s additional detail, perhaps) would suffice, I'd think:
Authors
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Pareda, Simon Stelling, Alin Dobre, and Joseph Jezak
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Mark Loeser wrote: [Wed May 24 2006, 04:37:44PM CDT]
> Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > How was the conversion done? Do we now have a tool to convert rst to
> > guidexml, or was the conversion all done by hand (which would be a truly
> > frightening
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> Basically, it would be something that allowed you to "browse" the current
> tree of submitted ebuilds. This way users that submit something can
> categorize it for devs to easily look for ebuilds they may be interested
> in, and we can make it so we could easily grab the ebuild
t;) that was either
overlooked in the rest of that thread or ignored because people
considered it to be useless; I'm not sure which. In any event, I just
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> -motif - is unmaintained in portage and rather outdated, does not look good.
> Should not be default for optional interfaces
I believe that flag is mainly there to reduce the "Hey, my xpdf package
lacks the xpdf binary" bugs.
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peer review? Do we have
any statistics or anecdotal evidence for what's improving, and whether
or not anything is getting worse as a result?
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ion. Probably the
> same for a few archs.
I didn't say that the x86 policy was a bad one. I was rather hoping
that x86 was doing peer review and at least one other arch team wasn't,
since then we could try to make some sort of quantitative comparison.
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ES, CFLAGS, and CXXFLAGS per package? (Of course,
I do realize that it's the lack of such files that lead vapier to
propose his solution, which is rather more convenient for one-off
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, I'd think that would make life
much simpler for everybody.
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So, what would people think of moving herds.xml from gentoo/misc into
the portage tree, with the rationale being that local tools could use
that information for various useful purposes (compiling statistics,
doing something that I can't think of right now, whatever)?
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entoo.org address and add a portage hook that warns whenever the
project sunrise overlay is used, then our reputation isn't really likely
to suffer even if it's a complete disaster.
So, Chris, what have I failed to address that would make this a really
bad idea?
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at people are likely to
install outside of portage, the kernel would be it.)
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es and then create local accounts
with those values. Anybody who actually has a clue want to chime in?
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tee again, which is more
than enough administrative annoyance all by itself.)
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If you run
into any problems, please let me know. All current devs are eligible to
vote.
Incidentally, I'm currently serving as an election official since I'm
not running for a spot on the Council. It would be good to have a
couple other people acting as officials, too. Volunteers?
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Christel Doty wrote: [Thu Aug 10 2006, 12:34:50PM CDT]
> Sure, just let me know what you need me to do Grant :)
Thanks! Um, I'm not quite sure what's going to be needed just yet,
but I'll keep you informed.
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Olivier Crete wrote: [Thu Aug 10 2006, 11:42:14AM CDT]
> On Thu, 2006-10-08 at 10:57 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> I volunteer (again).. What's the status on the search for voting
> software ?
Well, fmccor has suggested STV[1], so the current plan is to use
"countify&quo
Greg KH wrote: [Thu Aug 10 2006, 12:42:47PM CDT]
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:57:14AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > Well, we don't yet have reliable software in place to _count_ votes,
> > but that's no reason not to start collecting them. The polls are now
> >
that sets Gentoo
apart. My guess is that it also makes Gentoo devs less willing
to pigeon-hole themselves into a rigid project structure, but I don't
really have any evidence of that.
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e the user could just mask out /etc/logrotate.d
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't remember what happened w/ this one
49 (alt package manager 1) --> R (by council; sane API preferred)
50 (alt package manager 2) --> R (by council; sane API preferred)
51 (knowledge base) --> GDP want to approve this one so I can change
the code?
I hadn't
looked at the actual GLEP. Updated in CVS.
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owever, I just took on that role with a view to getting
> things moving again, so given that the GLEP is more a statement of
> intent than something to be implemented I would say it can probably be
> marked final at some point.
Marked final.
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ing), and then requiring in-tree package
managers to implement that API. Or at least that was my understanding
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On 9/7/06, Chris White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
All responses off list please. Please people, it's common sense to read emails before you reply to them. :-)-- David Granthttp://www.davidgrant.ca
Here's the "master ballot" for the election. Confirmation e-mails will
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esult: option jakub wins
result: option spb wins
result: option patrick wins
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Wernfried Haas wrote: [Mon Sep 11 2006, 11:23:03AM CDT]
> I'd like to send my unofficial congratulations to the new council then.
> Also thanks to the folks who did the technical stuff behind the vote.
>
> Btw, how many people actually voted?
121
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e out of it will be supported by the community
as a whole. If we need to change things to make that reality more clear, I'm
certainly willing to listen to suggestions.
