Danny van Dyk wrote:
IMHO a text based file has a big advantage in this proposed application
over fileformats which use XML: Any administrator can read it with his
editor of choice, right from the console.
This is an important aspect for sure, but why can't such file be
generated from a marked
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Motivation
==
There are currently several ways of getting news out to our users, none of them
particularly effective:
This assumes the following ways are really ineffective, something which
you don't prove or give any reason for. Hence it's eligable for another
Jan Kundrát wrote:
On Saturday 05 of November 2005 11:28 Grobian wrote:
Remember that it is easy
to say here that users don't read what's on their consoles as well, as
in post emerge messages etc. So make sure you deal with it upfront, why
you think now it *will* work.
"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You must not have read the [#forums-whining]_ reference as that makes it
quite clear that existing methods isn't adequate. Even if you think the
apache maintainers made lots of mistakes you can't really fault us for
not trying to get the news of config changes out to all
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we were only aiming at a certain group of people there would be no
need to change anything. The apache announcements reached lots of users
but still left a large chunk of users in the dark. Moving the news to
-announce or some RSS feed wouldn't change anything as the b
"Bryan ���" wrote:
Even if you don't realise that this will be a big help for many users or
you just don't think those users deserver any help (not sure which one
it is tbh) - you might at least consider the fact that only having to
push news about major / critical cha
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Apart from that this point seems to repeat much of the previous one,
| it introduces a new unfounded claim (users do read, but now too late)
Read the linked forums thread and all will become clear.
the forums thread advocates against the new unfounded claim, IMHO.
|
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Which means you won't be able to satisfy your "preemptive"
| requirement.
Not at all. You can warn users repeatedly, but there comes a point when
trying to warn them any further becomes futile.
Then what is the point of this GLEP? Instead, just warn people through
ex
On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 09:56:35PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | Then what is the point of this GLEP? Instead, just warn people
> | through existing intrastructure, which is cheap from an engineering
> | perspective because everything is already there in place, and don't
> | think of implement
Stuart Herbert wrote:
By your own admission, you're on the announce list, and but you didn't
know about the Apache changes. Imagine how many other users were in the
same situation. Imagine how many other users never signed up to the
announce list in the first place.
On gentoo-dev, gentoo-user
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:32:38 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| So, what list should the user that wants to receive those
| **important** messages sign up to?
That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up
for things.
Doe
Daniel Ostrow wrote:
You are correct, there is no clear cut place for them to go...that's how
this thing got started in the first place. However why force users to
sign up for something which can't be appropriately filtered (installed
packages, keywords, use flags, profiles, etc.) when all of the
On 10-11-2005 20:55:37 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
Ok, you want a reaction, because you are Feeling Blue[1], right.
> On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:11 +0100, Grobian wrote:
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > That's your first misconception right there. Most users don
On 10-11-2005 21:33:48 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> We need to establish *one* authoritative source of news. We can't do
> that if we simultaneously launch several sources of news all at once.
> We have to launch *one* service first, give the userbase time to adjust
> to that, and then start mak
On 11-11-2005 10:38:43 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote:
> No, the central repository certainly shouldn't be on the web (whatever
> that means in the first place), it has to be somewhere in CVS
> (easily accessible by all devs, though not necessarily in a direct way)
> and should be replicated to as many
Stuart Herbert wrote:
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:22 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
It seems to be your own quest to have the news *only*
delivered by portage.
I thought I'd been very clear in the email that you've replied to that I
support making the news available via other ways. It's the ti
Jason Stubbs wrote:
To be honest, this is the part that I don't like the most. Integrating code
into portage to copy files here and there based on some predefined rules and
news readers reading and renaming files based on some predefined rules...
A filesystem based API just doesn't seem very ro
On 21-11-2005 19:15:58 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> | virtual/x11 isn't xorg for all profiles.
>
> Perhaps the relevant people (macos?) could get in touch with me, and we
> can figure out what needs to happen.
>
> It may be that we'll need to add x11-base/apple-xfree into the || list
> as well
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Thursday 24 November 2005 21:25, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
*shrug* I'm not sure that the existing docs team is the best way of
handling developer documentation.
If it's just matter of fixing the English in it, I don't think there's much
technical matter they w
n the font
affect it negatively to me. The fonts are small in the tabs-bar
and shortcut menus (Documentation, Resources and Community). The text
now looks vertically misaligned to me in the tabs-bar and footer, in
comparison how it was before the font size change.
I could live with it. Here are
On 28-11-2005 18:54:14 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:46:57 +0100 Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:48:01 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen
> | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > | A
On 26-12-2005 22:11:46 -0200, Marcelo Ges wrote:
> Fellow Gentooers,
>
> Here is a draft of an enhancement proposal that should allow upstream
> information to be included in metadata.xml:
>
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~vanquirius/glep-0099.txt
using http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0046.html
On 01-01-2006 21:35:34 +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote with possible deletions:
> The information contained in the ChangeLogs is essential, and it must be
> kept, but, force the users to download all that data it's not optimal.
