A. On Thu, 2019-06-06 at 14:59 -0400, T. Kurt Bond wrote:
> I didn't see it documented in GROFF_MS(7).
There are various ways (though not many)
to do this, depending on thr context
and on the reason for switchong columns.
Genrally, there is no stabdard built-in
method in ms (hence not docume
On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 20:36 +0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
> > the epsiode about Joe Ossanna is indeed funny, but what
> > the guy in the video is saying at that point is of course
> > total crap: very untrue in multiple respects and totally
> > irresponsible.
>
> Indeed, I did not mean to imply it
One thing that does not seem to have been mentioned so far
(or perhaps I have overlooked it) is the role of roff
(abbreviation of "runoff", to reduce key-strokes) in
the emergence of Unix itself.
Unix was not originally developed by Bell Labs (as a
corporation) but by a group of Bell Labs people w
With regard to:
"So I took this to mean that whole points were Ok for paper sizes"
one has to agree! The discrepancies between "atatutory" A4 sizes
"595.276 by 841.89" and tha practicsl "595 by 842" are:
0.276/72 of an inch = 3,833... inch/1000
approx = 4 thousandths of an inch
0.11/72
See in-line at []
On Wed, 2018-05-02 at 14:49 +1000, Damian McGuckin wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2018, Doug McIlroy wrote:
>
> > I agree it lines things up right horizontally. What I complained
> > about is that (at least in -ms) a separate EQ-EN pair for each
> > line introduces extra vertical sp
On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 13:45 -0400, Doug McIlroy wrote:
> Fellow groffers, what do you think of generalizing the application
> of "mark" and "lineup" in eqn to work in columns and piles as
> well as in equations.
> The typical use of mark and lineup is to align = signs in
> a sequence of equations.
[See at end ... ]
On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 18:05 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 03:57:19PM +0100, Deri James wrote:
> > To avoid making existing documents render incorrectly I propose to allow
> > the
> > existing behaviour to be selected. Adding this to the NEWS file:-
> >
>
And I'll aff my biut to this (see below).
On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 14:57 +, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'll take an easy one.
>
> > > 1) How do I use colours inside documents? For example, I want to
> > >colour a word blue. Also, are there ways to colour graphic
> > >primitives a
Which does not necessarily resolve the matter!
For instance, should one abbreviate "Street" as "St" or "St."?
Either is compatible: "S[tree]t" or "St[reet]."
In practice one sees both.
And "St" could also be "Saint", as in "St Andrew's St" ...
Ted.
On Tue, 2017-11-21 at 09:16 +, Denis M. Wil
On Sat, 2017-11-11 at 21:32 -0500, Larry Kollar wrote:
> > Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> >
> > It's not about saving disk space. Remember that groff is an
> > interpreted language *without* a translation to an internal
> > representation.[*] This means, for example, that a comment within a
> > loop w
to upload a tarball (into alpha.gnu.org
> and ftp.gnu.org) I mailed ftp-upl...@gnu.org so that they could give me
> access to these ftp site, but apparently not being the official
> maintainer is a problem, here is was they answered:
>
> "The currently listed maintainer for gro
A. On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 18:13 +0200, E. Hoffmann wrote:
> Hello *roffers.
>
> Excuse me if this question has been answered zillions of time,
> or if it is all absurd, but I don't find an answer ...
>
>I want to typeset parallel texts, like a translation, the original
> *always* in the l
On Sat, 2017-07-22 at 15:32 -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:19:29PM +0100, Keith Marshall wrote:
> > On 22/07/17 15:06, John Gardner wrote:
> > > ... Can I semi-seriously implore the world to only use UTF-8, and
> > > pretend other encodings don't exist?
> >
> > Not really
n.
As opposed to the new pound, European currencies, and the
American dollar, which only divide up, coarsely, like the metre.
No wonder this ountry was in the mood to quit Europe!
Best wishes to all (wherever ye may be ... ),
Ted.
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oan_turning39.pdf
Best wishes to all,
Ted.
PS:
For information: the portrait has been cropped from a portrait
shown in the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan
Of all the available choices, I preferred this one for
inclusion,
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htly later -- the creation of dawn -- when the distant
horizons of the dark lands occupied by other operating systems
began to shimmer under the glowing light of an emerging Unix.
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those available by default in troff, and would
need to be installed (which itself is a somewhat finicky process).
Hoping this helps!
Ted.
