Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for advanced useflag-syntax

2006-08-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
W.Kenworthy wrote: My personal opinion is that whilst things like modular X are good for developers, they are not so good for users - particularly gentoo users. Definitely not true. The X.Org 7.1 release shared the vast majority of packages with 7.0, so there were very few upgrades -- just a f

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Zac Medico wrote: I've written a patch [1] that implements support for use.force and package.use.force as originally described by Sven Wegener [2] over a year ago. Basically, this feature is the exact opposite of use.mask and package.use.mask. It forces USE flags to be enabled. The only way

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jason Wever wrote: > This could allow for us to get rid of the nofoo use flag nomenclature > that folks have been doing for functionality that is highly suggested to > be on by default. So would just adding it to make.defaults ... people using -* deserve what they get, if they don't pay attention.

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Uh, no it wouldn't. Part of the reason we have no* flags is to avoid > dep problems. Consider: > > USE="!foo? ( some_unavailable_on_x86_package )" > > versus: > > USE="nofoo? ( some_unavailable_on_x86_package )" > > The nofoo flag can be use masked. The foo flag can't.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Olivier Crete wrote: > It was chosen by brad_mssw to match the way it is done on ia64. And I > think we should continue to put the binary > app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-* in /emul/ and that lib32 should be > reserved for properly installed packages using portage whenever we > manage to get portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 10 August 2006 15:42, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: More generally we have varying approaches to pre-built packages; app-office/openoffice-bin installs to /usr for example, while mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-bin and www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin install to /opt. w

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles

2006-08-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: > I think both our points are that there is a middle ground between > screwing the user outright and holding their hand. If you want to > trumpet the change on forums, on www, on -announce, get the message out > there; then I'd be more for a change like that. The problem is las

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)

2006-08-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Toth wrote: > Hi, > > I posted this to the bugzilla, but was redirected here, so: > > INTRO: > I have just a small proposal. There are many theme packages in portage, > but many good are still missing, the problem I actually noticed when > creating my own ebuild for comix cursors, is that t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting USE_EXPAND defaults in profiles (in some cases)

2006-08-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > For ebuilds that use USE_EXPAND to pull in other dependencies rather > than just internally building drivers (I suspect xorg is the only one), > I've been thinking of a way to make the whole setup cleaner. > > agaffney suggested this in the first pla

Re: [gentoo-dev] mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Herbie Hopkins wrote: I'm not sure why /emul was originally chosen though it's a choice I've just gone along with whilst maintaining these packages. I've always viewed the emul libs as a temporary measure until we had full multilib fuctionality in portage. Afaik the only person working on this wa

[gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
I just posted this to my blog [1], but I know you don't all read it so I wanted to post it here as well. Do read all the way through. I very rarely write anything this long, and when I do, it's something I feel very strongly about. I started my fourth year as a Gentoo developer in June, and Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 02:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> All in all, the vocal minority has done a splendid job of becoming more >> influential, crippling Gentoo's ability to do anything at all about its >> members, their flames,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Wernfried Haas wrote: > I rather have the current process with all its problems than one > single ruler deciding stuff, even if he decides good - or like a total > moron, you just never know with kings. > The king is dead, long live the council! The council doesn't actually do anything AFAICT, it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:52, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: What? This doesn't make any sense. People bitching and moaning and screaming all over -dev until no one else has any interest in pursuing anything has nothing to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When I think about where Gentoo was when we turned into a democracy years ago, and where Gentoo is now, I don't see much of a difference on the large scale. We lack any global vision for where Gentoo is goin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Marius Mauch wrote: Donnie isn't much clearer either (it's mostly observations mixed with personal feelings, not much in real problem anlysis). Yeah, later I'll probably boil that down into something more bullet-pointy. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:00 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Oh, gimme a break. Screaming about it on -dev for hundreds of posts >> isn't just equivalent to a vote, it's better. It makes people think >> there's more than 2 develope