>
> That said I can see only two ways to reduce the ChangeLog files (a
>
On 02-01-2006 20:03:54 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:50 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> > I guess I'm almost hinting at that Gentoo needs a single entity that's
> > sole purpose is to drive/research the direction and goals for Gentoo.
Or call it proper hierarchy. Manageme
On 02-01-2006 21:12:03 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > If it isn't one person, then you would need to find two persons or even
> > more that are completely aligned and have the same visions. Since
> > leaders usually are charismatic and controversial where necessary to
> > achieve their goals, it
On 05-01-2006 17:00:15 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> So - as GWN monkey - I'm offering my services as aggregator for project
> updates. Maybe someone from the doc project wants to help to get this
> information put on the website so that it's visible?
The following crossed my mind: what about a De
On 05-01-2006 16:41:12 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:28:13 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | I'm thinking of quite dull news, so absolutely not meant to be a
> | publication like GWN, but just thingis like some commits on the
> | portage
You better bring this up on the gentoo-alt mailing list. Please
consider posting it there instead of going in a private discussion.
On 06-01-2006 08:15:42 -0700, Duncan wrote:
> And I definitely wish you well in your G/FBSD efforts, but when I
> mentioned them on my local ISP's unix (*ix) group,
On 25-01-2006 09:19:44 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 January 2006 06:47, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > Diego was mistaken here ... probably my fault because i lied to him at some
> > point on irc, who knows for sure ... at any rate, the sed ebuild does not
> > install 'gsed'
Hi all,
We currently have both tcsh and csh in the tree. For those who don't
know what they are: they are shells. tcsh is the more sophisticated
little brother of csh. Their relationship is roughly comparable to the
relationshop between bash and sh shells.
Like bash and sh, tcsh is able to rep
On 25-01-2006 16:19:54 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 January 2006 15:47, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > The csh package currently has a maintainer who is an active Gentoo
> > developer; have you spoken to taviso first to find out whether he
> > wants to remove csh from the tree?
>
> la
On 28-01-2006 12:05:30 +0300, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote:
> On Срд, 2006-01-25 at 20:57 +0100, Grobian wrote:
> > Are there any objections to removing csh from the tree? If there are no
> > problems with csh removal before Feb 1st 2006, then I will starting from
> > that dat
On 28-01-2006 09:38:05 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:31:55 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | In fact, I'd like to have only sh, because I never use bash.
>
> How did you become a Gentoo developer?
Guess I forgot to put the word '
On 28-01-2006 01:47:27 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:05:30PM +0300, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote:
> > To solve symlink problem I can suggest the following.
> Rather than handling it manually, perhaps eselect can help handle it
> consistently, and allow users to switch when
On 27-01-2006 08:44:14 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday 23 January 2006 23:04, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > for those who dont know what i'm talking about, consider:
> > tail -1
> > head -1
> >
>
> it would seem i lied about this (at least the first two still work)
FYI:
sort +0 doesn't work
Please find attached GLEP 47: "Creating 'safe' environment variables".
The GLEP is a Gentoo/Alt initiative. Constructive comments are welcome.
--
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo/Alt
GLEP: 47
Title: Creating 'safe' environment variables
Version: $Revision: 1.1 $
Last-Modified: $Date: 2006/02/09 21:42:57 $
On 09-02-2006 23:50:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:48:32 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Instead of proposing a 4-tuple [3]_ keyword, a 2-tuple
> > keyword is chosen for archs that require them.
>
> Provision should be made for fut
On 10-02-2006 00:38:47 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:26:11 -0500 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Assuming the CHOST variable is 'safe' is not a good thing, users can
> > over-ride this variable. Can you specify some behavior when it's set
> > to something bogu
On 10-02-2006 11:00:33 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote:
> On Friday 10 February 2006 09:00, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote:
> > Could you add a definition of 'safe' to the GLEP? It's not clear what
> > this means at the moment.