[**] In illustration of the latter point, I attach a frivolous little
piece of scientific writing I composed a while ago ...
Attached PDF: gravity_levityC.
t;> > If you use .in with a register value you have to set the unit to u,
>> > e.g.:
>> > .in \n(dlu
>> > else the default unit of .in is multiplied with the dl register value.
>>
>> Also, see the Notes column for .in on page 4 of CSTR 54,
>> http://troff.org/54.pdf, and sections 1.3 and 1.4.
>>
>> Cheers, Ralph.
>>
>>
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ve access to)
edit the TR file so that the metrics for each character are changed.
And I suppose one should do the same for the other files of the
Times family (TB, TI, TBI).
Best wishes,
Ted.
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do, OKLAHOMA" \
USA
Also, by the way, Nowhere realy exists in Caddo County, Oklahoma.
And there used to be a Nowhere in Norfolk, England, but it got
swallowed up into the nearby parish of Acle, about half-way
between Norwich and Great Yarmouth; so Nowhere is now nowhere.
See:
https://en.wik
-> "A = B"
$A=-B$
--> "A = -B$"
$A = - B$
--> "A = -B"
$A~=~-B$
--> "A = - B"
which clearly it should not! Now to try to track down
why it happens ... Interestingly, $A~=-B$ produces
the same result as $A = - B, namely "A = -B", whil
27; C\*'
.char \(d' d\*'
.char \(D' D\*'
.char \(n' n\*'
.char \(N' N\*'
.char \(r' r\*'
.char \(R' R\*'
.char \(s' s\*'
.char \(S' S\*'
.char \(t' t\*'
.char \(T' T\*'
.\" Ring-above
.char \(io \(.i\*[ring]
.char \(Io I\*[ring]
.char \(uo u\*[ring]
.char \(Uo U\*[ring]
.\" Breves
.char \(au a\*[breve]
.char \(Au A\*[breve]
.char \(gu g\*[breve]
.char \(Gu G\*[breve]
.char \(uu u\*[breve]
.char \(Uu U\*[breve]
.\" Miscellaneous Accents
.\" Hungarian umlaut
.char \(o= o\*;
.char \(O= O\*;
.\" Turkish dotless i
.char \(i. \(.i
=
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dev/null; done'
> 0m07.25s real 0m02.83s user 0m03.33s system
>
> Mandoc does HTML5 and MathML by default and does not need any options
> or preprocessors.
>
> Being faster by a factor of more than 2000 (two thousand)
> may be relevant for some applications.
>
Thanks, Ingo. All understood now!
Ted.
On 15-Dec-2015 17:11:12 Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
> Ted Harding wrote on Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 05:01:54PM -:
>
>> You have replied to a message from Brian McGuinness, 13/12/2015.
>> I do not seem to have received such a
ping this helps,
Ted.
PS: Dorai, it could help to clarify the issue is you would
give an example of input where the effect you observed occurs.
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which then came out right.
I can't think by what logic pic produces "15 + d2r(0.5*i)", but I'm
passing this on in case it is of use or interest to any of you!
Best wishes to all,
Ted.
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.pdf
>
> --
> Peter Schaffter
> http://www.schaffter.ca
Wonderful! Thank you, Peter!
And I particularly love the (forward looking?) line on the title page:
"Approved for public release; distribution unlimited"
Best wishes,
Ted.
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also from Adobe themselves as a
zip file at:
http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/ps/sdk/sample/BlueBook.zip
(according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript -- see under
"External Links").
(And I've only just started on writing an account of this sort of
thing in groff -- I'l
.scsh]s'V\s[\\n[.cap.PS]]
.char w\s[\\n[.sc.ps]]\Z'W'\h'\\n[.scsh]s'W\s[\\n[.cap.PS]]
.char x\s[\\n[.sc.ps]]\Z'X'\h'\\n[.scsh]s'X\s[\\n[.cap.PS]]
.char y\s[\\n[.sc.ps]]\Z'Y'\h'\\n[.scsh]s'Y\s[\\n[.cap.PS]]
.char z\s[\\n[.sc.ps]]\Z'Z'\h'\\n[.scsh]s'Z\s[\\n[.cap.PS]]
.char \(i. \s[\\n[.sc.ps]]\Z'I'\h'\\n[.scsh]s'I\s[\\n[.cap.PS]]
..
.de /smallcaps
.\"\c
.rchar a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z \(i.
.rr .sc.ps
.rr .cap.PS
.rr .scsh
..
