On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
>>> > > multinational company that has a reven
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>> > >
>> > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
>> > > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
>> > > day, even a tempora
On Dec 26, 2012 3:05 AM, "Carlos Hendson" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 22:46 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
> > I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning.
> >
> > But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug.
> > It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool
> > c
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 01:11:04PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote:
> The best way to find out what's wrong is to bisect the kernel, i.e.
> finding the exact commit that caused the issue to appear.
>
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_git-bisect
Got the repository cloned:
# git clone
git://
On Dec 26, 2012 6:35 AM, "Bruce Hill"
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > > > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million
USD per
> > > > day, even a tempora
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 06:03:12PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Is it possible that you have two SATA drivers enabled and the two
> conflict each other? I read, I think on this list, where someone had to
> disable one driver for the correct driver to work. You may want to go here:
>
> http://kmuto.jp/d
fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 04:20:23PM -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> This is what I would try:
>> ...
>> Maybe that will help. At least get you to a console. That alone makes
>> fixing something else easier.
> Checked all that -- it boots into the same ATA driver failures as the
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
>> Create a
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01:14PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> > >
> > > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> > > day, even a temporary outage means the CIO, COO, and CEO breathing down
> > >
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:51:43AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
> >
> > Same question ... initrd.gz and initramfs are *not* the same thing; and
> > there
> > was a package called mkinitrd in Gentoo that was retired to attic some time
> > ago, before my exodus from Slackware to Gentoo; therefore, I
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 1:23 PM, wrote:
> Google does not enlighten me. One suggestion was change the SATA cable, but
> this is definitely a change from 3.6.10 to 3.7.1.
I can't find where I read it, but just yesterday I was reading a
somewhat recent LKML post which mentioned SATA errors intro
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 04:20:23PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> This is what I would try:
> ...
> Maybe that will help. At least get you to a console. That alone makes
> fixing something else easier.
Checked all that -- it boots into the same ATA driver failures as the
bloated version of the kernel.
Paul Colquhoun wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:17:24 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't fail
>
> > to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here, right? One
>
> > is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, othe
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
> The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
> Create a plain text config file det
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
initramfs and set CON
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:17:24 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>
> Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't fail
> to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here, right? One
> is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, other is the issue
> described on the URL lin
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
>
>
> root@fireball / # egrep 'usb-db|pci-db|FROM_DATABASE|/usr' /*/udev/rules.d/*
> [...]
>> $$D; printf %%03i:%%03i $$B $$D'", RUN+="/bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/python
>> /usr/bin/hp-check-plugin -m %c &'"
>> /lib/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud_plugin.rules:SUBSY
fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
>
>> I would suggest you run "lspci -nnk" with your running 3.6.10 kernel and save
>> that output. Then go into the kernel source directory for 3.7.1, run "make
>> mrproper" then "make defconfig" and enable all t
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> > The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
>> > Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
>> > initramfs and set CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE to
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:00:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > The right tools are included, and documented, with your kernel.
> > Create a plain text config file detailing the contents of the
> > initramfs and set CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE to the path top this file.
> > That and an init script are all
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:42:22 -0600, Dale wrote:
> > I've been running separate /usr on LVM with ~arch udev and no
> > initramfs on a couple of systems with no problems. The news item is
> > taking the easy way out by saying "it will break" rather than "it may
> > break" - such breakage is by no me
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:23:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into
>> making my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating
>> hierarchies by hand and populating them with
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
> I would suggest you run "lspci -nnk" with your running 3.6.10 kernel and save
> that output. Then go into the kernel source directory for 3.7.1, run "make
> mrproper" then "make defconfig" and enable all the kernel drivers listed in
> t
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:33:34 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> Putting /usr on LVM is not the problem. I have had /usr on LVM for a
>> good long while now. It has booted just fine. The new udev is what is
>> going to break it, whether I use LVM or not from what has been said on
>> t
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 22:46 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
> I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning.
>
> But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug.
> It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool
> chain.
>
> I tried with various options, like reducing make job
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:23:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into
> making my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating
> hierarchies by hand and populating them with files and then compressing
> it. All that drives me nuts. It
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:33:34 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Putting /usr on LVM is not the problem. I have had /usr on LVM for a
> good long while now. It has booted just fine. The new udev is what is
> going to break it, whether I use LVM or not from what has been said on
> this list and elsewhere.
I'
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>
>> I used initrd's many years ago, and separate /usr and/ until on a redhat
>> system I rebooted with an out of sequence initrd and kernel on a
>> critical server (the sort of thing that puts your employment at ri
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> I used initrd's many years ago, and separate /usr and/ until on a redhat
> system I rebooted with an out of sequence initrd and kernel on a
> critical server (the sort of thing that puts your employment at risk
> when there are 20 odd
2012/12/25 Mark Knecht :
>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
> are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
> written once and don't change or get erased. No MythTV stuf
Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 25.12.2012 18:15, schrieb Dale:
>> Florian Philipp wrote:
>>> Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One lar
Am 25.12.2012 18:15, schrieb Dale:
> Florian Philipp wrote:
>> Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
>>> Hi,
>>>Merry Christmas to all.
>>>
>>>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
>>> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
>>
Am 25.12.2012 19:26, schrieb Mark Knecht:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Michael Orlitzky
> wrote:
>> On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>>
>With the previous
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
> Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
[...]
>>> I might add, I have ALWAYS had a separate /usr. Darn near a decade
>>> now. It has never failed to boot because /usr was on a separate
>>> partition. NOT ONCE. Now I am told it is going to fail. Go figur
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>
With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
>>>
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> [ snip ]
>> * Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
>> small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9
>> lines of sshd.servic
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
> On Dec 25, 2012 3:04 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury
>> wrote:
>> [ snip ]
>> > From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
>> > advantages it really offers
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>
With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
I'm just wondering if there's a bett
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
>
>>
>> Quoting from Gentoo news item:
> Which was exactly the thing I was commenting on above, ok.
