Re: Contemplating color undefinition and new `pfp` request (was: which color repertoire should be the default?)

2025-06-08 Thread Steve Izma
fore this request makes it to my machines, but I'm looking forward to it. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 Temporary residence: 36 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W7 E-mail: si...@golden.net cellphone: 519-998-2684 == Th

Re: idea for groff

2025-02-20 Thread Steve Izma
le that's not obvious from its pathname, than put the description in a metadata file, like README or filecontents, or something. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 Temporary residence: 36 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W7 E-m

Re: Differences in `ne` and `bp` line-breaking behavior

2024-12-04 Thread Steve Izma
act that groff(7) > misses, too. This is news to me. Does it mean that the default page length automatically creates a trap? Or does .ne have a side effect? -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 Temporary residence: 36 Locust St., Kitchen

Re: [TUHS] Re: Documenting a set of functions with -man

2024-06-25 Thread Steve Izma
onts at a time. I think that it actually signalled the operator in the middle of a job when a new font was needed (that's a vague memory). In any case, I think it was common for publications to use more fonts than a machine could handle at one time. Lots of things were patched in at p

Re: paragraph-at-once breaking algorithm (was: Re: *roff hyphenation trivia challenge)

2024-04-02 Thread Steve Izma
On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 03:29:28PM -0500, Dave Kemper wrote: > Subject: paragraph-at-once breaking algorithm (was: Re: *roff hyphenation > trivia challenge) > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 2:23 PM Steve Izma wrote: > > I used TeX and LaTeX [...] and the oversetting of lines

Re: *roff hyphenation trivia challenge

2024-04-02 Thread Steve Izma
On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 01:29:05PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Subject: Re: *roff hyphenation trivia challenge > > At 2024-04-02T13:42:59-0400, Steve Izma wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 06:51:51PM +0200, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > Subject: Re: *roff hyph

Re: *roff hyphenation trivia challenge

2024-04-02 Thread Steve Izma
I would add .hw antidisestablishmentarianism to the document once (or, preferably, to a local tmac file used for the project). This may not be important for man page authors, but it's very important in a production environment. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kit

Re: the Courier font family and nroff history

2024-03-24 Thread Steve Izma
On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 03:39:45PM -0400, Peter Schaffter wrote: > Subject: Re: the Courier font family and nroff history > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, Steve Izma wrote: > > I tend to believe that Linotype was the driving force in the > > release of a complete package for corpo

Re: the Courier font family and nroff history

2024-03-23 Thread Steve Izma
ged in a house fire a few months ago. Otherwise I would have done due diligence and checked these memories more thoroughly. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net cellphone: 519-998-2684 == The most erroneous stories are tho

Re: Baffling accented glyphs issue

2023-08-26 Thread Steve Izma
ed character as utf-8 I got the same problem as you indicated. Using -K utf8 solves it. I guess I rarely have files with only a single example of a utf-8 character. I use the utf-8 open and closing double quotes very frequently so that probably makes the difference to preconv. -- Steve

Re: Selecting Papersize

2023-08-06 Thread Steve Izma
ay switch? Also, I think it would be useful to switch trays -- e.g., from plain paper to glossy paper -- in mid-document for the output of high-quality images on the same size of paper. That would make something like a "\X'ps: papertray xx'" or "\X'ps: InputSlot=xx

Re: PostScript viewers (was: interviews with groff developers)

2023-08-06 Thread Steve Izma
tall it, due to internal > inconsistencies. If anybody has had recent success installing > any PostScript reader on a PC, I'd like to hear about it. Okular on Debian 11 still reads my PostScript files. I continue to use grops in all my groff work (almost every day). -- Steve -- Steve

Re: a morsel of groff 1.23.0 status

2023-07-05 Thread Steve Izma
y justified. I'm glad it's finally out in the world. Thank you > for your tireless work in making groff more featureful, more portable, > better documented, and less buggy. Yes, all this work is very much appreciated. Thanks again. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust