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:54 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> Most of these problems could be solved if we had a council that was far >> less spineless, a council that's prepared to address the *real* issues >> rather than doing nothing, a council that shows leadership and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:36 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> From what I see, projects are pretty free to govern themselves. How do >> you see it differently? > > How do you kick someone out of a project? Currently, I know of no way > to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 08:55:33AM -0500, Mike Doty wrote: >> If that's not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you >> have to pay for like RHEL. Their testing is no better than ours, but >> at least paying something entitles you to bitch at them. > Or co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] Bugzilla access for contributors

2006-09-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stefan Schweizer wrote: > Elfyn McBratney wrote: >> thus that developer can request >> write access for them. It's worked like that for at least two >> years... > > I did that and devrel asked me to write a GLEP. If you can show me another > way to do it, I would like to hear about it! I have two

Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Doty wrote: > What vote? I don't remember one. 5 nominees, 5 positions. Did you want a popularity contest among them? Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Doug Goldstein wrote: > The following global USE flags have been deleted from the tree because > no ebuild uses them. > > dba > dio > ingres > msession > nhc98 > oggvorbis > zeo Have you looked in eclass/ ? A quick grep for those sees a lot popping up in php eclasses. Thanks, Donnie signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Curtis Napier wrote: > Giving ad space to our sponsors is legal for us to do as a Not For > Profit because they are donating goods and/or services to us. > Technically we are not giving them "ads", we are acknowledging the > donated goods and/or services. Just like PBS does at the beginning of > it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

2006-09-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no > progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless > someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30 > days. In the future, could you please CC the maintaine

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

2006-09-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 12:32 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: >>> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no >>> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless >

[gentoo-dev] Monolithic X unsupported

2006-09-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, This is a formal notice that monolithic X is no longer supported. Developers with X-dependent packages may pull the || virtual/x11 section and retain just the modular dep list. Monolithic X will receive no further security updates, and is currently subject to at least one local security vu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monolithic X unsupported

2006-09-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > so we're clear (cause i might have just missed it on irc) but there will be > a "meta monolithic" ebuild right ? one that has all the same deps as what > the current monolithic provides ? Not planning on it. There will be the xorg-x11 metabuild that provides a recommende

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monolithic X unsupported

2006-09-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > how about a local USE flag like "all-the-junk-in-the-trunk" ? Why? Just makes more work for us, for no apparent reason. I'd rather be able to pull unused stuff from the tree after a while than add a new option to install stuff nobody will ever run. Thanks, Donnie signat

Re: [gentoo-dev] colon separated variables in /etc/env.d/

2006-09-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Zac Medico wrote: > We can store them in /etc/env.d/ itself. The env-update tool could > be hare coded to consider COLON_SEPARATED and SPACE_SEPARATED as > being implicitly within the SPACE_SEPARATED class. The tool would > make one pass to accumulate those two variables, and then another > pass

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council election master ballot

2006-09-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:27:39 -0500 Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Here's the "master ballot" for the election. Confirmation e-mails > | will follow. > > And here're the graphs that you've all come to know and love, showing > once again that Condorcet is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] xinitrc/startx scripts unification

2006-09-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lukasz Pawelczyk wrote: > I wanted to fill bugzilla report about this but found few existing > without neither serious solution nor being current. > > There is an incosistency in current xinitrc behaviour (i'm only talking > about xinitrc run through startx, not {k,g,x}dm). Either Joshua Baergen

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Council] #gentoo-council

2006-09-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Danny van Dyk wrote: > Just a short note: > > The new council will be showing more presence in #gentoo-council. > This means: even when no meeting is taking place you can reach us all > together on IRC to discuss Gentoo development or to point out problems. Great! It's good to hear this. But how

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: "bring the work to the main tree"? As in... duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst for quite some time? Catalyst doesn't provide ongoing maintenance or migration of installed systems ... you need more than just a spec file for one of these seeds. Why h

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > I apologise to everyone for my responses to this. Thank you. Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:38, Alec Warner wrote: >>> I think Chris's primary concern is one of "Tell us whats up before it >>> happens." >> >> why should he care ? some Gentoo guys take catalyst and produce >> stage4s directed at certain app

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Danny van Dyk wrote: > * How do you want to implement the profiles? > > * Re: the meta-ebuilds you'd been talking about in this thread: Have you > yet considered to use the profiles' packages file? I've mentioned this idea to Stuart. Thanks for bringing it up again. Do you think it's the best w