>
> [...]
>> Now are you saying the Gentoo devs are lying to us? Careful now. Could
>> end up on a slippery slope and bump your head. That says any
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:51:20AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote
> It does a few other things ... attached it here as its not that long.
Thanks. The mdev setup has always required "CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y". The
other stuff (that udev-mount does) appears to be similar to what mdev
does at bootup, a
On 12/25/2012 12:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>
>>>With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
>>> I'm just wondering if there's a better choice & why.
>
>>
>> Fo
Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
>> Hi,
>>Merry Christmas to all.
>>
>>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
>> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
>> are around 1GB. The drive holds only stati
On 2012-12-25, Dale wrote:
> Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
that has been repeated several times in this thread (which
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>With the previous local drive I used ext3 and have had no problems.
>> I'm just wondering if there's a better choice & why.
>
> For your usage, I think ext3 is the most suitable.
>
> Do
* Bruce Hill [121224 21:17]:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:54:08PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
> > > Bruce Hill wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
> > >> Somewhere,
Am 25.12.2012 16:41, schrieb Mark Knecht:
> Hi,
>Merry Christmas to all.
>
>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
> are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
> writt
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:58:54AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
> A me too on the problem the original poster is seeing.
>
> I too am seeing this on a server I have. 3.7.0 and 3.7.1 both don't work
> but 3.6.10 works fine.
>
> I'm using the sata_mv driver with a SuperMicro (two actually) cards wit
Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>>> No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
>>> that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is "why?
>>> because it won't work"
On Dec 25, 2012 10:44 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>Merry Christmas to all.
>
>Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
> 1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
> are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:56:56AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
> We're on the road, getting ready to pack, and not in a good position to do
> much on this issue atm.
Nevertheless, a most unexpected Christmas present! In progress, and thank you.
My dilemna certainly isn't urgent, since 3.6.10 still
Bruce Hill wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:38:30PM -0600, Dale wrote:
>> Bruce Hill wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
Bruce Hill wrote:
> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
> Somew
* Florian Philipp [121225 07:16]:
> Am 23.12.2012 20:23, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com:
> >
> > I have since had some time to explore this and find it related to the
> > kernel; 3.6.10 works fine, while 3.7.1 fails. If I reset during the
> > 3.7.1 boot while it is spewing its error messages, but bef
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static video files that get
written once and don't change or get erased. No MythTV stuff
On Dec 25, 2012 4:14 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" wrote:
>
> On 24/12/12 17:05, Teodor Spæren wrote:
>>
>> It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added
>> 512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem.
>
>
> I would forget about it. It was possible in the days of GCC 3 an
On Dec 25, 2012 8:07 PM, "Bruce Hill"
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >
> > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> > day, even a temporary outage means
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:53:33AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:07:04AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
>
> > emerge -av app-text/wgetpaste && wgetpaste /path/to/3.6/.config
> > /path/to/3.7/.config
>
> 3.6.10 .config -- http://bpaste.net/show/66307/
> 3.7.1 .config -- h
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> [ snip ]
> * Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really
> small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9
> lines of sshd.service:
>
> $ cat /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service
> [Unit]
> Desc
On 2012-12-25, Michael Mol wrote:
> Now, question: could I not create a "/usr" service and make things
> dependent on /usr come after it's been mounted? That seems the single, core
> missing piece.
This suffices for /usr on regular partitions. The problem is with more
complex stuff which, I assum
On 2012-12-25, Bruce Hill wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>>
>> No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
>> that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is "why?
>> because it won't work") and links to an articl
On Dec 25, 2012 8:07 AM, "Bruce Hill"
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >
> > When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> > multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> > day, even a temporary outage means
On Dec 25, 2012 3:04 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury
wrote:
> [ snip ]
> > From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
> > advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
> > OpenRC. Someon
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:56:52AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> When you're in charge of over 100 servers as the back-end of a
> multinational company that has a revenue in excess of 10 million USD per
> day, even a temporary outage means the CIO, COO, and CEO breathing down
> your neck.
Who is
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:38:30PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Bruce Hill wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote:
> >> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600
> >> Bruce Hill wrote:
> >>
> >>> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic.
> >>> Somewhere, sometime, for s
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:10:28PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>
> No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
> that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is "why?
> because it won't work") and links to an article that explains why some
> udev rules wo
Am 23.12.2012 20:23, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com:
>
> I have since had some time to explore this and find it related to the
> kernel; 3.6.10 works fine, while 3.7.1 fails. If I reset during the
> 3.7.1 boot while it is spewing its error messages, but before the
> kernel ultimately panics, I can reb
On 2012-12-24, Bruce Hill wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>>
>> Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some
>> time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details.
>>
>> So, if the udev you use is OK with no initrd
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:58:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on
> inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there
> is only the system, and it is an atomic unit.
Yes, you need to run an encrypted root but don't
On 12/25/2012 03:01 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
> [ snip ]
>> From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
>> advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
>> OpenRC. Someone enlight
On 24/12/12 17:05, Teodor Spæren wrote:
It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added
512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem.
I would forget about it. It was possible in the days of GCC 3 and 2.95.
Unless you don't care that emerging a complete system will
I'm running a nfs server on my machine, the server starts fine without
any problems, but when I try
mount localhost:/path/to/share /mountpoint
I get mount.nfs: cannot allocate memory and the funniest part is the
system has lot's of free memory.
That's for nfsv4, if I try vers=3 option I get stal
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:38 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
[ snip ]
> From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what
> advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like
> OpenRC. Someone enlighten me please?
I wrote the following some months ago; I th
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