On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
[ snip ]
> From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
> advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
> OpenRC. Someone enlighten me please?
I wrote the following some months ago; I th
I'm running a nfs server on my machine, the server starts fine without
any problems, but when I try
mount localhost:/path/to/share /mountpoint
I get mount.nfs: cannot allocate memory and the funniest part is the
system has lot's of free memory.
That's for nfsv4, if I try vers=3 option I get stal
On 24/12/12 17:05, Teodor Spæren wrote:
It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added
512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem.
I would forget about it. It was possible in the days of GCC 3 and 2.95.
Unless you don't care that emerging a complete system will
On 12/25/2012 03:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
> [ snip ]
>> From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
>> advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
>> OpenRC. Someone enlight
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:58:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on
> inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there
> is only the system, and it is an atomic unit.
Yes, you need to run an encrypted root but don't
On 2012-12-24, Bruce Hill wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>>
>> Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some
>> time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details.
>>
>> So, if the udev you use is OK with no initrd
Am 23.12.2012 20:23, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com:
>
> I have since had some time to explore this and find it related to the
> kernel; 3.6.10 works fine, while 3.7.1 fails. If I reset during the
> 3.7.1 boot while it is spewing its error messages, but before the
> kernel ultimately panics, I can reb
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>
> No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
> that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is "why?
> because it won't work") and links to an article that explains why some
> udev rules wo
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:38:30PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Bruce Hill wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote:
> >> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
> >> Bruce Hill wrote:
> >>
> >>> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
> >>> Somewhere, sometime, for s
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> day, even a temporary outage means the CIO, COO, and CEO breathing down
> your neck.
Who is
On Dec 25, 2012 3:04 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury
wrote:
> [ snip ]
> > From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
> > advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
> > OpenRC. Someon
On Dec 25, 2012 8:07 AM, "Bruce Hill"
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >
> > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> > day, even a temporary outage means
On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>>
>> No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
>> that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is "why?
>> because it won't work") and links to an articl
On 2012-12-25, Michael Mol wrote:
> Now, question: could I not create a "/usr" service and make things
> dependent on /usr come after it's been mounted? That seems the single, core
> missing piece.
This suffices for /usr on regular partitions. The problem is with more
complex stuff which, I assum
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> [ snip ]
> * Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
> small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9
> lines of sshd.service:
>
> $ cat /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service
> [Unit]
> Desc
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:53:33AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:07:04AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
>
> > emerge -av app-text/wgetpaste && wgetpaste /path/to/3.6/.config
> > /path/to/3.7/.config
>
> 3.6.10 .config -- http://bpaste.net/show/66307/
> 3.7.1 .config -- h
On Dec 25, 2012 8:07 PM, "Bruce Hill"
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >
> > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> > day, even a temporary outage means
On Dec 25, 2012 4:14 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" wrote:
>
> On 24/12/12 17:05, Teodor Spæren wrote:
>>
>> It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added
>> 512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem.
>
>
> I would forget about it. It was possible in the days of GCC 3 an
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
written once and don't change or get erased. No MythTV stuff
* Florian Philipp [121225 07:16]:
> Am 23.12.2012 20:23, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com:
> >
> > I have since had some time to explore this and find it related to the
> > kernel; 3.6.10 works fine, while 3.7.1 fails. If I reset during the
> > 3.7.1 boot while it is spewing its error messages, but bef
Bruce Hill wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:38:30PM -0600, Dale wrote:
>> Bruce Hill wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
Bruce Hill wrote:
> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
> Somew
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
> We're on the road, getting ready to pack, and not in a good position to do
> much on this issue atm.
Nevertheless, a most unexpected Christmas present! In progress, and thank you.
My dilemna certainly isn't urgent, since 3.6.10 still
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>Merry Christmas to all.
>
>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
> are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>>> No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
>>> that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is "why?
>>> because it won't work"
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:58:54AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
> A me too on the problem the original poster is seeing.
>
> I too am seeing this on a server I have. 3.7.0 and 3.7.1 both don't work
> but 3.6.10 works fine.
>
> I'm using the sata_mv driver with a SuperMicro (two actually) cards wit
Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
> Hi,
>Merry Christmas to all.
>
>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
> are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
> writt
* Bruce Hill [121224 21:17]:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:54:08PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
> > > Bruce Hill wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
> > >> Somewhere,
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
>> I'm just wondering if there's a better choice & why.
>
> For your usage, I think ext3 is the most suitable.
>
> Do
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
> Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
that has been repeated several times in this thread (which
Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
>> Hi,
>>Merry Christmas to all.
>>
>>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
>> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
>> are around 1GB. The drive holds only stati
On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>
>>>With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
>>> I'm just wondering if there's a better choice & why.
>
>>
>> Fo
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:51:20AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote
> It does a few other things ... attached it here as its not that long.
Thanks. The mdev setup has always required "CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y". The
other stuff (that udev-mount does) appears to be similar to what mdev
does at bootup, a
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
>
>>
>> Quoting from Gentoo news item:
> Which was exactly the thing I was commenting on above, ok.
>
> [...]
>> Now are you saying the Gentoo devs are lying to us? Careful now. Could
>> end up on a slippery slope and bump your head. That says any
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>
With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
I'm just wondering if there's a bett
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
> On Dec 25, 2012 3:04 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury
>> wrote:
>> [ snip ]
>> > From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
>> > advantages it really offers
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> [ snip ]
>> * Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
>> small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9
>> lines of sshd.servic
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>
With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
>>>
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
> Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
[...]