"recently uncovered" Bell Labs Unix bibliography

2023-07-03 Thread Steve Izma
Brian Kernighan's "Unix: A History and a Memoir", which was thoroughly enjoyable to read. (Lots of good stories about Doug McIlroy in it, as well.) -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313

Re: widows vs orphans

2023-06-15 Thread Steve Izma
r me to internalize. > > > As two data points, these are the definitions used by > > typography expert Robert Bringhurst (as quoted long ago on > > this list by Steve Izma > > (http://lists.gnu.org/r/groff/2004-03/msg00091.html), himself > > a knowledgeable and experienced typo

Re: drawing commands have no impact on diversion height

2023-06-13 Thread Steve Izma
On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 02:29:04PM -0400, Steve Izma wrote: > Subject: Re: drawing commands have no impact on diversion height > > On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 01:35:22PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > Subject: drawing commands have no impact on diversion height > > >

Re: drawing commands have no impact on diversion height

2023-06-08 Thread Steve Izma
On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 08:30:53PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Subject: Re: drawing commands have no impact on diversion height > At 2023-06-08T14:29:04-0400, Steve Izma wrote: > > > *But* the ending of the diversion seemed to swallow the EOL of the > > diversion&#

Re: drawing commands in groff(7) (was: undiagnosed pic error)

2023-06-08 Thread Steve Izma
x trailer V792000 x stop shows that \D't .5p' has a width of 500 units, which is output as a 500-unit space. For as long as I can remember, I've needed to use this instead: \Z'\D't .5p''\D'l \n[.l]u 0' I'm pretty sure this anomaly has been discu

Re: drawing commands have no impact on diversion height

2023-06-08 Thread Steve Izma
o the diversion (see attached PS file). If I add a .br immediately after the .DD, I get the expected results, but that seems unnecessary and unpredictable to me, almost as if a .chop got silently applied by .di Using groff 1.22.4 on Debian Bullseye. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Loc

Re: A file suffix for troff's output.

2023-04-10 Thread Steve Izma
ize the parts of the project into sub-directories and just use fairly simple shell scripts to process them. I've considered using make, but long ago got into the habit of shell scripts. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@gol

Re: A file suffix for troff's output. (Was: pdfroff in groff 1.23.0.rc3 changes compared to 1.22.4)

2023-04-10 Thread Steve Izma
putting troff source files into a tr subdirectory of your project directory. That keeps the main project directory uncluttered. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell (text only; not frequently check

Re: groff for epub/e-books (was: groff 1.22.4 mandb 2.11.2 man -H tbl not rendered)

2023-02-23 Thread Steve Izma
cument. That shouldn't be too hard. It might be a lot easier if someone would convert groff into libraries for something like python. That would probably be more efficient in handling the display than using pipes between processes. I'd love to have a python-groff module. It would simpl

Re: Nils-Peter Nelson, sqtroff, and groff history

2022-12-13 Thread Steve Izma
arge corporations. They weren't happy about that, but their financial circumstances were difficult. As Liam says, their SGML and XML editors and tools later became more important. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.ne

Re: 3-word compound adjectives; the return of the '-'

2022-10-12 Thread Steve Izma
ased on block devices" is much less mind-boggling. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell (text only; not frequently checked): 519-998-2684 == The most erroneous stories are those we think

Re: .SPACE in mom

2021-11-11 Thread Steve Izma
r position, then sets traps so that the current text flow moves around the output block. This is for occasions where the output block needs to be always positioned in a particular place and isn't really related to a position in the text flow (banners, mastheads, ads, among other things). -- Ste

Re: SEE ALSO fails

2021-10-30 Thread Steve Izma
led. On debian systems, "apt search x" results are displayed with the the opposite logic -- "installed" is added for the appropriate result. I've only noticed this in the last few years on debian systems, but I'm very glad it's there. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Ho

Re: SEE ALSO fails

2021-10-30 Thread Steve Izma
manager database but assumes that a "real" operating system must restrict the user's freedom to configure a set of utilities as are locally needed. Sounds proprietary to me. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.

