Re: [gentoo-dev] Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-24 Thread Luca Barbato
that years ago, except it was "well you can't change global scope behaviour for EAPIs, but just how much more flexibility than that is needed?". Given that the fixed header gives you ALL the flexibility. You may give provision to consider the next bytes as any kind of serializa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-24 Thread Luca Barbato
e cache in such format will make portage ignore any future change. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Ryan Hill wrote: some other random ideas i've seen tossed around: - #!/bin/env eapi-parser - split EAPI into EAPI and some separate counter which would only be incremented on uncompatible changes to the ebuild format - change .ebuild to .eb - waffles (sorry, lunchtime) Yummy! --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:16:54 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: You're doubling the number of files that have to be read for an operation that's almost purely i/o bound. On top of that, you're introducing a whole bunch of disk seeks in what's otherwise a nice

Re: [gentoo-dev] Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-25 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:04:46 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: given that the simplest thing is hacking ebuild.sh and extract eapi with a simple C program (you can use pcre or ragel if you want) exactly before the ebuild source: That you're bringing ebuild.sh into this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-25 Thread Luca Barbato
tting the eapi before sourcing. real1m10.636s user0m16.941s sys 0m0.368s cold cache, no metadata available real6m23.106s user3m32.141s sys 1m50.855s with eapitool real6m26.564s user3m31.853s sys 1m50.511s I'd rather see more people backing their ideas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-25 Thread Luca Barbato
Thomas Anderson wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 04:56:04PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote: Yes, it will warn noisily. This is unacceptable, since stable users will have months and months of noise when new rules come along. "unacceptable"... as in "it's ugly to see"...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for February 26

2009-02-26 Thread Luca Barbato
much had been said probably because glep-54 has impact to a lesser number of people and thus is less interesting than the all encompassing glep-55. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for February 26

2009-02-26 Thread Luca Barbato
them. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for February 26

2009-02-26 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:34:07 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: I'm still waiting for you to answer this: Be specific. Explain how this works when, say, 0.34.4 is current, you have a 0.34.5_live and 0.34.5 comes out. being live working as substitute for 0.34.5_preN (

Regarding live sources management proposals (Was: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for February 26)

2009-02-28 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:40:26 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: Be specific. Explain how this works when, say, 0.34.4 is current, you have a 0.34.5_live and 0.34.5 comes out. being live working as substitute for 0.34.5_preN (_live) component the appearance of 0.34.5 will be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 3 PMS Draft

2009-03-16 Thread Luca Barbato
x all 'pkg fails tests' bugs in bugzilla first. And the fact some testsuites in system and commonly used libs take from 10x to 100x the buildtime to run. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating EAPI0

2009-03-24 Thread Luca Barbato
d take too much. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating EAPI0

2009-03-25 Thread Luca Barbato
ng to get done, or you don't, in which case there's no point to branches, and any migration can be done using a simple tag. I'd like you to rethink your statement and then come again. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] USE_EXPAND for qemu unified ebuild

2009-05-11 Thread Luca Barbato
We have a proposed unified qemu ebuild[1] in bugzilla that would let users have a per-target granularity thanks to Xake. I'm not sure if would be better have QEMU_TARGETS or separated USER_TARGETS and SOFTMMU_TARGETS. [1]http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267883 -- Luca Barbato G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND for qemu unified ebuild

2009-05-11 Thread Luca Barbato
Duncan wrote: Namespace pollution? QEMU_USER_TARGETS and QEMU_SOFTMMU_TARGETS, maybe? Right, anyway either one or two vars, anybody has a strong feeling towards one of them or against any of them? lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND for qemu unified ebuild

2009-05-15 Thread Luca Barbato
Luca Barbato wrote: Duncan wrote: Namespace pollution? QEMU_USER_TARGETS and QEMU_SOFTMMU_TARGETS, maybe? Right, anyway either one or two vars, anybody has a strong feeling towards one of them or against any of them? QEMU_SOFTMMU_TARGETS QEMU_USER_TARGETS, that's it. -USE_E

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Luca Barbato
eting. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND for qemu unified ebuild

2009-05-16 Thread Luca Barbato
Alexey Shvetsov wrote: its realy a good idea to make targets for qemu selectable =) since not all targets work all time at the same condition. By tomorrow I'm going to push the use_expand changes and the unified qemu ebuild. -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2009/2010 - Nominations are now open

