Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-28 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jul 28, 2012 8:03 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:30 PM, microcai wrote: --- >8 Major Snippage > > As far as I can tell, AMD chip suffered with a lot of I/O. Their > > Hyper-transport seems not competitive with Intel's ring bus > Wasn't Intel's answer to HyperTranspor

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:30 PM, microcai wrote: > 2012/7/26 Michael Mol : >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Евгений Пермяков >> wrote: >>> On 07/26/2012 05:50 PM, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Евгений Пермяков wrote: > > On 07/26/2012 12:05 AM, P

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-27 Thread Dale
Alecks Gates wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Dale wrote: >> Michael Mol wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Dale wrote: The point made about producing less heat with the smaller nm sounds reasonable tho. >>> Less heat with the smaller nm, but only if all other things r

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-27 Thread microcai
CPU speed does not matter. what matters most is the I/O speed. As far as I can tell, AMD chip suffered with a lot of I/O. Their Hyper-transport seems not competitive with Intel's ring bus 2012/7/26 Michael Mol : > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Евгений Пермяков > wrote: >> On 07/26/2012 05:

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-26 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Евгений Пермяков wrote: > On 07/26/2012 05:50 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Евгений Пермяков >> wrote: >>> >>> On 07/26/2012 12:05 AM, Philip Webb wrote: I've listed what's available at the local store, which I trust

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-26 Thread Евгений Пермяков
On 07/26/2012 05:50 PM, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Евгений Пермяков wrote: On 07/26/2012 12:05 AM, Philip Webb wrote: I've listed what's available at the local store, which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. All the AMD's are 32 nm , w

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-26 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:39 AM, microcai wrote: > 2012/7/26 Philip Webb : >> I've listed what's available at the local store, >> which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. >> >> All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter >> -- Core i5-357

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-26 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Евгений Пермяков wrote: > On 07/26/2012 12:05 AM, Philip Webb wrote: >> >> I've listed what's available at the local store, >> which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. >> >> All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by o

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-26 Thread Евгений Пермяков
On 07/26/2012 12:05 AM, Philip Webb wrote: I've listed what's available at the local store, which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter -- Core i5-3570 4-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4 Ghz, 6MB L3 Cach

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-26 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012, 16:24:42 schrieb Philip Webb: > 120725 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012, 16:05:29 schrieb Philip Webb: > >> I've listed what's available at the local store, > >> which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. > >> All t

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-26 Thread microcai
2012/7/26 Philip Webb : > I've listed what's available at the local store, > which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. > > All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter > -- Core i5-3570 4-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4 Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22 nm --

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Alecks Gates
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Dale wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Dale wrote: >>> The point made about producing less heat with the smaller nm sounds >>> reasonable tho. >> Less heat with the smaller nm, but only if all other things remain equal! >> >> In reali

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Dale wrote: >> The point made about producing less heat with the smaller nm sounds >> reasonable tho. > Less heat with the smaller nm, but only if all other things remain equal! > > In reality, manufacturers use additional margin within their T

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Dale wrote: > The point made about producing less heat with the smaller nm sounds > reasonable tho. Less heat with the smaller nm, but only if all other things remain equal! In reality, manufacturers use additional margin within their TDP to improve the product o

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Dale
I'll add this. When I buy a CPU, I look at the speed, mine is 3.2Ghz, and the cache that is on the chip, mine has 512Kb. Sometimes depending on the process, having more cache can be just as important as the speed. If I am looking at buying one of two identical CPUs but one has more cache, I wou

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 25.07.2012 22:14, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: >> Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012, 16:05:29 schrieb Philip Webb: >>> I've listed what's available at the local store, >>> which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 25.07.2012 22:14, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012, 16:05:29 schrieb Philip Webb: >> I've listed what's available at the local store, >> which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. >> >> All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Philip Webb
120725 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012, 16:05:29 schrieb Philip Webb: >> I've listed what's available at the local store, >> which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. >> All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter >

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012, 16:05:29 schrieb Philip Webb: > I've listed what's available at the local store, > which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. > > All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter > -- Core i5-3570 4-Core Socket LGA115

[gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm

2012-07-25 Thread Philip Webb
I've listed what's available at the local store, which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter -- Core i5-3570 4-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4 Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22 nm -- is 22 nm : it costs CAD 230 &