Re: [gentoo-user] Static entries in /proc and /dev

2013-03-24 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
y / and I do a "ls /proc", I get nothing. > 2. What are the non-udev entries in /dev. IIRC its console and zero. I've been using console, null and tty1 for years, but I don't even know if they are still necessary. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ing

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
is openrc just a dead project is that why?" Is not dead; it has new releases and stuff. Just not many features are implemented to it, and it has some pretty awkward bugs, some of them years old, like not being able to start services in parallel. It's obviously better that SysV. From

Re: [gentoo-user] kmod <> module-init-tools + udev-171-r10

2013-03-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
If you emerge kmod with the "tools" USE flag, then it is a drop-in replacement of module-init-tools (minus a couple of deprecated command line flags). In other words, yes, is fully supported by older releases of udev. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería d

Re: [gentoo-user] dev-libs/folks-0.4.3 fails to emerge

2013-04-08 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
your system? /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/telepathy-glib.pc /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/dbus-glib-1.pc /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/gio-2.0.pc /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/gee-1.0.pc One of those is missing or with the wrong information, according to your logs. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Inge

Re: [gentoo-user] dev-libs/folks-0.4.3 fails to emerge

2013-04-08 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
four vapi files, and that the ones for dbus-glib-1 and gio-2.0 exists for all your versions of the Vala compiler. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] dev-libs/folks-0.4.3 fails to emerge

2013-04-08 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Hoffman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Andrew Hoffman >> wrote: >> > Canek, >> > I have those files in /usr/lib/pkgc

Re: [gentoo-user] dev-libs/folks-0.4.3 fails to emerge

2013-04-08 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Andrew Hoffman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Hoffman >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013

Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3.8 - has anybody tried to unmask it

2013-04-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464944 Don't top-post, please, even if it's the default for GMail. I also got it unmasked since last week; but I'm using systemd, so suspend works as well as usual ;) Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de

Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3.8 - has anybody tried to unmask it

2013-04-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote: > 2013/4/9 Canek Peláez Valdés >> >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Michael Hampicke >> wrote: >> > Sure, I have 3.8 running since about one week. Almost everything works. >> > One >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3.8 - has anybody tried to unmask it

2013-04-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Michael Hampicke >> wrote: >> > Sure, I have 3.8 running since about one week. Almost everything works. One >> > thing that does not work any more is

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd: "Smack is not enabled in the kernel, not loading access rules"

2013-04-11 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
Depends on: NETLABEL [=n] && SECURITY_NETWORK [=n] > │ (1) -> Security options > > > Nothing about it at gentoo documentation. > > But, first of all, do I really have to carry about it? My system is petty > good even without it. systemd can support SMACK policies (

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-19 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
d it just works with a couple clicks from my mouse (if at all). So if you don't need it, good for you that you can remove PA from your system. For the *general case* (not necessarily the *most used*, but the one that covers the *most* use cases), PA is the best solution available. And a

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-20 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
equire PA is another thing altogether. This is, after all, the XXI century. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] login to gnome fails

2013-04-21 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
GNOME, and I didn't logout until I upgraded. I removed the PS1 override, and everything just worked again. So, just to discard this particular case, you should check your environment variables. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
for the reasons stated above. And by the way, this is also true for Gentoo: it cannot support all different sets of possible configurations, no matter how hard they/we try. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
r and are getting ready to release 4.0? And that systemd/udev has dozens of contributors, from (basically) all the distributions, and that several of them are kernel developers? You may not like the *design* of the stuff, but you certainly can't complaint about the *quality* of it. You are not being forced to anything: in the worst case you can patch all the programs you use, the code is out there. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > 'afternoon, Canek! Hi Alan. > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> [snip] >> > Somebody reported that pulseaudi

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Canek. > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> Hi Alan. > >> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:3

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ppily use the projects where he participates. Like the kernel, for example. Please don't talk like you represent anyone but yourself. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] why my system is keeping old kernel around?

2013-04-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
e that). You can rm -rf the old versions safely. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ts. You are plainly wrong, and the proof of that is that many developers in the Linux stack (from kernel to user applications, passing through distributions including Gentoo) are simply not listening to users like yourself. And that many users (like me) support them. You may not like that; but arguing here (or any other place) will not change it. Only people doing the coding get to have a say in the matter. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 28/04/2013 18:11, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> What we complain about here is basic low-level software changes that >>> > affect much more than just their own little universe, and will do it ON >>> &g

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
lume slider for all the applications using audio. Just adjust as necessary. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: >> > Hi. I have not used pulseaudio at all, but with gnome 3.8 I guess it >> > must be there, but when I try to play a sound using either mplay

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: >> > Hi. I have not used pulseaudio at all, but with gnome 3.8 I guess it >> > must be there, but when I try to play a sound using either mplay

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:39 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM, wrote: >> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: >> >> > Hi. I have not used puls

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:08 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM, wrote: >> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: >> >> > Hi. I have not used puls

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:57 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:08 PM, wrote: >> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM, wrote: >> >> > Canek Peláez Valdés

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:35 AM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:57 PM, wrote: >> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:08 PM, wrote: >> >> > Canek Peláez Valdés

Re: [gentoo-user] problem trying to play sound when pulse audio is enabled

2013-04-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
nd, I don't think PA can work properly. Could you please set your system to the default setup (doing a backup of the relevant files)? Leave the permissions of /dev/snd/* as the kernel sets them, use the original configuration files under /etc/pulse, and don't use the system-wide PA daemon.