2009-06-03 Thread Luca Barbato
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > I would like to kick-start the nominations by nominating Mart Raudsepp > (leio), Petteri Räty (betelgeuse), and Luca Barbato (lu_zero) [all of > them are CCed] Patrick Lauer wrote: > * lu_zero, because he's done a good job and brings in his own idea

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE_EXPAND instead of SANE_BACKENDS for media-gfx/sane-backends

2009-06-26 Thread Luca Barbato
Any objections or questions? I think it's a good idea =) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-06-29

2009-06-28 Thread Luca Barbato
he past days even if it wasn't actual code =) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-council] A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-03 Thread Luca Barbato
use absolute majority even if it is more strict. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] color management in gentoo (kde expecially) proposal for help

2012-02-26 Thread Luca Barbato
On 2/23/12 3:47 PM, Francesco Riosa wrote: Hi, my name is Francesco Riosa, I would be interested in a more complete support of the oyranos color managment programs in ::gentoo. Oyranos is intended to be multy platform and in some sense multy os, but in the current incarnation has good support

[gentoo-dev] qemu/qemu-user changes

2012-02-28 Thread Luca Barbato
be close resembiling the ebuild qemu-user-static from sabayon and not colliding with qemu. Is anybody against to this approach? lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] qemu/qemu-user changes

2012-02-28 Thread Luca Barbato
On 28/02/12 13:03, Martin Gysel wrote: > Am 28.02.2012 11:51, schrieb Luca Barbato: >> I'd add a new ebuild for qemu-user that is always static, with a >> initscript to ease having the binfmt set up, it will be close >> resembiling the ebuild qemu-user-static from sabayon

[gentoo-dev] Supporting GLES-only implementations

2012-03-03 Thread Luca Barbato
tter ideas? lu PS: I'd consider GL implementations monolithic so you cannot mix and match them at least for now. -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Supporting GLES-only implementations

2012-03-04 Thread Luca Barbato
On 03/03/12 18:26, Luca Barbato wrote: > I'm trying to get better support for efika and possibly other similar > systems like pandaboard. In order to make all the headers switchable I'd move the headers to specific dirs, so we would have global/GL and all the implementations

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-10 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use and/or try to figure out which are the items that should be moved to / and fix the remaining ones... lu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-10 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/10/12 7:50 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: Well, I'm trying not to take sides in that war. Unless we want to patch the living daylights out of upsteam it seems almost moot. It is not a matter about siding. If our boot process requires glib or dbus we are sore idiots if we aren't either of them a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-12 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/11/12 10:33 AM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Luca Barbato wrote: On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use and/or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-12 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/12/12 8:53 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:14:23PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: Yeah, I think it's an easy fix either in openrc or in an initscript somewhere. I changed nothing except my kernel (was missing devtmpfs -- it's not under Filesystems!), uninstalled module-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-14 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/14/12 10:58 AM, Matthew Summers wrote: __Everyone__ is already using an initramfs, therefore there are no initramfs-less systems anymore (it may just be empty). Every single person reading this thread that has not already done so needs to immediately go read the relevant documentation locat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-14 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/14/12 4:37 PM, Greg KH wrote: Not really, I don't think we support systems without udev anymore, right? And we get away with a lot of these different "options" at compile time, which makes it easier than what Debian has to handle, so perhaps it's not a fair comparison. I think we support

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-14 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/14/12 10:59 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: Well, anybody is welcome to create any replacement/addition for (/usr)/sbin/init or (/usr)/sbin/rc that they wish. If you make it good enough, perhaps others will even use it. There is a SoC out there for that. Beyond that, anything else is just a sug

[gentoo-dev] Fix spurious dep to eselect-python

2012-03-19 Thread Luca Barbato
Hi, I tried to avoid depending on eselect-python if the useflag is disabled. Please test and review. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero --- /usr/portage/eclass/python.eclass 2012-03-06 20:31:12.0 -0800 +++ /var/tmp/python.eclass 2012-03-19 21:24

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-video/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-0.10.2.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-03-20 Thread Luca Barbato
aviocat, graph2dot ismindex, qt-faststart and cws2fws under either a single useflag or unconditionally. The rest of the tools aren't of any use since avprobe superceeds them. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GSoC2012] Cross Container Support Project