Re: Two trivial questions

2021-10-26 Thread Steve Izma
the "gee-roff" camp. > > I'm an n-roff, t-roff, g-roff guy. I still have the docs that I got from > UW-Madison in about 1982 from the CS department, nroff, troff, eqn, pic. > Still useful today. Maybe this is a locale issue as well -- that group of people with a long

Re: [groff] 02/11: doc/groff.texi: Fix style nits.

2021-08-16 Thread Steve Izma
erworked punctuation in English prose and would benefit from unionization and a shorter work week. For improving clarity (always a good thing), I would avoid the abbreviations, as you suggest: > such as (not e.g. or for example) > and > that is (not i.e.) > and >

Re: Find a char in string

2021-06-24 Thread Steve Izma
lled. That's an almost theological concept. Is that documented anywhere? Are there other instances where we can expect something to be created from nothing (i.e., without explicit definition)? -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@go

Re: [groff] 03/09: tmac/an-old.tmac: Stop remapping ` and '.

2020-11-03 Thread Steve Izma
assemble and reassemble the > font). The only thing I added are some name strings. Thanks very much! -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell (text only; not frequently checked): 519-998-2684 == I have al

Re: (off topic?) Docbook? Re: manlint?

2020-09-27 Thread Steve Izma
reserve white space and when do you want it ignored; how flexible can you make the parsing so that you can place the markup less obtrusively in the file to improve the readability of the content; etc. I'd prefer to have these kinds of discussions rather than complaining about how bad everyone e

Re: manlint?

2020-09-14 Thread Steve Izma
nd on account of that anything coded in Docbook is salvageable by all future generations of archeologists, although I'm glad I won't be around to help them out. I'm definitely going to continue to use simple XML to store anything I want the future to see. -- Steve -- Steve I

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-08-05 Thread Steve Izma
On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 08:20:54PM -0500, Dave Kemper wrote: > Subject: Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do > .index in groff?) > > On 7/31/20, Steve Izma wrote: > > When I adjust the kerning (or mortising, if necessary) > > in values

Re: Groff vs Heirloom troff (was Re: Quick question: how to do .index in groff?)

2020-07-31 Thread Steve Izma
o high-quality typography. I should also point out that I think the TeX community is a wonderful group of people. I attended their annual conference a few years ago when it occurred in Toronto and had a really good time. Collaborating and exchanging typographical ideas with them would be of grea

Re: \: re-enables hyphenation--should it?

2020-07-25 Thread Steve Izma
ned differently in groff depending on circumstances? A URL quite possibly breaks assumptions about words that might be rooted in the early 1970s. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell (text only;

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-07-17 Thread Steve Izma
y want the presentation of my writing to be as inviting as possible. Using the --help option on a command line is my preferred way to scan but, of course, when I need more detail about an option your suggestion makes good sense. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, O

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-07-11 Thread Steve Izma
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 09:28:45AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Subject: Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF? > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:26:46AM -0400, Steve Izma wrote: > > I think it's an abomination that a man page extends it's line > >

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-07-10 Thread Steve Izma
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 06:39:32PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Subject: Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF? > > * On 2020 10 Jul 10:27 -0500, Steve Izma wrote: > > I think it's an abomination that a man page extends it's line > > length t

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-07-10 Thread Steve Izma
causes awkward line breaks. Not a huge deal, but > then again, 78 isn't that bad for readability either, in particular > given that there is a left margin of five display columns for mdoc(7) > and seven display columns for man(7) by default. Yes, that's a good point about l

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-07-10 Thread Steve Izma
ely to survive the disappearance of a website or the relocation of pages. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell (text only; not frequently checked): 519-998-2684 == I have always felt the necessity to v

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-07-10 Thread Steve Izma
character maximum width. It's interesting that the Python Style Guide insists on a maximum line length of 79 characters and recommends 72. A basic premise of python design is *readability of code*. The main source of authors for man pages is, I assume, programmers. -- Steve -- Steve I

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-06-16 Thread Steve Izma
:.org/etc, since it's usually better to have the period start the next line in order to emphasize that it's a continuation of the URL rather than the end of a sentence. This might be considered a case of choosing the least ugly solution. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust

Re: Groff macro to make .UR and .UE links clickable in PDF?