Re: [gentoo-user] Libreoffice Compile

2013-05-11 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ge -k libreoffice Just make sure the CHOST and CFLAGS on both machines are the same. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Libreoffice Compile

2013-05-11 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Silvio Siefke wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> is there a way that i can compile Libreoffice on my Desktop System and >> copy to the Netbook? Because the netbook need lon

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome not working

2013-05-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ybe someone can figure that out. > Its at http://pastebin.com/JJrdxWHB . Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome not working

2013-05-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
but it has > problems with mounting my lvm volumes (after failing it's stuck, > ctrl+alt+del has no effect, and magic sysrq seems to be deactived?). I > think a saw a bug report regarding systemd/lvm. > > I may try it again in a few days. There have been some updates to > systemd lat

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome not working

2013-05-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
d as device manager if you want GNOME 3.8, which is believe >> > it or not, the thing that Ubuntu did. >> >> Do you have systemd/logind installed? > > Nope, sure don't. None of the ebuilds pulled it in. But what about > startx? Would I need logind to do that? When you use startx, what does your .xinitrc have? Try with only exec gnome-session Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] dracut vs. genkernel

2013-06-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ot; done /usr/bin/dracut -f -H -I "${FIRMWARE}" /boot/initrd-${KVER} ${KVER} I use this command to generate my GRUB2 config: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg Everything just works. However, I don't use LVM, and I don't use t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't find init due to inconsistent drive order

2013-07-01 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
rd drives -- and I never saw > drive order change from one reboot to the next until today. That's > quite a lucky streak. Since Linus started writing Linux in 1991 (22 years ago), I want to know which time machine did you use. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager

2013-07-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
, when was the last time you heard about a problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning* NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems with NM. > You should not use software like that. You should do a little more research before saying something l

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager

2013-07-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM, András Csányi wrote: > On 15 July 2013 21:08, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > >> On 15/07/2013 18:44, András Csányi wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>&g

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
.1.11-r3 requires sys-auth/consolekit > x11-misc/slim-1.3.5-r2 requires sys-auth/consolekit > > > So, what to do? Obviously, I don't want an unbootable system. > > How did you resolve this conflict? > > Many thanks for a hint, > Helmut -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
me). And, as Mark already linked[1]: "ConsoleKit is currently not actively maintained. The focus has shifted to the built-in seat/user/session management of Software/systemd called systemd-loginctl", I would not really count on these packages supporting CK in the future. Regards. [1] http

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:31 AM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, wrote: >> [ snip ] >> > I have several things depending on consolekit: >> > >> > sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: &

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
dn't it be better to switch to systemd instead? > > Is there a migration guide? According to google there is no any. (or I > haven't spend enough time to search) You have the wiki: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd I believe it covers the most important aspects of the migration. Also, it is so much easier now; we even have a stable version on systemd in the tree. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
of people like Fabio Erculiani, right now is kinda easy to switch back and forth between systemd and OpenRC. In Sabayon (a Gentoo derivative) you can actually choose at boot time wich init to use. I would say try it now, when it is relatively easy to switch. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-24 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:04 AM, András Csányi wrote: >> > On 23 July 2013 08:54, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> >> On 23/07/13 08:43, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> >>> &

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd and static network

2013-07-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ervice where DEV is enp0s0, or whatever funny name udev gives to your network card. I think I got the unit from Arch, or maybe I wrote; I honestly don't remember. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] [systemd vs consolekit] packagekit-base

2013-07-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
use Unity, the DE by Canonical for Ubuntu, the last thing you want is systemd. Canonical/Ubuntu is pretty clear on the fact that they support Upstart, not systemd. And lastly, why do you want/need PackageKit? It worked horribly with portage, last time I tried some years ago. If you use GNOME you nee

[gentoo-user] Re: Systemd and static network

2013-07-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Jonathan Callen wrote: > On 07/25/2013 11:42 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Michael Hampicke >> wrote: >>> What do you use - and what are the benefits of your method? >> >> I use the

