R. Miller / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 0xC9C40C31
| Of all the th
You may check out IMP (www.horde.org) or Squirrel Mail. (www.squirrelmail.org) THere are many more
but the choice depends on your requirements.
Regards,
Oyku Gencay
- Original Message -
From:
Rehuel Lobato de
Mesquita
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, Septembe
Just have a look at this webmail compare matrix :
http://members.ferrara.linux.it/gmeneghetti/webmailcompare/
Bye
Evil Azrael wrote:
> Guten Tag Rehuel Lobato de Mesquita,
>
> i have recently checked some webmail clients. my special requirement
> was that the client must not need mysql (i hate m
SilkyMail from Cyrusoft
http://www.cyrusoft.com/silkymail/
is well worth a look.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:38:01 -0300 Rehuel Lobato de Mesquita
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys
>
> Can anyone recommend an open source "yahoo/hotmail-like" mail client?
>
> Rehuel
Richard Hopkins,
Inf
Guten Tag Rehuel Lobato de Mesquita,
i have recently checked some webmail clients. my special requirement
was that the client must not need mysql (i hate mysql; PostgreSQL
rulez !).
You can find the following at freshmeat.net :
SquirrelMail
The one i will go to use. It´s special feature is that
check out squirrelmail, http://www.squirrelmail.org/. it's gnu, written
in php4 and fast.
> Rehuel Lobato de Mesquita wrote:
>
> Hey guys
>
> Can anyone recommend an open source "yahoo/hotmail-like" mail client?
>
> Rehuel
--
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Unix Systems Administrator
Cognigen Corp.
[EMAIL P
IMP is very widely used and very good indeed. However, at times may be
somewhat tricky to make it work.
You may also try squirrelmail ( www.squirrelmail.org), it's a breeze to
install and quite good (and showing some growth potential).
Mihai Amariutei
- Original Message -
From: "Peter E
I agree,
IMP from horde DO THE JOB.
it is very easy to install, and they have there a good HOWTO.
we added ssl to the apache, and it works fine.
you can also set up any authontication that you want very easy.
ronen amity
At 19:46 01/10/2001 -0400, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
>Peter,
>
>IMP is w
Peter,
IMP is what we use (http://www.horde.org). As for authentication IMP
authenticates against the IMAP server. It is up to the IMAP server what
kind of authentication it does.
Peter Erickson wrote:
> Okay I finally got Cyrus Imap up and working and am looking at adding
> WebMail. I know tha
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