2012-03-24 Thread Luca Barbato
he paths and have the bind-mount game working, the alternative way is to build the native part by unpacking the cross packages and the build system packages there so / <- emulated /etc/ld.so.conf.d/native /usr/${nativehost}/ /usr/${emulatedhost}/ and then you need to trick portage a bit Sounds

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH] opengl: support gles only implementation

2012-03-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Additionally make switching headers and libraries work for GLES OpenVG and EGL. --- modules/opengl.eselect | 30 ++ 1 files changed, 18 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-) diff --git a/modules/opengl.eselect b/modules/opengl.eselect index 2e8dd23..3f55ed5 100644 --- a/mod

[gentoo-dev] Supporting GLES-only implementations

2012-03-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Provided with the eselect opengl patch an implementation and the mesa changes. If they are ok for everybody I'd change the ati and nvidia drivers as well. (a better name for the amd-graphics driver would be welcome btw) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass for Python

2012-03-25 Thread Luca Barbato
On 3/25/12 11:56 AM, Krzysztof Pawlik wrote: On 28/02/12 22:13, Krzysztof Pawlik wrote: If there are no objections then during the weekend (March 3, 4) I will add this to portage (after finishing remaining TODO items, PyPy requires 4G of RAM(!!)). Hello, Slightly late due to Real Life™ but fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect git repo

2012-04-28 Thread Luca Barbato
the >> all-clear. > > To the best of my knowledge, the repo should be fixed now. Please note > that the history has changed. So either do a fresh git clone or follow > git-rebase(1), section "RECOVERING FROM UPSTREAM REBASE". > Thank you a lot =) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012

2012-04-28 Thread Luca Barbato
orked > on (see [1]), I feel that the statement above that newer udev can't be > stabled should be re-evaluated. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012

2012-04-29 Thread Luca Barbato
it is either fix the programs or find replacement that have less or no dependencies. > Did someone mentioned mentioning two cross-linked program/data trees > (well, three or four in our case) with fuzzy classification rules is > against KISS? Enumerate them, I'm sick of vague problem

Re: [gentoo-dev] new virtual/pkgconfig to support lighter alternatives

2012-04-29 Thread Luca Barbato
rested in), but there is > also > "pkg-config-lite" and "pkgconf". they should be compatible with the > canonical > pkg-config. they aren't yet in the tree, but will be once we agree on this > topic. > > any comments ? Please do now =) lu - --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012

2012-04-29 Thread Luca Barbato
hould not have huge deps and that assumption fails for a number of reasons, I guess mostly due the fact who writes some software doesn't expect it to be run on early boot =\ lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] new virtual/pkgconfig to support lighter alternatives

2012-04-29 Thread Luca Barbato
conf's (I thought it was GPLv3, which > would've meant it wasn't compatible)...We'll work on getting those > patches and the pkg.m4 in the tree and getting a 0.2 release rolled > out in the next day or 2. I just sent a couple of patches to pkg-config to update the m4 with some additional macros to provide stock --with-foo, I guess they will be useful for you as well, if you import it before I can send you the same patchset. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] busybox[sep-usr] support for mounting /usr w/out hassle

2012-04-29 Thread Luca Barbato
ystem in a hard to recover state because you happened to > forget to check a filesystem option (which ironically isn't under Filesystems > in the kernel). it's piss-poor user facing behavior. Many already stated that regarding that version of udev, no reason to restate it a

Re: [gentoo-dev] busybox[sep-usr] support for mounting /usr w/out hassle

2012-05-01 Thread Luca Barbato
afe and store the messages somewhere in tmpfs and write them to issue right before giving a shell. lu - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-03 Thread Luca Barbato
ormation? I guess would be possible to patch it out, probably dbus would cover that base as well. (As soon I have some time I might dabble with a dbus integration for mdev) lu - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-04 Thread Luca Barbato
anything beyond the C library. The integration would be mdev -> shell -> dbus or mdev -> socket -> dbus. I consider dbus still not reliable for core services. > -mike - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-04 Thread Luca Barbato
doubt Chrom{e,ium} is losing tons of users due to their udev / > dbus / etc requirements. If dbus and libudev are just for fringe features might be nice disable them. I wonder if there isn't already a setting for it. chrome for android won't use them anyway. -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-04 Thread Luca Barbato
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/05/12 11:35, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 5/4/12 8:02 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: >> I consider dbus still not reliable for core services. > > Just curious - why? I just have no idea about how dbus works or what are &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-04 Thread Luca Barbato
see how hard is to make that nicer for our non-udev/non-dbus users on linux. lu - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+kMHwACg