.smallcaps
Here Is An Example Of Smallcaps
./smallcaps
.\"##
Note the over-printing to slightly "fatten" the reduced-size capitals.
NB That this is oriented towards PS output!
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At the moment I'm too short of time to write a proper account,
but will produce something later this weekend.
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plications):
===
.char \[mychar] \Z'\h'0.1m'='\Z'\v'-0.265m'/'\Z'\v'0.415m'\[rs]'\
\Z'\h'0.5m'\v'-0.265m'\[rs]'\Z'\h'0.5m'\v'0.415m'/'\
\h'0.5m+\w'/'u'
The character \[mychar] doesn't represent anything!
===
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[Ooops! See [***] in-line below]
On 10-Dec-2014 19:50:29 Ted Harding wrote:
> On 10-Dec-2014 18:40:20 Dorai Sitaram wrote:
>> Is this planned? Section 5.4 of the manual suggests that "almost any
>> printable character" can be used, with the exception of spaces and such,
ial to extend gtroff to cover Unicode
or other character sets and encodings that use characters of
these ranges."
With best wishes,
Ted.
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ish.1:12: giving up on this table
>>
>> Please advise
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Anton
>>
>
> --
> Mike Bianchi
> Foveal Systems
>
> 973 822-2085
>
> mbian...@foveal.com
> http://www.AutoAuditorium.com
> http://www.FovealMounts.com
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result that eqn would
in effect throw away everything that came after that solo "$".
On such grounds, I think a notation like that suggested by Werner
above (".ifx") is a much better idea! Maybe it could even be
a macro?
Best wishes to all,
Ted.
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first place, as for spotting the missing " ").
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of the whole document -- see the
%%BoundingBox: comment)."
So there is a lot of flexibility of this kind in PostScript; but by
default this is not exploited by groff (which, by default, does not
even insert a %%BoundingBox: comment, though one can easily do this
by putting appropriate commands in the start-up script one uses).
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Ted.
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appens to be a macro,
like '\.PP', you'll need to escape the period by preceding it with a
backslash, like so '\\\.PP'
So, like Ralph, I'm strongly tempted to conclude that this text simply
did not, for whatever reason, get into the PDF.
I'm not a Mommer, so cannot contribute any possible explanation!
With best wishes,
Ted.
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rror cover sheet overflow
So it is intended behaviour! The Cover Page is one page.
Speaking for myself, I never use the cover-page resources, since
it is more straightforward (and offers more flexibility) to simply
write one's own leading text (if needed).
Hoping this helps,
Ted.
licitly mark the separator, e.g.:
.TS
tab(#);
a a .
INPUT#PRODUCES
#\\\&
abc#def
.TE
Hoping this helps!
Ted.
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ibertine could be implemented as a Helvetica Bold,
or (in its "outline" version) as Helvetica Bold Blonde.
With apologies to our Helvetian members.
Ted.
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list members (further ;).
>
> Please let us know as soon as the list is set up. I (and others, I
> imagine) will want to subscribe immediately.
Indeed!
Ted.
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ld all take hours. With groff and such, I feel we have moved
on a just little way from those days ...
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Ted.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correction_fluid
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involve extra
options "-mpreted -mted" in the command that calls troff.
(I will spare the list the details of this lot ... ).
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cos ( A ) cos ( B ) ~ -+ ~ sin ( A ) sin ( B )
.EN
and, to show how the scaling adapts:
.EQ
a ~+-~ b ~-+~ c ~ e sup{a~ +-~ b ~-+~ c}
.EN
This little thing has provoked quite some interest!
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erstood
> from Werner's reply, this symbol is now available via
> the PS driver.
>
> Anton
In case you don't have it available, or can't access it, I will
how how to create it! (But not just now, since I have to do other
things; so later).
Ted.
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t;\[+-]", and this results
in a symbols "±" consistiing of a "+" sign above a "-" sign.
When you say 'I need "minus plus" as well as "plus minus", do you
mean that you also need a symbol consisting of a "-" sign above
a "+" sign?
Ted.
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e probably has to do with the version of groff.
In 1.18.1 I have only \[+-] and \[t+-], not \[-+] which seems
to be absent from all the font files.
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I have also just seen Keith's latest response,
which arrived while I was writing this).
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t;
>> It might be possible, to allow also strings in the tab()-line as a first
>> step, instead of now only single character methods.
>
> qtbl is already really very good.
