On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 08:25:12PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote
> I think the two of you are talking past each other. What did Arsen mean
> by "the vague concept of IPv6"? I suspect he meant:
>
> You are trying to solve a concrete user issue with your browsing.
Correct.
> Your idea of how to sol
On 9/25/24 6:21 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> There is no reason to disable IPv6 support, as Eli said (especially if
>> yo do not know _what_ you're trying to disable, and are just trying to
>> blanket-disable a vague concept of IPv6).
>
> This is *NOT* about a "vague concept". This is about solvin
On 2024-09-24 21:42:23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>
> Please do not disable the USE=ipv6, as that is *utterly* insane. It also
> does approximately nothing. In packages which support this USE flag,
> which is rare, it causes the code to use old, untested APIs which only
> support ipv4, rather than new,
On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 01:53:49PM +0200, Arsen Arsenović wrote
> I suspect your Firefox anecdote happened due to misconfiguration
> (I think network.http.fast-fallback-to-IPv4 dictates the use of this
> algorithm in Firefox).
I do not recall ever touching it in about:config. In my current
bro
On 9/25/24 7:26 AM, Eli Schwartz wrote:
On 9/25/24 6:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>My system is actually very stable. In the shitstorm that erupted on
> this list at "ipv6" enabling I did not see any mention of sysctl. In my
> /etc/default/grub file I have...
>
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
On 9/25/24 6:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> My system is actually very stable. In the shitstorm that erupted on
> this list at "ipv6" enabling I did not see any mention of sysctl. In my
> /etc/default/grub file I have...
>
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="noexec=on net.ifnames=0 ipv6.disable=1"
>
>
Walter Dnes writes:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 09:42:23PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote
>
>> If you actually want to disable ipv6, instead of insanely rebuilding
>> binaries to use untested broken segfaulting code, use the sysctl
>> knob to tell the kernel "when asked to give some application a bit
>>
On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 09:42:23PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote
> If you actually want to disable ipv6, instead of insanely rebuilding
> binaries to use untested broken segfaulting code, use the sysctl
> knob to tell the kernel "when asked to give some application a bit
> of internet traffic, don't u
On 9/24/24 6:00 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:11:14PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote
>
>> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you
>> think we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems
>> suddenly break?
>>
>> :(
>
> I was around way back whe
On 24/9/24 19:46, Mitchell Dorrell wrote:
Do you specifically use the closed-source drivers, though?
Yes. In both the 'kernel-open' and regular flavours.
On 24/09/2024 19:32, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
So should computer words be defined by non-professionals or thoose
who knows ?
Well, before computers, I thought servers worked in restaurants ...
(And what the hell are thoose :-)
One effect of letting non-professionals define words is the case w
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:11:14PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote
> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you
> think we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems
> suddenly break?
>
> :(
I was around way back when "ipv6" became the default. I was using
Firefox b
Wol:
> On 23/09/2024 23:53, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> > It's just the pc hoard that thinks a server is some machine handling
(that should be horde, not hoard even though it sounds funny...)
> > databases, mail, files, printers or what
>
> In other words, X uses the words the other way round than m
Alan,
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 22:08:56 + you wrote:
> ...
> For example, emerge
> --depclean on my system wants to unmerge openrc. Not a deliberate move
> by the developers, just some accident. But it's the reason I don't do
> emerge --depclean, ever
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 9:13 PM Matt Jolly wrote:
> On 24/9/24 10:52, Mitchell Dorrell wrote:
>
> > I run a four-monitor system using NVIDIA's closed-source drivers. Last
> > I heard, Wayland did not work with such a combination. Has that
> > changed?
>
> I run several 3-monitor NVIDIA setups on W
On 23/09/2024 23:53, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
It's just the pc hoard that thinks a server is some machine handling
databases, mail, files, printers or what
In other words, X uses the words the other way round than most people -
what I said.
Doesn't mean the majority are right! As far as I'm a
On 9/23/24 8:52 PM, Mitchell Dorrell wrote:
> I run a lean X system for desktop workflows, with USE="-wayland".
> Every unconditional dev-libs/wayland dependency I've encountered has
> used dlopen. These were proprietary binary applications like Zoom and
> Slack. On an X system, they work completel
On 24/9/24 10:52, Mitchell Dorrell wrote:
I run a four-monitor system using NVIDIA's closed-source drivers. Last
I heard, Wayland did not work with such a combination. Has that
changed?
I run several 3-monitor NVIDIA setups on Wayland with no issue.
One of my 4-monitor setups has one scree
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 5:11 PM Eli Schwartz wrote:
> The resulting packages pull in support libraries that implement both
> technologies. This is (usually, absent dlopen tricks) a fundamental
> requirement of "ld.so", the runtime loader: if you compile support for
> it, you have to have it instal
On Mon, 2024-09-23 at 22:08 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> But the unused code still gets built in, doesn't it? That's a somewhat
> un-gentoo like situation.
>
It depends on the language, but in a compiled language, not usually.
Regardless: if you aren't a fan of widespread changes to global
On 9/23/24 6:08 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you think
>> we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems suddenly break?
>
> It happens, from time to time, by accident. For example, emerge
> --depclean on my system wants to un
Wol:
...
> X comes in two halves, the front end (or server, they use the words the
> other way round to normal),
...
No, server is a software concept, a program that waits and responds to
inbound calls, the X-server is just that. A client is a program/user
that pokes at the server and get respon
Hello, Eli.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 17:11:14 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/23/24 4:14 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Hello, Gentoo.
> > I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my
> > (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or
> > reloaded, sev
On 23/09/2024 21:14, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
What on Earth is going on? I never asked for wayland, and I haven't
received any news items about it in the last few weeks. I know little
about this X substitute, but one thing's vitually certain; that
installing it as emerge intended would lead to a l
Hello, Alan,
Alan Mackenzie writes:
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my
> (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or
> reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on?
>
> There were lots of qt and kde packag
On 9/23/24 4:14 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my
> (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or
> reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on?
>
> There were lots of qt and kde p
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