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-04 Thread Luca Barbato
On 04/05/12 14:35, Walter Dnes wrote: > What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets > called, and pre-processes requests and forwards them to mdev. That's my idea =) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for (libre)office extensions: office-ext?

2012-05-06 Thread Luca Barbato
more precise, they should work > with > anything that uses the so-called "uno bridge". > > This is why I like the new category "office-plugins" best... and would like > to > implement that one. > > Any additional objections? I pre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-07 Thread Luca Barbato
How are you going to not use it then? I guess freebsd is still a supported platform for enlightenment and all the programs I use. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-07 Thread Luca Barbato
On 04/05/12 17:59, Greg KH wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 02:52:33PM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote: >> On 04/05/12 14:35, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets >>> called, and pre-processes requests and forwards them to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-14 Thread Luca Barbato
uite* concerned about this "vertical" and linux-only approach. If you consider that in 2 weeks the whole thing went from "udev moves to systemd since is easier for us, but not be concerned udev can build stand alone" to "udev stand alone is unsupported" you ca

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Luca Barbato
s the systemd in the url might be have people consider it a sort of tell-tale. It could had been http://bluez.org/known_issue/separate-usr-problems Maybe. -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: git-2.eclass & fetching from multiple repos

2012-05-19 Thread Luca Barbato
urprising > (not that the fallback syntax isn't surprising already). Does not look that bad, do you have an actual example so we can see how bad could get? lu - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GN

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: git-2.eclass & fetching from multiple repos

2012-05-19 Thread Luca Barbato
What I am afraid of is that we use nested list > with tricky syntax, and one could miss the specifics of "" use. it doesn't look that bad, the result would be getting foo and bar in workdir I guess. for github, sourceforge, bitbucket, gnome, etc, we might use something like gi

Re: [gentoo-dev] x32 release candidate

2012-06-06 Thread Luca Barbato
gt; Is there a wiki or forum thread somewhere where folks can gloat and/or >> commiserate? > > i haven't set up anything Shall we start a http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/amd64-x32 page? > -mike - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIG

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Luca Barbato
they mandate a UI which lists all boot images known to the EFI boot > manager, and the user can easily whitelist both individual loaders and > the keys used to sign them. > That would be a good compromise. -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Luca Barbato
nt to try to get serious on 5, we could try to gather the hardened/security people across distributions and setup the whole chain to be parallel and cut deals with OEM to store this trust-chain keys along with MS. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuild laziness and binpkg overhead

2012-06-15 Thread Luca Barbato
the purpose of the xfconf.eclass which is designed so that we > cope with 99,0% using just pkg_setup() defining a function and call it from the eclass would be impossible? lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Dynamic SLOTs

2012-06-19 Thread Luca Barbato
On 06/17/2012 05:39 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > But Python doesn't have one. Bindings built using other > languages don't have that either. That seems something interesting to tackle with the python community. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] spec draft for cross-compile support in future EAPI (EAPI-5)

2012-06-19 Thread Luca Barbato
and possibly split RDEPEND/DEPEND to have HDEPEND to list build dependencies that need to be run on host. lu - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigm

Re: [gentoo-dev] spec draft for cross-compile support in future EAPI (EAPI-5)

2012-06-20 Thread Luca Barbato
y but program that have to run. Think about generators. lu - -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/hfm8ACgkQ6

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-20 Thread Luca Barbato
succeed either adding to busybox the missing bits of bash we use or forking bash (so eventually it could be developed on a source repo) and making it lean and fast for our specific purposes. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP draf for cross-compile support in multilib profiles

2012-06-30 Thread Luca Barbato
is _really_ annoying for qemu-chroots) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP draf for cross-compile support in multilib profiles