And what is qtbl?
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' can be used.
>>
>> .\" Copy the following lines for any underlined part
>> .
>> .\" before, not underlined, choose \& when empty
>> .ds u1 before
>> .\" this is underlined
>> .ds u2 in
>> .\" after, not underlined, choose \& when empty
>> .ds u3 after
>> .
>> .ie n \(*u1\fI\*(u2\fP\*(u3\"
>> .el \(*u1\Z'\*(u2'\v'.25m'\D'l \w'\*(u2'u 0'\v'-.25m'\*(u3\"
>> ..
>>
>> 7) I propose to include similar documentations about underlining in groff.7
>> (man/groff.man).
>>
>> Bernd Warken
>>
>>
>
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[Follow-up: see at end]
On 25-Jun-2014 10:50:26 Ted Harding wrote:
> On 25-Jun-2014 10:16:13 Russell Hyer wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am writing to ask whether anyone on this list knows about any
>> built in right-to-left support for Groff (without having to resort
>> to hack
problem here).
Many (about 25) years ago there was a version called ffortid
(i.e. RTL "ditroff"). I did try this for a while, but did not manage
to get used to it!
Nonetheless, if you try a google search on "ffortid" you will get
several hits, some of which may be useful.
Good luck!
Ted.
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instead. Performing conversions on-the-fly
>> by repeatedly calling external programs while running groff
>> strikes me as wasteful, since I'd be formatting a document
>> quite a number of times while writing it, and I'd probably
>> be too impatient to wait the extr
St
> London
> SW1A 2AA
> $
> $ groff -P -p4i,2.5i mike.tr >mike.ps
>
> No need for external psutils?
>
> Cheers, Ralph.
Which just goes to sow what you can do with groff!
Ted.
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;${tmpfile}2
>>
>> but again, no output.
>>
>> Oddly
>>
>> pstops '0V' ${tmpfile} >${tmpfile}2
>>
>> produces the expected vertical reflection.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Is there a way to do the rotation _within_ groff?
>>
>> (I know about the pic "aligned" hack,
>> but that seems to be useful only for simple unformatted text.
>> I would need to rotate an entire groff diversion.)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Bianchi
>> Foveal Systems
>>
>> 973 822-2085
>>
>> mbian...@foveal.com
>> http://www.AutoAuditorium.com
>> http://www.FovealMounts.com
>>
>>
>
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ve nice-looking results from this method,
and in any case it is not a true emboldening -- the horizontal
(or nearly horizontal) elements of a glyph will not be thickened
at all.
Still, it may help!
Ted.
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neral for all devices. How can this be done?
>
> I don't think that the standard PostScript Symbol font contains
> \[vA], so in general it won't be possible unless you provide
> your own fonts.
>
> But you can approximate it by overprinting arrowdblup (\[uA])
> and arro
is character \[vA]. Some idea?
>> >
>> > Originally contained in the glyph sets of -Tlj4 and -Tdvi; added to
>> > -Tps later on, using the standard AGL name `uni21D5'.
>>
>> Fine. I seem reasonable to include this and the other 4 characters
>>
ttp://www.xenopsyche.com/ip/junk/tao.html
(and not entirely irrelevant to current efforts ... )!
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t; .pb and .pe, usable within macro definitions, but also available
>> on-the-fly in cases where the user needs to specify the block of text
>> that constitutes a paragraph.
>
> Of course, in the interests of semantic markup, it may be useful to have
> a macro which would ex
either method (whichever comes out best) or use them
in combination.
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back to "runoff",
a program originally written for preparation of printed text.
Manpages came a bit layer.
And, finally, a comment about PDF. Some people have deprecated it.
But, if you created a carefully formatted document to send to
someone else, then usually this needs to be in PDF. UNIX/MacOS
and Linux users, if they know what they are doing, can access PS.
But many do no know what thney are doing, and they -- and of course
Windows users -- will only be able to cope with PDF.
I have, in the past, had the experience of sending PS files to
people who opened them in Word (with autosave mode active, of course)
who then (a) could not make sense of what they saw, and (b) screwed
up the original file because autosave arbitrarily overwrote parts of it!
I think PDF is here to stay for quite a long time, and is needed, and
I do not admit "anti-PDF" as arguments for not needing groff->PD->PDF
capability.
> -- Steve
> --
> Steve Izma
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s that ...
(x)=exp(-2x2)/2 (1)
Eqns. (1a), (1b) ...
