Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Frameworks 6 window management

2024-09-24 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 24 September 2024 18:11:09 BST Michael wrote: > I can't claim to understand this, but happy with the result all the same. Best just to put it down to the vagaries of GTK2 in a plama environment. :) -- Regards, Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Matt Jolly
On 24/9/24 19:46, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: Do you specifically use the closed-source drivers, though? Yes. In both the 'kernel-open' and regular flavours.

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Matt Jolly
Hi Alan, On 25/9/24 04:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Perhaps. As already said, I would have been much less jumpy if the explanations which have come in this thread had been in a news item. As has been mentioned here this was not news-worthy. There is no decision to make or mandatory migration. Us

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:11:14PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you > think we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems > suddenly break? > > :( I was around way back when "ipv6" became the default. I was using Firefox b

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/24/24 6:00 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:11:14PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > >> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you >> think we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems >> suddenly break? >> >> :( > > I was around way back whe

Re: What is what (Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!)

2024-09-24 Thread Wols Lists
On 24/09/2024 19:32, k...@aspodata.se wrote: So should computer words be defined by non-professionals or thoose who knows ? Well, before computers, I thought servers worked in restaurants ... (And what the hell are thoose :-) One effect of letting non-professionals define words is the case w

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/24/24 8:34 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> The context of this discussion was an implication that the Gentoo >>> maintainers wouldn't make a change "that made everyone's systems >>> suddenly break". I submitted a bug report about --depclean back in >>> the summer of 2021 (though I can't find th

What is what (Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!)

2024-09-24 Thread karl
Wol: > On 23/09/2024 23:53, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > It's just the pc hoard that thinks a server is some machine handling (that should be horde, not hoard even though it sounds funny...) > > databases, mail, files, printers or what > > In other words, X uses the words the other way round than m

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Wols Lists
On 23/09/2024 23:53, k...@aspodata.se wrote: It's just the pc hoard that thinks a server is some machine handling databases, mail, files, printers or what In other words, X uses the words the other way round than most people - what I said. Doesn't mean the majority are right! As far as I'm a

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE Frameworks 6 window management

2024-09-24 Thread Michael
On Thursday 5 September 2024 14:22:54 BST you wrote: > Since I upgraded to KDE Frameworks 6 I have observed some rather unwanted > window behaviours. > > 1. Window Interaction with Gkrellm > > DESIRED BEHAVIOUR: > == > I have Gkrellm started up by Plasma at login and placed at the

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Arsen Arsenović
Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hello, Eli. > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 18:54:50 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: >> On 9/23/24 6:08 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> >> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you think >> >> we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems suddenly br

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Arsen. On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 13:40:57 +0200, Arsen Arsenović wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: [ ] > >> So, @system requires you to have any one of: > >> - openrc > >> - openrc-navi (a testing fork with openrc user services) > >> - s6 > >> - systemd > >> - runit > >> - daemontools

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Mitchell Dorrell
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 9:13 PM Matt Jolly wrote: > On 24/9/24 10:52, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: > > > I run a four-monitor system using NVIDIA's closed-source drivers. Last > > I heard, Wayland did not work with such a combination. Has that > > changed? > > I run several 3-monitor NVIDIA setups on W

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Dr Rainer Woitok
Alan, On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 22:08:56 + you wrote: > ... > For example, emerge > --depclean on my system wants to unmerge openrc. Not a deliberate move > by the developers, just some accident. But it's the reason I don't do > emerge --depclean, ever

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Eli. On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 11:15:10 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/24/24 7:30 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: [ ] > >> It's possible you have installed another one of these packages too. If > >> you do, then virtual/service-manager will still be satisfied, and it > >> will allow you t

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/24/24 2:53 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Regarding the daemontools situation: > >> """ >> for example with --depclean preserving packages in system, as well as world >> """ > >> Is not a valid suggestion, since --depclean already does precisely this, >> but openrc isn't a package in system, i

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/24/24 7:30 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> This should not generally be possible. The @system set contains >> virtual/service-manager, so you cannot depclean that. > > It is very much possible, and it happens. The mechanism is understood, > you've outlined it below. Clearly, since I said it i

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Eli. On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 11:24:14 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/24/24 8:34 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >>> The context of this discussion was an implication that the Gentoo > >>> maintainers wouldn't make a change "that made everyone's systems > >>> suddenly break". I submitted a b

[gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Eli. On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 18:54:50 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/23/24 6:08 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you think > >> we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems suddenly break? > > It happens, from time t