2012-07-04 Thread Luca Barbato
fference if that ABI is native or not. cross vs host paths is an annoying problem due the slightly different behaviour between native and cross compiler toolchains, it tends to ignore environment variables and other small differences making dropping an native cross compiler in a qemu chroot, QUI

[gentoo-dev] Fraunhofer FDK license

2012-07-25 Thread Luca Barbato
I'd add it, it is a gpl incompatible opensource license. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero Software License for The Fraunhofer FDK AAC Codec Library for Android © Copyright 1995 - 2012 Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft zur Förderung der angewandten Forschung e.V.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fraunhofer FDK license

2012-07-28 Thread Luca Barbato
On 07/26/2012 12:45 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Luca Barbato wrote: >>> I'd add it, it is a gpl incompatible opensource license. >> >> No problem to add it. But IMHO the usage restriction in section 3 >> mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev <-> mdev

2012-07-29 Thread Luca Barbato
od fit for embedded devices. Last time I looked at systemd it was anything that lean. Obviously you can say that if you already need dbus and glib and ... ${systemd_deplist} it doesn't count. Likewise if you are already using busybox it comes with a quite rich shell. Most depends on what you c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev <-> mdev

2012-07-29 Thread Luca Barbato
rking udev and making sure it stays as lean as possible isn't that bad. Making mdev a bit richer and enjoy the speed advantage of busybox over stand alone shells could be another option. Most of the perceived speed in non-shell init systems is due not having to spawn as many processes. A full busybox wouldn't spawn many processes. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-08-02 Thread Luca Barbato
On 07/27/2012 07:24 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > yes, and i'm waiting on the POSIX group to formalize C.UTF-8. that's the > only > real option in my mind for making unicode the default. any other > amalgamations of various locales is ugly as sin. When they meet? I'd be fine with a pre-release

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/07/2012 09:00 PM, Olivier Crête wrote: > I expect that in the not so long term, systemd will become an essential > user-space component of desktop Linux, just like crond, syslog, dbus, > udev or glibc. Sharing that code just makes sense, that allows As in completely optional and easily repla

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/08/2012 04:53 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Yes, and please remove all the occurrences of 'GNU' because I don't > like it. We have people working on a clang/freebsd gentoo, you might help them and use that. It sort of works fine. For a project Flameeyes replaced most of system using smaller alt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/epdfview

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/07/2012 05:00 AM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: > Hi, > > "Andreas K. Huettel" writes: > >> # Andreas K. Huettel (7 Aug 2012) >> # Many display bugs and compatibility problems, does not build with >> cups-1.6. >> # Upstream is dead. There's no real way to support this anymore. Masked for >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 07/18/2012 08:27 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > I don't think we should give more support to building a system from > a statically linked rescue suite tool. For people wanting to shave some seconds from their boot openrc using busybox is quite handy and should be used as default IMHO. lu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/09/2012 10:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > No. I meant to have 'GNU' tools with 'GNU' stripped. Isn't that what > the whole discussion is about? Changing names of tools just for > someone's liking? No, we are discussing about an upstream merging two unrelated projects assuring users that nothin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/09/2012 12:01 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:20:52 +0200 > Luca Barbato wrote: > >> On 08/09/2012 10:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >>> No. I meant to have 'GNU' tools with 'GNU' stripped. Isn't that what >>> the w

Re: [gentoo-dev] pid 1 design

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/09/2012 04:02 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Luca Barbato wrote: >> Repeat after me: having your first process require anything more >> than libc is stupid and dangerous. > > Why do you say? Because libc supposedly should be stable, other libraries are a bit more prone t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-09 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/09/2012 09:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 10:42:15 +0200 > Luca Barbato wrote: > >> Repeat after me: having your first process require anything more than >> libc is stupid and dangerous. > > But you are aware that glibc is probably much, much

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-10 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/10/2012 09:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > vdr is a first example which comes to my mind. They workaround program > configuration limitations and the init.d scripts become a complex > extra-configuration parser + plugin loader. Well, another thing here is > that upstream AFAIK is not willing to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag

2012-08-13 Thread Luca Barbato
On 8/12/12 6:10 PM, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: The gods heard your call, and have replied: Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can drop that support entirely. -- Lennart [1] [1] http://lists.fre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-14 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/14/2012 09:14 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > But it means nothing for someone who wants to open a box, switch on > the power, and go online to $socialmediasite or $emailprovider. Sabayon does a decent job for them. lu

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc-2.16 moving to ~arch

2012-08-19 Thread Luca Barbato
On 8/18/12 5:31 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: i'll probably land it later this weekend/monday. Would be nice having a list of bugs open so people might have a look and see if there is something big left. boost and gnutls seem big enough already to spend some time to get those fixed before unlea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Any official position from Gentoo about systemd, mdev and udev-static ?