The reason for the "can't find special character" warnings is that
the font-set for -Tascii is simply the ASCII character set, which
does not include Greek characters or mathematical symbols, namely
in the case of your example
special character `*p' Greek pi
special character `sqrt' Square root sign
special character `sqrtex' Square root extension [1]
special character `*f' Greek phi
[1]: The square root extension is a line which can be attached to
the top of the vertical part of the square root sign to make it taller
(i.e. to match a tall expression to the right of it).
Hoping this helps,
Ted.
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) 'eqn' does not put the "z" in, so I think between us we have
uncovered a deficiency in 'eqn'. Quite where in the 'eqn' code this
lurks is not obvious (to me at the moment). Or maybe, as you suggest,
it is only there because of the "/10" and 'eqn
only there for the /10. What's puzzling me
now is the >?5 since that's not "otherwise use 5 points" but
5 scaled points?"
Thanks for the comments. It shows that I was over-reacting to the
absence of non-integer arthmetic when it comes to setting point sizes
(though the point I raised in my original mail about slowing down the
rate of reduction with successive super/subscripting is a fair one,
I think).
With best wishes,
Ted.
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is what matters!
On a closely related issue: I quite regularly need to compute, within
a groff run, a numerical value which has a fractional part for insertion
in the text, or for computing fractional spacings, motions, etc. This
can be done using 'pic', which has good computational capa
y to
implement a two-pass technique (such as is typical for page-numbers
etc.) in order to be able to refer to equations qhich have yet to be
defined. This problem does not arise for equations labelled with
text (such as "[Normal]") since they are fixed strings which can
be defined at the
stage.
Just a further thought! My basic attitude to using [gt]roff is that
you can let the built-ins do their job so long as it comes out right,
but for the "final run" you may need to get those tweezers, leadings
and wedges out and shift stuff around by hand!
Best wishes to all,
Ted.
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will output
This is a line
1 This is a line
4 This is a line
Hoping this helps!
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On 02-Nov-2013 22:05:01 James K. Lowden wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:16:02 +0100 (BST)
> (Ted Harding) wrote:
>
>> Follow-up: I have found the source of your pronblem (the one
>> to do with vertical displacement). When a table is oujtput using
>>
le, I would
be happy to so the same for you some day.
Cheers,
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eqnguide.pdf
Description: eqnguide.pdf
ry has prompted me to add a
section on "multiple-line equations", so here is the result.
The new section is on pages 5-6 of the attached PDF:
eqnguide.pdf
Comments welcome!
Best wishes to all,
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on whether or not a keep was needed.
>
> I'm obviously doing something wrong, because 1) the second table doesn'
> line up, and 2) the way it doesn't line up varies, and 3) the keep
> behavior varies according to where the table falls.
>
> What's the right way, please?
>
> --jkl
>
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.2#13.5
24/09/2013#3.4#11.6##30/09/2013#5.9#114.1
24/09/2013#4.5#12.7##\01/10/2013#6.5#15.6
25/09/2013#5.1#13.2##\02/10/2013#7.2#16.5
.T&
|c s s|c|c s s|.
_##_
.TE
The result (from my machine) is attached as PDF: twotablesinone.p
he use of "\" makes this command equivalent to:
line -> from (0,0) to (0,2) sprintf("%.2f",dist) aligned above
And, of course, if you just want text set in a particular direction,
but without a visible line, then also use the "invis" attribute.
For example:
I
finally tracked it down to:
http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/groff/contrib/?root=groff&pathrev=MAIN
where these is a link to RUNOFF. Here there are 4 files:
ChangeLog
Makefile.sub
groff_filenames.man
runoff.man
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quot; "\(md" }%
sdefine forall %{ type "operator" "\(fa" }%
sdefine thereis %{ type "operator" "\(te" }%
sdefine suchthat %{ type "operator" vcenter roman ":" }%
sdefine in %{ type "binary" vcenter "\(mo" }%
sdefine notin %{ type "binary" vcenter "\(nm" }%
sdefine asymp %{
type "binary" vcenter "\v'0.1n'\s[\En[.s]*12u/10u]\(ti\s0\v'-0.1n'" }%
Hoping this helps. Please follow up with further queries if
any further help is needed!
Best wishes,
Ted.
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with each other and with ms).
If, for instance, you were to write
groff -tpe -mm -ms -me -Tps
then the Universe would fall apart!
