On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:53:53 -0700 Joshua Baergen
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| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > So you propose we go through and change every package in the tree
| > that uses BSD or MIT (or GPL with the copyright disclaimer)?
|
| I propose that we decide on the correct
ot adding,
| upstream finally cut out all the code with these latest releases
Pretty much the same issue for findutils-4.3. You'll have to get the
argument order correct and remember to include the path.
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sary listed dependencies, and you do not
consider the impact upon our users to be relevant.
Is my understanding correct?
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rough those two or other scripts and
| things that won't honour aliases in bashrc.
If there are any hardcoded calls to /usr/bin/sed, it is reasonable for
you to ask for them to be fixed. For any others, use a wrapper script.
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| (and blockage) is very easy if necessary (eg, you use 200 unported
| packages or something).
That is exactly the issue. Your average ~arch user is going to get
pages and pages of nasty red incomprehensible blocks simply because
you're making Xorg 7 block the virtual rather than provide it.
en. ~arch
is for "will hopefully go stable after further testing", not "stuff
that has a very high chance of screwing you over".
You're deliberately causing nasty problems for ~arch users when there's
a very easy, clean workaround with far lower consequences and the same
doing this is that packages will never be fixed,
| right? Why not make the modular X provide virtual/x11 and just
| institute a policy that no new packages can go into stable with a
| virtual/x11 dependency? It could even be easily enforcable if
| necessary.
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:34:49 -0800 Donnie Berkholz
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| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:16:38 -0800 Donnie Berkholz
| > | I guarantee you that adding all of modular X to the virtual/x11
| > | will make this drag out for years, and THAT is
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:42:39 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| Email's pretty simple- from where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to
| be any actual progress on trustees issues.
*prod*
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:57:53 -0500 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| I personally am against both of these, mostly due to their
| automational nature.
Indeed. Repoman is significantly stupider than most developers. This is
just asking for trouble.
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:31:55 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| In fact, I'd like to have only sh, because I never use bash.
How did you become a Gentoo developer?
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| >
|
| My apologies, that should have been Mar[ck]uses!
No, that would be Marci. Now write it down a hundred times. If it's not
done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
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discussion. It's not that it's another file, it's
that it's another file in /etc, which is backed up and requires
administrator attention on every upgrade. Packages shouldn't stick
stuff in /etc on a whim.
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they shouldn't. This is a
repoman bug.
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:46:28 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| On Monday 30 January 2006 16:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:17:36 +0100 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò"
| > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > | Also, as repoman
, how should they be documented if not via use.desc?"
They shouldn't be.
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:03:38 + "Benjamin Smee (strerror)"
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| On Tuesday 31 January 2006 12:31, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > See, you're not really taking into account the cost of sticking
| > files in /etc. For packages where an etc entry is
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:06:35 + "Benjamin Smee (strerror)"
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| On Tuesday 31 January 2006 15:47, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > | What is the "cost" you are referring to specifically? I think I
| > | know but I'd like a specific d
e ebuild..
It shouldn't be a critical error. Criticals make it very hard for
people to fix other legitimate issues.
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| Thoughts?
I'd prefer "either /etc or /etc and /usr/share/doc" personally. But
yeah, that's a nice solution.
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:03:46 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen
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| On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 10:53:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > I'd prefer "either /etc or /etc and /usr/share/doc" personally. But
| > yeah, that's a nice solution.
|
| You
are perfectly capable of mentioning
| > this on the bug so the maintainer can fix it later :) A flag to
| > ignore it will make me, and probably other archs, happy though.
|
| I see broken dependencies with modular X
They're not broken. They're sub-optimal.
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kinds of common screwups, not to dictate what you must do. If repoman
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repoman is there to help catch certain kinds of common screwup, if
you're lucky. It is not there to be relied upon, and it is not there to
tell you what to do.
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. )"
Extension of the above: you should use ( ) after a use? even if it's
immediately followed by a ||.
There're quite a few oddities like this in the tree. I'll be either
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upon this behaviour, since it's extremely confusing.
I'll prod on IRC / file bugs for any obvious cases where it's
definitely wrong. There's also a full list, complete with a whole load
of legit cases, at:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~c
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| On Sunday 05 February 2006 17:11, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Another not-so-uncommon issue that crops up: packages DEPENDing upon
| > themselves. Sometimes this is legit -- one of the Ada compilers, for
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:25:43 -0500 Aron Griffis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| Outcome:
I've committed the amendment to GLEP 39 (council) as discussed. It
should show up on the web within an hour or three. If I or docutils
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e tree. If it has to be part of Portage, explain why.
There're various English issues too where things don't scan clearly to
a native reader, but it's probably not worth fixing them at this stage.