2020-06-16 Thread Steve Izma
se them at all but to cite printed material rather than online material, or give complete bibliographic information about the citation and a short reference to the home page of the site. One of the key issues is that a printed work is very likely to outlast the accuracy of a URL, so don'

Re: Why does simply creating a diversion produce output?

2020-05-04 Thread Steve Izma
ular place on the page, then move to that place and output the diversion's contents. In order to prevent partially filled lines going in at the beginning of the diversion, I normally begin a new environment at the start of the diversion. An alternative is to use .box instead of .di. -- S

Re: Why does simply creating a diversion produce output?

2020-05-04 Thread Steve Izma
diversions have nothing to do with page traps. The contents of a diversion aren't output until the diversion is explicityly called. I don't see any code to that effect implied or explicit here. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-

Re: Proposed: drop groffer (was: contrib/groffer/roff2.1.man)

2020-04-21 Thread Steve Izma
th an alias or shell one-liner really > doesn't warrant its own executable. Your humble opinion is concisely stated; I agree with it. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell (text only; not f

Re: [d...@cs.dartmouth.edu: Re: weird \s]

2020-04-04 Thread Steve Izma
ipt (as previously suggested) or something similar to make a modern version. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell (text only; not frequently checked): 519-998-2684 == I have always felt the

Re: weird \s

2020-03-30 Thread Steve Izma
as implemented for groff the very sophisticated debugging trace output that sqtroff provided. But groff has been significantly enhanced since then. Hope this fills in some historical gaps. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.

Re: amusing bug

2020-03-17 Thread Steve Izma
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 02:04:57PM -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote: > Subject: Re: amusing bug > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:37:22PM -0400, Steve Izma wrote: > > : > > For a description of a real antediluvian habit, there's a short > > video somewhere (I can't

Re: amusing bug

2020-03-17 Thread Steve Izma
com/playlist?list=PLzH6n4zXuckqZ90zLyy36qjO5YIn1RulG>. For a description of a real antediluvian habit, there's a short video somewhere (I can't find it now) of him talking about why he doesn't need the Internet while crossing the Atlantic by ship. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Loc

Re: Meeting Minute

2019-11-11 Thread Steve Izma
he second way is generally preferable. Very good point. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 519-998-2684 == I have always felt the necessity to verify what to many seemed a simple multi

Re: Meeting Minute

2019-11-08 Thread Steve Izma
little clearer?: \l'\n[.l]u' It seems to me that using 'u' for units works for every command that takes a linear measurement and number registers always store values as units. Am I missing an advantage to your suggested style? -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locus

[groff] groff and pipes

2019-08-06 Thread Steve Izma
being a filter, but I can't remember where I got the "filter" terminology from. And can anyone tell me why Donald Knuth did not design TeX this way? This has always puzzled me and is the main reason I rarely use it. Thanks, -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust

Re: [groff] anyone seen ".ny0" ?

2019-03-25 Thread Steve Izma
" of SoftQuad, but I doubt very much that that was ever the case. I do know that there was significant communication between him and the SoftQuad technical people during the time that he developed groff. Hardly, I'd say, a niche implementation. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Ho

Re: [groff] anyone seen ".ny0" ?

2019-03-25 Thread Steve Izma
ther > troffs in widespread use at the time (ca. 1985)? That's about the time that SoftQuad troff got off the ground, but my old manual (dated 1988) doesn't list a .ny request. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@

Re: [groff] Announcement and call for project submissions

2019-02-01 Thread Steve Izma
inter. It may be right -- -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 519-998-2684 == One other point is made by Dr. Grinspoon with a quotation from Archibald MacLeish, and it seems the most important consideration of a

Re: [groff] groff as the basis for comprehensive documentation?

2018-04-25 Thread Steve Izma
n't handle all possible situations), but since I'm no longer editing the content all this extra markup isn't interfering with reading the text. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 5

Re: [groff] groff as the basis for comprehensive documentation?