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Joshua Jackson wrote: > However, as > Chris stated loudly, that this is something that falls directly in > line with Release Engineerings goal. Its not a top level project that > creates something entirely new. Its a extension of the release of > images that allow you to install a system. Sure, ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: To delay progress, Chris will need to make a formal complaint to the Council. About what? Our own metastructure proposal explicitly says competing projects are allowed. There is no complaint, there's just attempts to convince each other that a formal hierarchy is actuall

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Ostrow wrote: Here is my take on the issue, it's something I saw happen when Gentoo on Mac OSX was announced, again with Sunrise, and now with Seeds (also note I'm not making a value judgment about any of the aforementioned projects, I just note a similar progression of events). There are

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris White wrote: 1) Weekly summary of the project provided about Saturday my time, as that's about the only guaranteed free time I can provide More communication in Gentoo is always good. We're nowhere near the tipping point of too much communication. 2) Working with both sides to produce

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 07:59, Brian Harring wrote: Why have the explicit var? Because 0.9.7a through 0.9.7c may all be compatible, but 0.9.7d isn't. If you force an automatic algo that tries to (effectively) guess, you get a lot of rebuilds through a,b,c, end resul

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:14, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Not adding it into the ebuild means that it's impossible to show in advance what packages will actually be installed, because you don't know whether the sover will bump. sometimes you dont know as th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-10-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Duncan wrote: Could you point me at some info on this one (-ftree-vectorize)? It came up on the amd64 list a week or so ago, when someone asked what I thought of it and why I didn't have it in my cflags (which I had just explained). I said I didn't know enough about it to make a case either way

Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting number of parallel builds for other build-systems than 'make'

2006-10-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Tiziano Müller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone It seems that setting the number of parallel builds using '-jN' does not only work for make, but also for scons and bjam (and maybe others as well). Since it isn't save to assume that '-jN' is the only option in MAK

[gentoo-dev] Modular X: Feel free to drop DEPEND on xextproto

2006-10-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
I just added xextproto to the RDEPEND of libXext, so anything that pulls in libXext no longer needs an explicit DEPEND on xextproto as well. Feel free to drop xextproto from any package with an RDEPEND on libXext, libXp, libXaw, libXmu, etc. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 27: Revisited (aka dynusers/creandus)

2006-10-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Kelly wrote: > All the files are handled like other files in cascading profiles. Each > line in the file is either a shell-style comment, or of the form: > "key: value". The keys are: uid, shell, home, groups, comment, and gid. I'd prefer that the format be key=value for easier use by bash

Re: [gentoo-dev] Linking to Gentoo-wiki from www.gentoo.org

2006-10-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Josh Saddler wrote: > And /proj/en/ is up to the individual projects; /proj/ docs have nothing to do > with /doc/, which is where the primary official Gentoo documents reside. >> Daniel Ostrow wrote: >>> or anything else within the www.gentoo.org namespace... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in Developer Relations and log of devrel meeting

2006-10-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:41:52 + Bryan Østergaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | 2. There's been some concern that things said in private has been > | leaked. > > You mean devrel still hold secret meetings behind people's backs, and > say things that they don't want oth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Let's see, about 400 packages are handled by KDE herd. Not sure how many are > currently handled by X11 herd after modular Xorg was addded, Around 300, by Josh and me. The number of packages is completely irrelevant on its own, you need to combine it with the am

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Now, perhaps what everyone would like, instead, would be status reports > *where necessary* from certain projects? > > In fact, the council has been discussing asking a few projects about the > status on some of their tasks. The main reason for this is for > communicatio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas Cort wrote: >> Unnecessary: again, be more specific. What are the "unnecessary" >> projects, and why? > > Projects that aren't needed to further Gentoo and are not helpful to > users or developers. Since Gentoo doesn't have any global goals, it's impossible to tell what's furthering them a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas Cort wrote: > I mainly wrote "No competing projects" because there aren't any rules > preventing competing projects. Since top level projects don't need > discussion or formal approval from anyone, any dev could make their > own Gentoo/x86 project. I think that's crazy. Sure, you could in t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: >> Now, perhaps what everyone would like, instead, would be status reports >> *where necessary* from certain projects? >> >> In fact, the council has been discussing asking a few projects about the >> status on some