> "Variables that can be counted on, as users can't change them i
On 10-02-2006 01:30:40 -0700, Duncan wrote:
> Grobian posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
> Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:48:32 +0100:
>
> > .. [3] For the purpose of readability, we will refer to 1, 2 and
> >4-tuples, even though tuple in itself suggest a fie
On 10-02-2006 20:22:06 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:47 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On 09-02-2006 23:50:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:48:32 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | > wrote:
&g
On 11-02-2006 20:05:58 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:28:34 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > kfreebsd-gnu is, in effect, one example you're using already. You'd
> | > have x86 as the arch, FreeBSD as the kernel and GNU as the use
On 13-02-2006 18:49:18 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:39:06 +0100 Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | NOTABUG sounds good, but as Ciaran said, we need another replacement
> | for those bugs who really deserve it. If a user sticks
> | -fvisibility=hidden into his
On 13-02-2006 19:21:57 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:07:51 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | If these frustrations get so apparent that they require a solution
> | flag in Bugzilla for a developer, then it might be a better solution
> |
On 13-02-2006 21:02:28 +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> On Monday 13 February 2006 20:29, Grobian wrote:
> > Maybe that has to change then? Like getting more bug wranglers that
> > also handle canned responses as a first-line helpdesk?
>
> Wrangle bugs a few months and you&#
e
- note on USE-expansion variables and use of variables separate +
example
- defined semantics env-map file interpreter
- defined requirements for env-map file expressiveness
- added precise specification of allowed characters in keywords
Constructive comments are welcome.
On 09-02-2006 22:48:32
On 02-03-2006 20:19:19 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:10:02 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | I'm also convinced that deliberate circumvention is easy to detect.
>
> In that case, please provide a list of cases where !arch? flags are
> being used to circu
At last... :)
Welcome Emanuele!
On 06-03-2006 20:41:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Slightly late but never the less I'd like to introduce Emanuele
> Giaquinta (exg) who joined the team a few weeks ago. Emanuele will be
> working on Gentoo/OSX and ppc stuff when he's not making u
On 09-03-2006 12:30:33 -0500, Alec Warner wrote:
> Regardless, I'd like to reach a conclusion about this, was GLEP 47
> submitted to the council for the next meeting?
As far as I know: no. I didn't myself because I'm having a problem with
ppc-macos and the upcoming x86-macos (they will probably h
Unless somebody else wants to do it, I am about to step in here to keep
GNUstep in the tree. I already did some research on it, and it seems it
needs an update, and the previous maintainer masked a few of the CVS
ebuilds, so that eases things a bit. Seems many of the packages can use
an upgrade,
Have a look at these:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/27451
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/30090
On 21-03-2006 14:19:31 +0100, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I noticed 'logrotate' is becoming quite generic as a use flag:
--
Fabian Groffen
--
gen
On 19-03-2006 11:16:10 +0100, Grobian wrote:
> I would really like to see a new GNUstep maintainer
[...]
Gentoo is now officially looking for people interested to maintain,
expand (*and FIX* :) ) GNUstep applications on Gentoo. We expect
interested persons to be willing to maintain GNUstep i
On 07-04-2006 11:07:28 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> I mean, as a purely hypothetical example... Could you imagine just how
> many dumb feature requests, questions and requests for code from the
> unwashed masses someone would get if they admitted to having an early
> alpha of an alternative to P
On 20-10-2006 15:00:26 -0500, Mike Doty wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Just a random thought that popped into my head:
>
> We could have a commit fest where everyone who wants to compete kicks in
> some small amount of money(say $5) maybe the foundation kicks in a
S
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
By the way, I am working to get catalyst running on OSX, so version 2.0
will definite suit your needs when it is released.
If you need help on OSX specific things, be sure to contact us...
--
Fabian Groffen
eBuild && Porting
Gentoo for Mac OS X
--
gentoo-dev@gentoo.o
Extracted from what Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
That's not a valid argument - you can use a bash function for calling
echangelog and repoman as shown numerous times on this list.
See my first answer (bash function).
See my first answer (bash function).
From a database point of view, it
for the column. And so
that left outer join is here to generate the Changelog to be "backwards
compatible"
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Wednesday 17 August 2005 14:36, Grobian wrote:
From a database point of view, it is evil to duplicate values in an
automate
Maurice van der Pot wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 09:28:47PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Bah! No I'm not, because Sven pointed out that it collides with the
bugzilla resolution. So I'm going with CHECKED instead.
Whoah! Isn't REVIEWED the perfect keyword?
or APPROVED?
--
Fabian Groffe
Ricardo Loureiro wrote:
Usable in the way that the client machines should be able to use
portage, except it's the hacked (or new package) version that should
do everything from the SQL server. For example, a emerge package
would behave in 2 possible ways;1- calculate it's dependencies from
the
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
AFAIK "CDATA" will be satisfied by one single space as well...
One of the drawbacks of DTD's. In general schema's are better in
specifying an xml format, as they allow restrictions on CDATA, and more
freedom in other areas (like true order independence).
Is there a r
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
One reason is that there still is no real agreement on what schema to support.
Also when I wrote those I was more at home with DTD's than with WXS or
Relaxng, and xmllint (part of libxml2) did not support WXS validation.
I'll look into creating a WXS version.
Is WXS a
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