2018-04-25 Thread Steve Izma
ional way of formatting the text for others to correct it (e.g., additional line spacing, wider margins for notes). -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 519-998-2684 A: Because it messes

Re: [groff] More on stripping

2018-03-11 Thread Steve Izma
ehind the code is essential for progress. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 519-998-2684 Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code a

Re: [groff] [Groff] It is time to modernise "groff"

2018-02-21 Thread Steve Izma
d breaks, Also very useful. > Please do not remove the -a option. I agree. I think it should stay. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 519-998-2684 A: Because it messes up the order in w

Re: [groff] [Groff] Unintended impact of strip.sed on om.tmac-u?

2017-11-13 Thread Steve Izma
. But I also frequently need to run a complete version of such large books and I doubt that WYSIWYG programs would be noticeably faster. My experience leads me to believe that groff with either stripped or non-stripped macro packages is no impediment to typographical productivity. -- Steve --

Re: [Groff] devpdf U-fonts and Russian

2017-10-06 Thread Steve Izma
. Can you explain your preference for PostScript a little further? Thanks, -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 519-998-2684 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally re

Re: [Groff] Regarding HTML rendering

2017-08-17 Thread Steve Izma
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:33:12AM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Subject: Re: [Groff] Regarding HTML rendering > > Steve Izma wrote on Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 04:52:56PM -0400: > > > A relatively simple notation like Markdown would also work, > > I agree with all yo

Re: [Groff] Regarding HTML rendering

2017-08-17 Thread Steve Izma
but still insert special typographical instructions either as processing instructions (a last resort) or as attributes to a tag. For example to track kern a paragraph I'll use something like and have my XML parser pass the attribute name and value to the paragraph macro. -- Steve

Re: [Groff] *roff for desktop publishing - is it feasible?

2016-10-25 Thread Steve Izma
; or programmability, or something like that) just seems uninteresting and obscure to those dominating the graphic arts industry today. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada N2H 1W6 E-mail: si...@golden.net phone: 519-745-1313 cell: 519-998-2684 A: Becau

Re: [Groff] groff performance in respect to hardware platform

2016-03-24 Thread Steve Izma
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:21:37PM -0400, Steve Izma wrote: > Subject: Re: [Groff] groff performance in respect to hardware platform > >> ... But I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if groff benefits >> from running on multiple CPU cores and multiple CPUs. >> I assu

Re: [Groff] groff performance in respect to hardware platform

2016-03-23 Thread Steve Izma
ok is tedious. That's why I'm interested in processing speed. Thanks, -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 E-mail: si...@golden.net A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-postin

[Groff] groff performance in respect to hardware platform

2016-03-20 Thread Steve Izma
e sort of a power-to-cost ratio, but the math needed for this isn't obvious to me. I'm also interested in bitmap editing (gimp) and batch processing of bitmaps using convert (imagemagick) or python, but groff is my main concern. Any advice? Thanks, -- Steve -- Steve Izma -

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Markup Language (TML) - a Superset of Groff

2016-01-24 Thread Steve Izma
sn't a blockquote () or an epigraph () but needs special spacing: Text At worst, you can use a processing instruction to force a typographical intervention, and that allows you to instruct the parser to ignore the tag for other purposes: could tell groff to start a new page, fairly

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Steve Izma
small caps, I think, can work for authors' names or running heads in text sizes smaller than the regular text without seeming to be shouting. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Pressp:519-884-0710 ex

Re: [Groff] condition: OR of two string comparisons

2014-11-20 Thread Steve Izma
is going to implement one of the > suggested solutions: It seems that a poll is needed... I agree with Ralph. -- Steve -- Steve Izmast...@press.wlu.ca Computing Systems Administrator 519-884-0710 ext. 6125 Wilfrid Laurier University Pres

Re: [Groff] condition: OR of two string comparisons

2014-11-13 Thread Steve Izma
foo")&(!\\n(.$=2) ... > > is possible? This is something I'd really like to see. As far as I know, at this point such an expression can be numerical only. -- Steve -- Steve Izmast...@press.wlu.ca Computing Systems Administrator