[gentoo-dev] LTSP native port

2006-10-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, I'm working on bringing a native LTSP port to Gentoo [1-6]. Do any of you want to help? Debian and Ubuntu developers have already put significant effort into making it semi-distribution-neutral and have mostly working native ports, so we're basing our work off theirs. To help, you must be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-10-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Tim Yamin wrote: > Lately however, the "fun" and the motivation just hasn't been there > for the reasons I've outlined above; it's finally taken its toll, and > I believe the time to move onto new projects and ventures has finally > come for me. > > I would like to wish all of you the very best, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Timothy Redaelli (drizzt)

2006-10-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Petteri Räty wrote: > It's my pleasure to introduce to you Timothy "drizzt" Redaelli, the > latest addition joining to help out with the Gentoo/FreeBSD effort. I have to say, good taste in books. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kari Hazzard wrote: > There's a thing called self-reference criteria. It's anathema in marketing. > If > you think you know what is best for your users, you will all of your users > and thus most of your employees. Your users know what is best for them, *not* > you, as you are not a user (wheth

[gentoo-dev] ocfs-tools masked for removal

2006-10-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
People should be using ocfs2 now. ocfs-tools no longer compiles (bug #135473) and hasn't had an upstream release for more than 2 years. I've masked it for removal in 30 days. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42?

2006-10-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Zac Medico wrote: > * DEPEND atoms support SLOT dependencies of the form > ${CATEGORY}/${PN}:${SLOT}. No way, it happened!! So when can we start actually using this feature? Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Zac Medico wrote: > The intention is that the IUSE defaults will be used for default flags that > should be enabled regardless of profile. Then, package.use will be used for > flags > that might vary depending on the profile. I don't understand the reasoning of this. Could you expand on it? Wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Am I misunderstanding something? On re-reading this for the third or fourth time, I finally get it. IUSE defaults from the ebuild (+foo, etc), not IUSE defaults at the profile level. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: > Yeah, the big picture here is that make.defaults has been bloated by use > flags needed/relevant for one or two ebuilds only for quite some time > and users and devs alike have been ranting about the same for quite some > time... Bloated doesn't even apply here. Why does anyone

[gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?

2006-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Someone gave me a patch to mesa that uses bash-3 features, and it made me wonder how people feel about this. Adding individual deps to each ebuild is weird; I'd prefer to do this at the profile level, in profiles/base/packages. It already contains bash, so we'd just be enforcing a minimal version.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?

2006-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Marius Mauch wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:57:43 -0700 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Someone gave me a patch to mesa that uses bash-3 features, > > The package or the ebuild? The ebuild. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?

2006-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Marius Mauch wrote: > In that case adding >=bash-3 to "system" isn't sufficient. I'll leave > the detailed explanation to Brian, but the only thing you can rely on > in the ebuild environment is what the used portage version has in it's > dep strings when it was merged. > Not that it has much pract

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: RESTRICT=interactive

2006-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: Title: RESTRICT=interactive >>> I'd say it's good idea, although isn't RESTRICT=interactive a slight >>> misnomer? You are enforcing interactiveness, not restricting it :) >>> Although RESTRICT="non-interactive" sounds weird too, and introducing >>> new variable would be blo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: X.Org 7.1 is Stable

2006-10-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote: > Tach Joshua, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) > > Joshua Baergen schrieb: >> Sven Köhler wrote: >>> Hmm, xorg-server-1.1* is stable now, but xorg-x11-7.1 is not. Did you >>> forget that ebuild? ;-) >> Sure did! I fixed it a while ago th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Hardware stuff: Haven't seen anyone mention sys-apps/lshw yet, so I'll throw it out. It's useful to get detailed information about some stuff. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:01:58 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > Yup. Default USE flags are profile dependent data. The sensible > | > default value varies depending upon conditions like arch and system > | > role. > | > > | > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:56:00 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > There is a solution that provides all of the functionality of the > | > other, along with some functionality that the other does not > | > provide, wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?