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Jul 27, 2013 4:44 PM, "walt" wrote: > > First hint: it's a mess -- don't do it on a critical machine. > (My main machine is ~amd64 and that's why I'm doing it on virtual > ~amd64 machines first.) > > The new gnome-shell demands that systemd be installed, even if you > don't intend to use it. >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Jul 27, 2013 5:57 PM, "walt" wrote: > > On 07/27/2013 03:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > And actually, the long term plan is for systemd --user to basically > > replace gnome-session-manager, > > Is Lennart part of the gnome project now? ;) He has been

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:56 PM, walt wrote: > On 07/27/2013 03:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> And actually, the long term plan is for systemd --user to basically >> replace gnome-session-manager, > > Is Lennart part of the gnome project now? ;) > >> so

[gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
[2] https://github.com/canek-pelaez/gentoo-systemd-only [3] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote: > Am 28.07.2013 10:07, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >> Am 28.07.2013 10:04, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >> >>> The only "special" thing I'm doing is to mask >sys-apps/systemd-204, >>> s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Mark Pariente wrote: > On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 11:16 -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote: >> > Am 28.07.2013 10:07, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >> >> Am 28.07.2013 10:0

Re: [gentoo-user] a couple of systemd questions

2013-07-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
rallel. > Also, I do want an interactive boot like the I -- is confirm-spawn the > way to do this? Yes; you need to specify it on GRUB, LILO, or whatever boot loader you use, although I've never used it. > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrad

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
Although I update my systems always with --deep and --newuse. Also, I would do the whole shebang in a one step, removing all the masked packages you did. You can try to boot to multi-user.target instead of graphical.target, if you want to test that systemd works correctly independently of GNOME. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

2013-07-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
x27;m pretty sure most of them, if not all, will fail with OpenRC. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] conf.d/net and systemd

2013-07-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
le (which calls a script for all of them), or with several (a service file for each thing), and which depends on the external network. You then not need to install anything else. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote: > On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> William Hubbs closed bug #409385[1] as fixed, introducing >> virtual/service-manager and adding it to the @system set, and dropping >> OpenRC from baselayou

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote: >> >> On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote: >> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
testing them in their machines), the coverage is going to grow even faster. Regards. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM, wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, wrote: >> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, Ju

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM, wrote: > First and foremost, thank you Canek. > > On Tue, Jul 30 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, wrote: >> >>> I am a gnome-3 user, who wants to continue with gnome-3. >>> [ I des

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge >> thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his >> co-maintainer added

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
from our systems, we need to add /etc/init.d to INSTALL_MASK. For the record, I now think it's a waste of time trying to stop the installation of tiny files that basically do nothing, either in /usr/lib/systemd/system or in /etc/init.d, but you have the option if you so desire. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Graham Murray wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés writes: > >> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's >> CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but anywa

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31 2013, Graham Murray wrote: > >> Canek Peláez Valdés writes: >> >>> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >>> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Pe

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >> If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that >> depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many >> packages wi

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
one that is > not clear. Should you have --update ? I would do it, just in case. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
m), and therefore one of those locations will have files that don't actually do nothing. Unless you use INSTALL_MASK, which is of course what this is all about. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
s the space used in /usr/lib/systemd (and that includes binaries like systemd itself and systemd-udev). acero ~ # du -sh /usr/share/man 82M /usr/share/man acero ~ # du -sh /usr/lib/systemd/ 3.6M /usr/lib/systemd/ And /usr/share/doc is 2.5G in my laptop. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> > Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of >> > the statements made here about systemd - tha

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote: >>> >>> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Whingin

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 19:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>>> ... >>>> If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except >>>> functions.sh) don't actually do nothing. >>&

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller >> wrote: >>> >>> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> ... >>>>

Re: [gentoo-user] how to tell you are using systemd?

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
gt; Check /proc/1/comm or something like that, IIRC... Yep: if grep -q systemd /proc/1/comm; then echo systemd else echo "not systemd" fi Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-08-01 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 02:00:23AM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> You need an OpenRC use flag to install OpenRC init scripts? That's >> simply a li

Re: [gentoo-user] Recent 'breakage' of kernel module auto-loading?

2013-08-01 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
d.d/fuse.conf, with the single line "fuse" (don't use tun). That works with systemd, but I think they were thinking in adding support for modules-load.d in OpenRC. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Vesa/Uvesa still the way for Frame buffer

2013-08-02 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ol: FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT [=y] │ > │ Type : boolean │ > │ Selected by: FB_VESA [=y] && HAS_IOMEM [=y] && FB [=y]=y && | > | X86 [=y] || FB_INTEL [=n] && HAS │ First: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/uvesafb.txt Second: what card do you use? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world output seems a bit short on info

2013-08-02 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
;=sys-libs/libselinux-2.1.13-r4 static-libs What profile does your installation have? If I'm not mistaken, only the hardened profiles set USE="selinux" by default. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do I really need 194 pkgs to install git?