Re: [Groff] underlining

2014-07-07 Thread Steve Izma
me that everything would work much more smoothly if the underline was actually part of the glyph rather than a superimposition of two glyphs. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Pressp:519-884-0710

Re: [Groff] General nroff/troff question regarding .bp and .ne in diversions

2014-06-26 Thread Steve Izma
tory of Medicine 1971. .br .di .if \n[dn]>\n[.t] .bp .nf .bib .fi This assumes that the next trap is the end-of-page (or column) trap. Am I making the right assumptions about what you need here? -- Steve -- Steve Izmast...@press.wlu.ca Computing

Re: [Groff] groff webpage re-design

2014-04-08 Thread Steve Izma
the > mission statement, as an illustration of how groff turns what you write > into what you get? That sounds like a good idea to me. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Pressp:519-884-0710 ext.

Re: [Groff] Mission statement - final

2014-04-05 Thread Steve Izma
of troff in use today, One very minor quibble: you don't need the hyphen after "widely". -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Pressp:519-884-0710 ext. 6125 E-mail: si...@golden.net or st...@

Re: [Groff] Letterspacing

2014-03-27 Thread Steve Izma
;re seriously inhibiting hyphenation... I think many publishers (including the ones I work for) do not like leaving two letters of a word before or after a break. -- Steve Izmast...@press.wlu.ca Computing Systems Administrator 519-884-0710 ext. 6125

Re: [Groff] Letterspacing

2014-03-26 Thread Steve Izma
s I've mentioned before; it's much faster to do it in groff. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Pressp:519-884-0710 ext. 6125 E-mail: si...@golden.net or st...@press.wlu.ca A: Because it messes

[Groff] XML as groff input

2014-03-21 Thread Steve Izma
nt enough to keep it like this which, in my system, is equivalent to: .h1(( This is a long subhead that can go on as may lines as I want, if I'm inelegant enough to keep it like this .h1)) There are a number of other arguments for having opening and closing macros for an element (even f

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, second draft

2014-03-19 Thread Steve Izma
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 07:01:48PM -, Ted Harding wrote: > Subject: Re: [Groff] Mission statement, second draft > > On 19-Mar-2014 05:11:33 Steve Izma wrote: > > But even besides this, TeX is not a filter (so it does play well > > with other filters) and is very nois

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, second draft

2014-03-18 Thread Steve Izma
ts of text. The SoftQuad people put me on to this: .de h1(( .code ... .. .de h1)) .ending code ... .. .de p(( .set a first line indent & handle other stuff .. .de p) .br .maybe unset some stuff .. and so on. There are so many good examples around of the underlying algorithms for page breakin

Re: [Groff] Typesetting dashes

2013-11-20 Thread Steve Izma
comma to a phrase), but more like an operator between two parallel clauses -- like the boolean "and" and "or" between expressions. So it's related to but independent of its surroundings, and using the currently available stretchable word spaces clarify that rela

Re: [Groff] Typesetting dashes

2013-11-18 Thread Steve Izma
ch other than they do to the rest of the words in the phrase they are part of, so pulling them together makes them look almost like a compound word, especially if the spaces on the line are stretched. -- Steve -- Steve Izmast...@press.wlu.ca Comp

Re: [Groff] Typesetting dashes

2013-11-17 Thread Steve Izma
don't see any reason why a dash can't begin a line; it still retains its function as a separation or introduction to a new phrase. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Pressp:519-884-0710

Re: [Groff] Where do we go from here?