2012-08-28 Thread Luca Barbato
On 08/28/2012 05:35 PM, Sylvain Alain wrote: > Hi everyone, I don't want to start a flamewar on that subject, but I would > like to know if there's any official position about the current situation. udev might or might not eventually get forked to avoid systemd borg-approach. mdev works fine for

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-emulation/qemu & app-emulation/qemu-kvm folding into one package

2012-09-10 Thread Luca Barbato
On 09/10/2012 03:55 AM, Doug Goldstein wrote: > Hey all, > > Just an announcement that app-emulation/qemu-kvm will be pkgmove'd to > app-emulation/qemu at some point this week. The app-emulation/qemu > ebuilds will effectively die and be replaced by the > app-emulation/qemu-kvm ebuilds. I've broug

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: netplugd and ifplugd support in OpenRc

2012-09-11 Thread Luca Barbato
On 9/10/12 11:05 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 04:26:10PM -0400, Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 09:48 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: In researching this program, I have found that it and ifplugd, which is the alternative, have been unmaintained for years. Also Debian

Re: [gentoo-dev] A more natural (human-friendly) syntax for dependencies

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
On 09/22/2012 09:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > The current dependency syntax: > > [VERSION-OP] PACKAGE-NAME ["-" PACKAGE-VERSION] > > suffers a few problems: I like the current syntax. lu

Re: [gentoo-dev] supporting static-libs

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
On 09/03/2012 10:54 PM, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: > On Tuesday 28 of August 2012 02:15:40 hasufell wrote: >> Is there a reason not to support static-libs in an ebuild if the package >> supports it? >> >> It seems some developers don't care about this option. What's the gentoo >> policy on this? Isn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: method of checking for cross compilation from ebuild functions

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
On 09/21/2012 06:06 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/20/2012 10:34 AM, Ambroz Bizjak wrote: >> The question now is, how should this method for checking >> --crosscompile be implemented? In particular, we have two options: >> >> - Environment variable. If so, how to call it? Possible names are >> CROSS

Re: [gentoo-dev] supporting static-libs

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
On 09/22/2012 05:25 PM, hasufell wrote: > add_library(foostatic STATIC foo.cpp foo.h) > set_target_properties(foostatic PROPERTIES OUTPUT_NAME foo) > add_library(foo SHARED foo.cpp foo.h) Looks a bit kludgy but should work well as a macro, willing to contact upstream and/or ask cmake devs to incl

Re: [gentoo-dev] A more natural (human-friendly) syntax for dependencies

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
On 09/22/2012 09:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > The current dependency syntax: > > [VERSION-OP] PACKAGE-NAME ["-" PACKAGE-VERSION] > > suffers a few problems: I like the current one your proposal seems quite a problem for a large deal of usecases. > 1. It is not really human-friendl

Re: [gentoo-dev] A more natural (human-friendly) syntax for dependencies

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
No.

Re: [gentoo-dev] A more natural (human-friendly) syntax for dependencies

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
Alex Alexander wrote: >On Sep 22, 2012 8:25 PM, "Michał Górny" wrote: >> >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:11:48 +0300 >> Alex Alexander wrote: >> >> > On Sep 22, 2012 7:38 PM, "Michał Górny" wrote: >> > > >> > > emerge 'foo >= 1.1' 'bar < 1.0'? >> > > emerge foo '>=' 1.1 bar '<' 1.0? >> > >> > How is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] autotools-multilib: wrapper eclass for multilib builds.

2012-09-22 Thread Luca Barbato
"Michał Górny" wrote: >It is a simple eclass using autotools out-of-source builds to build >packages for multiple ABIs when multilib is supported. > >Use case: xorg packages, ask Matt. >--- >gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 72 >+++ > 1 file changed, 72 inser

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