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ately it is developer self-interest that keeps things
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On 9/27/06, Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,It is with great pleasure that I announce the devification of Tiziano'dev-zero' Müller. He writes us:"I'm from Zurich, Switzerland. Born here and still living here :-)I'm studying physics at the University of Zurich and working
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willing to actually do the work?
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;ll do 'blah' w/ the new CD, could somebody let me know
the best way to do this", I suspect that everybody would be happier.
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but it does, at least, make things look less
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As I write this, it's 17:42 UTC, and the polls close at some microsecond
before 00:00 UTC. If you haven't voted and you wish to be a member of
the Gentoo Foundation (and you're eligible), please do so.
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in a ballot that caused it not to be counted, so hopefully
this process will help reduce the number of similar errors.
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Thanks to all who voted!
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list of eligible voters for
the current election, and codergeek42, fmccor, and gustavoz, who are
the other election officials (and who, presumably, will be providing
independent confirmations of the election results).
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ned path. The options are:
(1) Follow the bylaws, and the remaining trustees will pick a
replacement.
(2) Bump up the largest vote recipient who didn't make the cut (r103).
(3) Or re-open nominations
Personally, I'm least fond of option 3, since I'd really like us to get
to
Grant Goodyear wrote: [Mon Oct 23 2006, 09:50:02AM CDT]
> *Sigh* Unfortunately, the bylaws have yet to be approved (mainly
> because the quorum requirements would kill us). Thus, there is no
> well-defined path. The options are:
>
> (1) Follow the bylaws, and the remaining trust
Stefan Schweizer wrote: [Mon Oct 23 2006, 04:35:50PM CDT]
> To my fellow Gentoo Devlopers and Users,
[lots snipped]
Truly, the sarcasm doesn't help. It takes a potentially reasonable
grievance and reduces it to just the author appearing to be a jerk.
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e extreme there. For the previous and current changes to
GLEP 39 the changes are much smaller, and I'd rather see the changes
done inline. *Shrug* It's a slippery slope, but I'd rather rely on
common sense until there's actual evidence that it's failing.
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Wed Oct 25 2006, 11:17:09AM CDT]
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:48:57 -0500 Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | (Incidentally, I apologize for missing the meeting. I was in
> | intensely boring radiation safety training.)
>
> Uh, isn'
> The simplest way is a line based format
> ...
At the risk of reopening a large can of worms, can somebody explain to
me why the license groups idea won't run into the same conceptual issues
that derailed GLEP 29 (USE groups)? Am I missing something obvious?
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make it easy for our
users to create and use their own, customized, distribution. That's our
strength as a meta-distribution. (We also need to make it easy to
install and replicate custom distributions, but we already have Catalyst
and the Seeds project addressing those issues.)
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on -dev it appeared that infra was
essentially saying "We know best, we're not changing how we do things,
and we don't want to talk about it". If that appearance were, in fact,
the reality, then appealing to the Council would seem to be perfectly
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Thanks, that's quite helpful.
What did you do (or not do) to avoid paying the SPF_NEUTRAL SA "penalty"
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election to a Council position because only a handful of people ran for
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Tue Jan 30 2007, 12:27:49AM CST]
> * Hard dep upon boost. This sucks for g++-4.1 users.
Agreed. Worse, it's a stop-gap measure, since presumably the long term
solution is for tr1 to be supported directly by the compiler on all
archs. So, any work done with this approach w
eas, it may be that a not-so-good one will need to be enacted
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evs that maintain those packages are understandably
touchy about having other devs break those ebuilds. For the majority of
packages in the tree, though, I'd like to encourage their maintainers to
be less possessive. If somebody wants to fix bugs in ebuilds that I
maintain, go right ahead. Jus
http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/02/speaking-of-summer.html
So, are we going to want to participate again this year?
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ojects that at least have the potential to benefit more of the
community than just Gentoo. *Shrug*
Assuming we decide to be a mentoring organization again, I'm willing to
help with the paperwork and administrative stuff.
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ought would satisfy the license) where the full list of authors would
be listed on the front page as a simple, compact list of names. The
appendix would still detail which author wrote what. That's what you'll
see on the current devmanual, and as far as I know everybody involved is
con
ith that approach, though: right now
it is not clear that Gentoo has a group of devs who are sufficiently
trusted and willing to actually punish incivility. Thoughts?
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Josh Saddler wrote: [Mon Mar 05 2007, 03:51:08PM CST]
> Technical point here -- the devmanual has never been in GuideXML; it was
> converted from RST into docbook.
Oh! My apologies.
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pon, and accepted in part, in
whole, or not at all by the Council. If they take too long, or their
work is too paludis-biased, or if people just don't trust the authors,
then nothing is preventing anybody else from writing a competing spec.
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bitching about these kinds of things should be considered bad netiquette,
but that's just me. At least Tom Wesley's comment could have been sent
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this technically, instead of /politically/ *shock horror*..