So (while I have not studied hdtbl) I suspect that
groff -man -mhdtbl ...
plants incompatibilities, leading to errors.
Ted.
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en
a new (and superfluous) blank page can be triggered (in ms macros at
least). But this is a case of springing the "bottom of page" trap, and
does not relate, I think, to what smoore is experiencing.
So yes, please, a simple example!
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ff v1.22.1)
> Denis
Hmmm ... I get:
troff -ww -dpaper=A4 -dcA5 <<'END'
> .tm PAPER = \*[paper] c = \*[c]
> .ex
> END
PAPER = A4 c = A5
(But: groff version 1.18.1)
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at a PS file can pretend to meet the
criteria! However, maybe I'm getting cynical ...
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>
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:31:27 -, Ted Harding wrote :
>> And to Ralph's question I would add: Tell us exactly *what* you
>> want to know!
>
> So, as you say, I want to know how far from the left-hand edge of the paper,
> and from the right-hand edge,
tend.
The reason for asking you these questions is that there are various
possible sorts of relevant information, which may or may not be
present in a given PostScript file (depending on what software made
it, and on options which the user may have chosen).
Best wishes,
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t;invisibly").
This may be of interest to some, and I would also welcome comments
from anyone who has more insight into how to do this sort of thing!
Best wishes to all,
Ted.
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On 02-Dec-2012 18:40:11 Clarke Echols wrote:
> In a recent email the syntax:
>
> groff <<
> was used.
>
> I've used Unix/Linux for over 25 years, and I've never seen
> that "triple redirect" before. What does it do? I get nowhere
> with a Google search because it ignores the '<<<'.
>
> T
t on page 1 (by,
presumably, 1 VS), so that (relative to the text) the picture on
page 2 appears slightly raised (by one VS).
So I'm pretty sure that Tadziu's explanation is the correct one.
And the solution to the problem is to do something like ".LP"
to get things going text
On 23-Nov-2012 22:11:35 Anonymous wrote:
> Subject: Re: Exact column widths in 'tbl'
> References:
>
>>Greetings all!
>>This is a follow-up to Chriss Schaller's query yesterday,
>>and the subsequent replies. I have opened e new thread,
>>since it is a topic of general interest.
>
>>Of course the
lph.
You're correct, Ralph! Sorry, it seems I was writing of the back
of my head there ...
Cheers,
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o produce a booklet.
You would need to replace "-pa4" (which is for 8.3 × 11.7) in the
command by "-pletter" (which is for 8 1/2 x 11).
'psbook' and 'psnup' are both part of the 'ghostscript' suite of
programs.
Hoping this helps,
Ted.
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with the br tag :-) but putting in several .BR tag does'nt seem to work
>> here. So how to do that.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mikkel
>>
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hes
(etc.).
Hoping this helps. To understand the rest of your query, we need to
see the example you geberated.
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quot;) was an oversight!
Best wishes to all,
Ted.
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> --jkl
>>
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\\*[direct]
..
you should find that it does the right thing, since now, when called,
.indirect re-reads \*[direct] and evaluates \n[rst] and \n[rsb]
at their ambient values.
Hoping this helps,
Ted.
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needing
>> another standardising patch. Leaving it as is saves future work. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers, Ralph.
>
> Amen.
>
> --
> Mike Bianchi
And from me too!
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t, then I think one can say that Werner created it anew,
and then, in my opinion, has not "mixed up" US and UK spelling,
but has simply chosen one in preference to the other!
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lipped
that "u" into neghbour' -- he would have been setting it up himself!
However, my then (1991) installation of groff is no longer
accessible, so I can't check directly.
Anyone know?
Ted.
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> |with whom he had three | |
> |children | Text |
> +-----------+--+
> $
>
> Cheers, Ralph.
Well spotted, Ralph! I had overlooked/forgotten the 'd' specifier.
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some different number of lines in the text block
(say 4), then use \v'3v'. And so on.
The \v'-4v' returns the vertical position to the original position
at line 1, so that if you have further columns they are not affected
by the vertical movement in column 2.
Hoping this helps,
T
gt;>
>> Unix Text Processing
>>
>> available at
>> ftp://ftp.ffii.org/pub/groff/contrib/documentation/utp/utp-1.0.tar.gz
>>
>> I found the CSTR quite difficult. Has anybody some recent experience
>> in indexing or some newer helpers?
>> BTW. I would try to do it with the mom macro package
>>
>> Greetings, Johann
>>
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