2013-11-17 Thread Steve Izma
ind the source of and fix problems so quickly has not only amazed me over the years, it's often helped me to get my typographical work done on time. Thanks again. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Press

Re: [Groff] What does 'groff <<

2012-12-02 Thread Steve Izma
Shell (pdksh under linux). But "<<< word" is called a "Here string" in the bash man page. It's also included in the Mir BSD Korn Shell, which looks like it's going to be the universal replacement for pdksh. The above "echo foo | ..." looks more logica

Re: [Groff] Macro packages

2012-10-04 Thread Steve Izma
;t been able to get comfortable with the syntax for positioning adjustments. -- Steve -- Steve Izmast...@press.wlu.ca Computing Systems Administrator 519-884-0710 ext. 6125 Wilfrid Laurier University Press http://www.wlupress.wlu.ca

Re: [Groff] ps: import of an EPS file with binary data

2012-07-05 Thread Steve Izma
s. Thanks for the above example, Tadziu. Is there an option to resize and crop the input image? That's the main reason I'm trying to use convert, which works with grops if I don't try to reduce file size with the eps2: flag. Thanks, -- Steve -- Steve Izma

[Groff] ps: import of an EPS file with binary data

2012-07-05 Thread Steve Izma
; output. As far as I can tell, the output conforms to PS LanguageLevel 2 (flagged by the "eps2:" prefix in the convert commandline). Is there some other flag or option I've overlooked? Thanks, -- Steve -- Steve Izmast...@press.wlu.ca

[Groff] Groff and computer education

2012-05-12 Thread Steve Izma
art from all the typographical issues he raises, I think it shows how groff is a superior utility because it's a programming language, entirely unlike WYSIWYG systems. -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Pr

Re: [Groff] Eric Raymond on groff and TeX

2012-05-07 Thread Steve Izma
includes a python script for XML parsing is blindingly fast. On my three- or four-year-old computers I can process a 200 page book in a few seconds. This means, using vi, for example, that you can make a correction in a file, hit a memory key that runs the groff pipeline, and have a postscript

Re: [Groff] Eric Raymond on groff and TeX

2012-05-05 Thread Steve Izma
bilities. The so-called justification routines used in ePubs is horrendous (they don't bother with hyphenation, unless the broken word from the original print version has been inadvertently left in). -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6p:519-745-1313 Work: Wil

Re: [Groff] groff 1.21 released

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Izma
ate your efforts, Werner. Thanks and all the best for the new year. -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6 p:519-745-1313 FAX:519-579-9872 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Press p:519-884-0710 ext. 6125 E-mail: si...@golden.net or st...@press.wlu.ca A: Because it messes up the

Re: [Groff] Copy register value to another register?

2010-05-30 Thread Steve Izma
ing the register from within a macro. If you don't, you get the current position at the time that the macro is being defined, which is likely to be before any output has occurred. The current position on a page before any output or any breaks is always -1, i.e., a value less than zero. The po

Re: [Groff] French punctuation

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Izma
nly difference between that file in 1.20.1 and the previous version is the removal of a comment character before \patterns{. Is there something else I should be checking? Does it have anything to do with utf-8 or preconv? Thanks, -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kit

Re: [Groff] Kernpairs and hyphenation

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Izma
d earlier that I've used this version since September on hundreds of pages and it works well and definitely solved the hyphenation/kerning problems I had. Thanks again. -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6 p:519-745-1313 FAX:519-579-9872 Work: Wilfrid Laurier Universi

Re: [Groff] Filling the last line before new indent

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Izma
of the mailing list); I think all you need to do is start a new environment before resetting the indent (or doing anything else that causes a break). The main text will be buffered. However, the indent will occur a line earlier then in your current situation. -- Steve -- Steve Izma

Re: [Groff] hyphenation differences between fonts

2009-09-08 Thread Steve Izma
your observation, and I'll debug the problem soon. > > This is fixed now in the CVS, I hope. The patch changes just a single > digit (see below). Please test. > ... Thanks very much, Werner, it appears to work now. I'll do more thorough testing over the next two days.

[Groff] hyphenation differences between fonts

2009-09-05 Thread Steve Izma
ry. But why should pair kerning matter in the hyphenation procedure? Or am I missing something here? -- Steve -- Steve Izma - Home: 35 Locust St., Kitchener N2H 1W6 p:519-745-1313 FAX:519-579-9872 Work: Wilfrid Laurier University Press p:519-884-0710 ext. 6125 E-mail: si...@golden.net or st...@

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