[rest snipped]
Please, stop.
This thread has mostly died out, and it would be nice not to fan the
flames again.
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way or another.
Despite how critical I'm being, I really do appreciate the work that
has gone into this so far. Thank you very much.
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Robin H. Johnson wrote: [Tue Mar 13 2007, 06:05:10PM CDT]
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:09:53PM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > * Can we find a better name than "the Proctors", please?
> > Yes, that's a completely petty point, but it was the first
> >
difference lies? Are we sure that we're solving the right
problem? (That's not a rhetorical question; I really don't know the
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the rest of the community doesn't have to deal with him, then I'm
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proposal?
My personal opinion is that I wouldn't characterize it as a
high-priority project for either Gentoo or Paludis, but the
quality of the proposal itself is decent and real thought has been
put into it. (I can't figure out why this project would need both
boost.
rong, obviously-Gentoo-specific proposals, I suspect
they'll push the less-Gentoo-specific proposals right off the acceptance
list, unless those alternative proposals are amazingly impressive.
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Sat Mar 24 2007, 11:38:45AM CDT]
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:30:55 -0700
> Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > PS. So, anybody have any actual technical comments about this
> > > propos
relying on freenode as our sole IRC host, since freenode would
certainly count as a single vendor.
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e system". The
reason we give such sweeping CVS privs is precisely so that people can
fix broken packages. Just don't break anything when you do it. If you
do, then you deserve to have the council thump you.
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ncil is wrong,
then the Council is extremely likely to listen. If they don't, vote
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on what you
think you know. Here's an example: "That last paragraph doesn't seem to
agree with what I've observed, where Could you explain where the
discrepancy arises?"
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eeBSD but
using glibc be called? (It's not an entirely academic question;
Debian folks have worked on such a distribution for some time.)
I can't really tell from the text in your proposed GLEP.
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as supposed to
be a proctor directive.) Or are people really looking for the proctors
to get involved only when behavior is particularly egregious? Is there
a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as
has been suggested?
Well reasoned thoughts and opinions welc
oject instead of -dev, so I don't see that it's going
to affect me very much.
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e-up on my
blog detailing what we know so far:
http://www.grantgoodyear.org/g2blog/gentoo/20070717-sflc.html
I'm cross-posting to -dev, and suggesting that comments be sent
there as well, since most people don't read -nfp.
If you think this is a good idea, a bad idea, or you just wan
hat the meeting was moved to the 16th, to
avoid conflicting with LWE. No?
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r program is only intended to allow users to have two MTAs
_installed_ on the same box, not actually have them both running
simultaneously. It works pretty well for that, but I agree that there
seems to be little real need for it. I have no objection to it going
away.
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ur students accomplished last year? I doubt there are many,
despite the fact that some good work was done last year.
Thoughts? Comments?
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For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce?hl=en
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allows for linking to static, dynamic or both
> should the static USE flags be used to change from dynamic (proposed
> default behaviour) to static, or ADD so build process uses
> static/dynamic
> (using static and staticonly if 3 states are needed?)
In any event, would just ask vapie
talled for them, and since
it's not all that difficult we should probably oblige, and that (b) some
users won't want any logrotate scripts installed. Most optional things
of this sort or handled by USE flags, although I'll grant that sometimes
we decide by fiat that things should be do
anks for the note.
My personal opinion is that this sort of news item is the sort of thing
that we need to do a better job of announcing widely. I'm going to CC
the GWN folks on this e-mail as well as our PR folks, to see if either
of those groups want it.
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Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Mon May 02 2005, 08:39:48AM CDT]
> On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 19:00 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > Thanks for the note.
> >
> > My personal opinion is that this sort of news item is the sort of thing
> > that we need to do a better job of announci
problem, but otherwise
this GLEP appears sound, and I believe that the portage team has
something along these lines as part of their long-range plans.
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not allowed to have a say?
Feel free, that's why dsd posted a notice on -dev. Reply here, or on
the forums, or wherever, and people will probably notice.
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acker-boot
Task-force
Keep-current
Reopen-nominations
My sincere thanks to those who voted.
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I do wonder if a long
polling period makes it easy for people to procrastinate and then forget
about it at the end (which I know is what happened in at least one
case).
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Aron Griffis wrote: [Tue Jun 14 2005, 10:12:40AM CDT]
> Here is the master ballot for the metastructure2005 election. I will
> send out individual emails with confirmation numbers shortly.
Thanks to ciaranm, we now have pretty graphs to go along with the
results.
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to live with that
requirement.
All that said, if I'm completely missing the point please feel free to
tell me.
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his way! *Grin*
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ked (-infra is working on the details).
Best,
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