>>> I might add, I have ALWAYS had a separate /usr. Darn near a decade
>>> now. It has never failed to boot because /usr was on a separate
>>> partition. NOT ONCE. Now I am told it is going to fail. Go figur
Am 25.12.2012 19:26, schrieb Mark Knecht:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Michael Orlitzky
> wrote:
>> On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>>
>With the previous
Am 25.12.2012 18:15, schrieb Dale:
> Florian Philipp wrote:
>> Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
>>> Hi,
>>>Merry Christmas to all.
>>>
>>>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
>>> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
>>
Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 25.12.2012 18:15, schrieb Dale:
>> Florian Philipp wrote:
>>> Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One lar
2012/12/25 Mark Knecht :
>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
> are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
> written once and don't change or get erased. No MythTV stuf
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> I used initrd's many years ago, and separate /usr and/ until on a redhat
> system I rebooted with an out of sequence initrd and kernel on a
> critical server (the sort of thing that puts your employment at risk
> when there are 20 odd
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>
>> I used initrd's many years ago, and separate /usr and/ until on a redhat
>> system I rebooted with an out of sequence initrd and kernel on a
>> critical server (the sort of thing that puts your employment at ri
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:33:34 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Putting /usr on LVM is not the problem. I have had /usr on LVM for a
> good long while now. It has booted just fine. The new udev is what is
> going to break it, whether I use LVM or not from what has been said on
> this list and elsewhere.
I'
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:23:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into
> making my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating
> hierarchies by hand and populating them with files and then compressing
> it. All that drives me nuts. It
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 22:46 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
> I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning.
>
> But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug.
> It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool
> chain.
>
> I tried with various options, like reducing make job
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:33:34 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> Putting /usr on LVM is not the problem. I have had /usr on LVM for a
>> good long while now. It has booted just fine. The new udev is what is
>> going to break it, whether I use LVM or not from what has been said on
>> t
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
> I would suggest you run "lspci -nnk" with your running 3.6.10 kernel and save
> that output. Then go into the kernel source directory for 3.7.1, run "make
> mrproper" then "make defconfig" and enable all the kernel drivers listed in
> t
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:23:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into
>> making my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating
>> hierarchies by hand and populating them with
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:42:22 -0600, Dale wrote:
> > I've been running separate /usr on LVM with ~arch udev and no
> > initramfs on a couple of systems with no problems. The news item is
> > taking the easy way out by saying "it will break" rather than "it may
> > break" - such breakage is by no me
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
> > Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
> > initramfs and set CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE to the path top this file.
> > That and an init script are all
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> > The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
>> > Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
>> > initramfs and set CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE to
fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
>
>> I would suggest you run "lspci -nnk" with your running 3.6.10 kernel and save
>> that output. Then go into the kernel source directory for 3.7.1, run "make
>> mrproper" then "make defconfig" and enable all t
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
>
>
> root@fireball / # egrep 'usb-db|pci-db|FROM_DATABASE|/usr' /*/udev/rules.d/*
> [...]
>> $$D; printf %%03i:%%03i $$B $$D'", RUN+="/bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/python
>> /usr/bin/hp-check-plugin -m %c &'"
>> /lib/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud_plugin.rules:SUBSY
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:17:24 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>
> Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't fail
> to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here, right? One
> is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, other is the issue
> described on the URL lin
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
initramfs and set CON
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
> The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
> Create a plain text config file det
Paul Colquhoun wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:17:24 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't fail
>
> > to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here, right? One
>
> > is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, othe
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 04:20:23PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> This is what I would try:
> ...
> Maybe that will help. At least get you to a console. That alone makes
> fixing something else easier.
Checked all that -- it boots into the same ATA driver failures as the
bloated version of the kernel.
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM, wrote:
> Google does not enlighten me. One suggestion was change the SATA cable, but
> this is definitely a change from 3.6.10 to 3.7.1.
I can't find where I read it, but just yesterday I was reading a
somewhat recent LKML post which mentioned SATA errors intro
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:51:43AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
> >
> > Same question ... initrd.gz and initramfs are *not* the same thing; and
> > there
> > was a package called mkinitrd in Gentoo that was retired to attic some time
> > ago, before my exodus from Slackware to Gentoo; therefore, I
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> > >
> > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> > > day, even a temporary outage means the CIO, COO, and CEO breathing down
> > >
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
>> Create a
fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 04:20:23PM -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> This is what I would try:
>> ...
>> Maybe that will help. At least get you to a console. That alone makes
>> fixing something else easier.
> Checked all that -- it boots into the same ATA driver failures as the
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 06:03:12PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Is it possible that you have two SATA drivers enabled and the two
> conflict each other? I read, I think on this list, where someone had to
> disable one driver for the correct driver to work. You may want to go here:
>
> http://kmuto.jp/d
On Dec 26, 2012 6:35 AM, "Bruce Hill"
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > > > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million
USD per
> > > > day, even a tempora
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 01:11:04PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote:
> The best way to find out what's wrong is to bisect the kernel, i.e.
> finding the exact commit that caused the issue to appear.
>
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_git-bisect
Got the repository cloned:
# git clone
git://
On Dec 26, 2012 3:05 AM, "Carlos Hendson" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 22:46 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
> > I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning.
> >
> > But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug.
> > It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool
> > c
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>> > >
>> > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
>> > > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
>> > > day, even a tempora
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
>>> > > multinational company that has a reven
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