2013-08-03 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
/usr/bin/ acero ~ # du -sh /bin/ 8.7M /bin/ acero ~ # du -sh /usr/sbin/ 32M /usr/sbin/ acero ~ # du -sh /sbin/ 6.2M /sbin/ acero ~ # du -sh /usr/lib64/ 2.2G /usr/lib64/ acero ~ # du -sh /lib64/ 45M /lib64/ 2.6 GB in total. Also: acero ~ # du -sh /usr/share/doc 2.5G /usr/share/doc You will

Re: [gentoo-user] Complete list of USE flags?

2013-08-04 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ee all global USE flags are listed in: /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc The local USE flags are listed in: /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] installing systemd

2013-08-05 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
r), you cannot use GDM nor GNOME after you uninstall it and until you install systemd and reboot with it. Strange things will happen if you do. Login via ssh and VT will work as usual. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] installing systemd

2013-08-05 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:59 PM, wrote: > On Mon, Aug 05 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:26 PM, wrote: >>> (I brought an old system upto the state of my real one and am trying to >>> follow the wiki for converting to systemd). >&g

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Au revoir, gnome-3.8

2013-08-07 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
.org/sys-apps/systemd-units or in https://github.com/mgorny/gentoo-systemd-units or in https://github.com/mkszuba/systemd-gentoo-units or even perhaps in the packages of other distributions. With systemd is usually easy to adapt the unit files, and sometimes even to use them directly. And in particular, all the GNOME stack includes their necessary unit files. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Au revoir, gnome-3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
and migrating to systemd; but I haven't gotten the time. I would recommend to install the base system (without GNOME), migrating to systemd (which should be relatively easy without GNOME), and then installing GNOME. If you do it when GNOME 3.8 is stable, it should be even easier. If you do it, please let us know how it went. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
e than a year in an overlay, and then it took more than two years to make it an official alternative to OpenRC. The /usr merge will take a similar amount of time, if not longer. But it's good to know that you can do the merge now; thanks for sharing your experiment. Regards. -- Canek Peláez

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: > 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés >> >> I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little >> gain, at least currently. >> > Thank you! >> >> The next council meeting will vot

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-08-16 8:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: >> >> 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés mailto:can...@gmail.com>> >> >> >> I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little >

Re: [gentoo-user] ceph and a possible python problem

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
n the source. With this version of ceph they have replaced the > "ceph" binary with a python script so its quite different from the older > version which works. They target mainly centos and ubuntu/debian so I > will have to keep looking. Have you tried a simple: python3 /usr/bin/ceph Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
t be done while the system is running. And really, maybe you could try an initramfs? It will be much more easy than any juggle of filesystems. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > Thanks for the reply Canek > > > On 2013-08-16 10:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >> If you have physical access to the system, > > > I do. > > >> and a large enough /, > > > Well..

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks

2013-08-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ks2, but you have a USE flag that pulls udisks1? In GNOME, if you have gvfs with the gdu USE flag, it pulls libgdu, which pulls udisks1. But you don't actually need it; everything is covered by the udisks USE flag (which pulls udisks2). Do a "equery depends udisks" and see what is pulling udisks1. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks

2013-08-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
USE="-avahi -doc -gnome-keyring" 0 > kB > [ebuild R] gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3-r1 USE="cdda gdu http udev > -afp -archive -avahi -bluetooth -bluray -doc -fuse -gnome-keyring > -gphoto2 -ios -samba (-udisks)" 0 kB Why is the udisks USE flag masked for gvfs? Try

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
uys) supporting that decision, don't you think that perhaps, just *perhaps*, everybody screaming about the sky falling (which, BTW, they are certainly noisy, but I really don't think are that many) are overreacting and even (*gasp* again) wrong? Just something to think about it. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] how can I pause emerge after it finish running configure or cmake and before it do any compilation?

2013-08-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
AM, 东方巽雷 wrote: > I need to change some arguments in Makefile. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks

2013-08-19 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
t;>>> I think you should log a bug now at b.g.o. and let the devs tell you >>>> what's really going on >>>> with your selections. >>> >>> Will do, and I'll report back with the results. >>> >>> Thanks, Grant &g

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:17 AM, pk wrote: > On 2013-08-19 04:55, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> Probably for exactly the same reason you or anyone else uses Gentoo; >> USE flags, portage, you can customize at your hearts content... > > USE flags, in my mind,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
less than 512KB); you don't want the profile "solution" for technical reasons, you want it for political reasons. That is not going to happen, and the (majority of) Gentoo maintainers (including the council) already stated that, if you don't want systemd unit files "polluting" your system, please use INSTALL_MASK. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-08-18 10:55 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >> And, putting aside systemd and getting back on topic to the council's >> decision of (eventually) not supporting separated /usr without an >> initramfs; h

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