2006-10-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 13 October 2006 20:05, Marius Mauch wrote: >> a) don't do anything and assume that everyone is already on bash-3. Not >> exactly nice but pragmatic. > > if they arent, then they're running wicked old baselayout which means their > system is horribly outdated anyw

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement

2006-10-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: > Andrej Kacian napsal(a): > >> Fix your mail client, and don't lay the blame on infra. I never did a >> misplaced >> reply with mine. > > I don't see what's there to fix, already told that the behaviour is > damned inconsistent with all other mailing lists. Fix the mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo Commitfests

2006-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:00:26 -0500 Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | I think this is a fun way to build some team spirit. > > I think it's a fun way to ruin QA by encouraging people to commit > broken stuff. How exactly does it do that? Thanks, Donnie signatu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Council] Summary of the last meeting

2006-10-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Danny van Dyk wrote: > Design phase for new projects: New projects need to post an RFC >containing information about their goals, the plan on how to >implement their goals and the necessary resources to -dev prior to >creating the project. > >This proposal was accepted with 6 memb

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect module for choosing between gnash and netscape-flash

2006-10-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
David Leverton wrote: > Yeah, that would be even better, but it doesn't seem to support > SeaMonkey (and a quick Google didn't find one that did), let alone > Konqueror, Opera, etc. I mainly thought the module would be a sensible > idea because there's already one for the Java plugin, but I suppos

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: license group file format

2006-10-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Marius Mauch wrote: > Ok, as there is currently a lot of work going on for GLEP 23 > (licese based visibility filtering aka ACCEPT_LICENSE) the topic of > license groups came up, in particular the way how they should be > (technically) defined. > > The simplest way is a line based format >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is there a tool to manage USE flags? (use-config?)

2006-10-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
m h wrote: > Other than a text editor? > > I'd like to have a tool that can add USE flags on a per package or > global level. (I'm doing this in some build scripts and would prefer > just to have a tool, rather than sed or some other shell hackery). Probably enhancing ufed or flagedit to enable

[gentoo-dev] kyro-drivers to go to a happy place in 30 days

2006-10-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
In 30 days, kyro-drivers will finally leave the tree and move on to a new life in the Attic. These binary-only drivers only work on 2.4 kernels and there's no anticipated 2.6 support that I know of. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] config-tools herd?

2006-10-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Anyone else interested in starting up a herd for configuration tools? Much of app-admin/ and probably many other packages would qualify. I'd like to get my system-config-* stuff into a proper herd and I'm sure many other people have packages in there for which they would like to do the same. Thank

Re: [gentoo-dev] Scheme herd team needs some love

2006-10-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Matthew Kennedy wrote: > No one is working on the Scheme herd in Gentoo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > includes only me, but I'm not doing anything with Scheme and don't > really care to either. > > Several of our Scheme implementations in Portage are out of date, > (chicken, gambit, drscheme, bigloo and,

[gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alternate subject: On the sudden appearance of USE=X for tons of stuff I really want to use font.eclass in x-modular.eclass to get rid of a lot of code duplication and more possible bugs. Problem is, it brings in IUSE=X for every single X package. I cannot figure out how to prevent this. Setting I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ignoring/overwriting IUSE from an eclass

2006-10-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Monday 30 October 2006 17:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Anyone got any ideas? The only one I have is to add significant missing >> functionality to font.eclass and switch every font package over that >> instead of x-modula

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

2006-11-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. Thanks for everything, Jon. You've been a great friend and will continue to be. That's more meaningful than any of the work we've done. Donnie si

Re: [gentoo-dev] treecleaner maskings

2006-11-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christian Heim wrote: > #152806 - net-wireless/aircrack > o requested by Alon Lev-Bar on behalf of crypto (as primary maintainer) > o superseeded by net-wireless/aircrack-ng Just so this doesn't end up in a GWN or something ... please spell it "superceded." Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Descr

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES to cut the excess in portage

2006-11-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
John Jawed wrote: > At larger sizes the loading the initrd would actually cause a kernel > panic on pivoting root...whether this was a result of a kernel config, > a set maximum size limit, or something else I'm not exactly sure of. Yes, there's a hardcoded limit in the kernel config that you can

Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 1.x and GNOME 1.x dependent package masking

2006-11-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Gryniewicz wrote: > I > didn't generate the list, but my understanding was that it was intended > to include all packages with a hard dep on gtk+-1, in addition to gnome > 1.x. Emphasis on the first sentence below.. Saleem Abdulrasool wrote: >GTK+-1 and glib-1 will not be removed at th

Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 1.x and GNOME 1.x dependent package masking

2006-11-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alin Nastac wrote: Daniel Gryniewicz wrote: We (gnome) are not going to maintain gtk+-1. We would very much prefer it get removed. If some other person or group wants to maintain it, I guess it's fine with me; it will only cause Jakub and company headaches for re-assigning all the bugs that mi

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:49:12 -0800 Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | The other option is to submit patches for X and KDE and Gnome to use | a unified license. At least in the X case, it's not that the patches | arn't welcome, it's that the maintainers have things mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:10:59 -0800 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > So you're saying that the X maintainers have more important things | > to do than fixing their ebuilds to follow policy? | | You keep saying it breaks policy but you'v

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: missing metadata.xml

2006-11-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christian Faulhammer wrote: Tach Steve, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Steve Dibb schrieb: There are more than a few packages with missing metadata.xml in the portage tree. I've setup my funky little QA website to report on which ones fall in that category, and here is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] [treequake] virtual/mysql addition

2006-11-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: If X or gtk were relevant to the client, then yes. Better be ready for USE flag for every GUI toolkit then (yuck). You only need a USE flag for the toolkit when there's a choice between multiple toolkits. The X flag is for a choice between any X interface or none. Th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, take your marks...get set...take stuff!

2006-12-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
James Ausmus wrote: x11-drivers/synaptics This should be x11-drivers, but somebody misspelled it with a capital X. Same goes for other stuff in this category and x11-base as well as ttmkfdir. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, take your marks...get set...take stuff!

2006-12-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: James Ausmus wrote: x11-drivers/synaptics This should be x11-drivers, but somebody misspelled it with a capital X. Same goes for other stuff in this category and x11-base as well as ttmkfdir. With the exception of xdirectfb. Someone please take that if you want it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split of the text-markup herd (sgml/tex)

2006-12-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alexandre Buisse wrote: That's why I propose to split the text-markup herd into two new herds : sgml and tex (if you can think of better names, feel free to propose them). I discussed it already with leonardop, who is mainly dealing with sgml stuff, and he thinks this is a good idea. This should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-GIS Overlay request

2006-12-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Luca Casagrande wrote: Hi to all! I am a user of geographic information system (GIS) on Linux and of Gentoo since 2003.With other Gentoo user, we created a ML about GIS software on Gentoo, to keep us in contact and annunce new ebuilds for software that is not in portage or is out of date. Righ

Re: [gentoo-dev] adopt an orphan

2006-12-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Hill wrote: I don't know what to do with unstaffed herds (eg. app-benchmarks). I guess it'd be better to get the packages into the herd rather than just leave them in maintainer-needed. I disagree, being in a herd gives people the impression that it's maintained. Thanks, Donnie -- gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-misc/ltsp

2006-12-31 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Josh Saddler wrote: > Christian Faulhammer wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> net-misc/ltsp will be removed on 15 Jan 2007, it has been hard masked >> today. There is no maintainer, we have an open security issue [1], so it >> will be punted. If someone steps to take it over, you know what to do. >> >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: making USE_EXPANDed variables incremental

2007-01-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stephen Bennett wrote: > Following a discussion in #gentoo-portage earlier this evening, it was > suggested that I send out an RFC email for this. So, does anyone object > to requiring that any variable listed in USE_EXPAND be treated as > incremental, at least as far as profile inheritance is conc

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: making USE_EXPANDed variables incremental

2007-01-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:24:49 -0800 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That means that the base profiles must have a minimal setting that is >> added to in lower profiles, rather than a reasonable default that's >> ent

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