Let me know when you reach the point where using precise language is
important and I'll m
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:11:00 +0100 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò"
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| On Friday 10 February 2006 00:50, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Provision should be made for future ports that require more than two
| > keywords. There's no particular
not in the
| mapping?
Users that override CHOST to something outside of one of the safe forms
(or at all, on many archs) won't be able to compile anything anyway.
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n made between the space that
would be saved by using less clear names here and, say, the space taken
up by blank lines and comments in ebuilds...
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:14:26 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
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| On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 03:17 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:05:35 -0500 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > wrote:
| > | The words AUXFILE EBUILD MISCFILE DISTFILE c
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:47 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On 09-02-2006 23:50:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:48:32 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > wrote:
| > > Instead of proposing a 4-tuple [3]_ keyword, a 2-tuple
| > &g
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:44:11 +0100 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò"
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| On Friday 10 February 2006 21:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > kfreebsd-gnu is, in effect, one example you're using already. You'd
| > have x86 as the arch, Fre
. The right hand
| side of the 2-tuple is not a kernel or userland, it is an OS, which
| includes this in itself.
Mm. I'm not convinced that that justifies creating weird codes for
the weird cases...
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Standard practice is to define what's allowed, not what's forbidden,
and the usual range is a subset of a-zA-Z0-9_+:- .
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===
RCS file: /var/cvsroot/ge
of masked versions.
|
| No. Use the "=" to unmask a specific version only. For example:
|
| =sys-apps/findutils-4.2.25 ~x86
Usually better to use ~, so that you pick up any revbumps.
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:38:53 +0200 Eldad Zack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Is this a quirk or intentional:
|
| # eselect kernel show
| Current kernel symlink:
| linux-2.6.14.3/
|
| (notice the trailing slash there)
Mmm. What's your readlink?
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:27:33 +0200 Eldad Zack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Mmm. What's your readlink?
|
| sys-apps/coreutils 5.2.1-r7
Looks like it depends upon how ln -s was invoked as to what readlink
gives. Guess we'll have to work around that in a couple of places...
ll
packages that use said flag, and thus do not get a use.local.desc
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does, but it never got implemented. Doing things that
way could still be an option, but expand seems to be the cleaner
solution now.
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only 3 or 4 left.
The original "someone should GLEP this" was on adding extended USE flag
descriptions to metadata.xml.
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ho does the work gets the credit. If
you take all or a significant part of a user contribution, credit the
user. If you don't use the user contribution because their proposed fix
is lousy (a rather too common occurrence...), they just get credit for
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massive debugging sessions and
discussions that go on for dozens of pages.
But... If INVALID is renamed, could we get a new GOAWAY resolution for
people who really deserve it?
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his behaviour is limited to end users. Sadly
the same thing has been observed in certain Gentoo developers.
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where should these
| source files be installed in the file
| system? /usr/share/speech-tools?
No. /usr/include/speech-tools. Treat them as header files. Have a look
at libebt for an example.
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y from the users for a while.
Most of us don't have the luxury of being able to ignore real users...
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, given the flamefest that occurred
last time someone tried to tidy up commonbox...
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:55:33 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| 16.2.2006, 22:47:49, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:32:13 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > wrote:
| > | BTW, x11-misc/bbapm is about one month
| > | overdue (http://bugs.ge
r something you're not going to remove.
| Also, there wasn't exactly any flamefest so I don't know what you are
| referring to above. You sent out a mail and noone gave a damn about
| that stuff, should have been removed from from the tree 1 1/2 year
| ago.
Try looking harder next
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:14:42 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| 16.2.2006, 23:58:41, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:45:45 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > wrote:
| > | OMG, stop this crap and don't waste our time. You specifical
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:34:32 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > You should probably go and read herds.xml sometime.
|
| Or maybe you should, rather...
I said to go and read herds.xml. I'm not going to bother carrying on
with this if you won't even do that pr
libxfcegui4-4.2.2-r1: description:
major: DESCRIPTION is about as useful as a chocolate teapot
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ed is, for each package hosted
on Berlios, contact upstream and get them to give you a tarball via a
different location, then manually mirror it, and use mirror://gentoo/
in SRC_URI.
This really really sucks. Does anyone happen to know any of the Berlios
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| On Sunday 19 February 2006 10:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > It gets worse still. It looks like many our mirrors have broken
| > copies of certain Berlios-hosted tarballs.
|
| Shouldn't that be a gen
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| Got a positive answer. Any remaining issues?
Positive as in "yes, we'll fix it", or positive as in "yes, we're
mangling the tarballs and we hate you"?
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| like digests etc. , but thats another idea though).
Using a database does not save space or make things faster. Nor will it
make syncing any faster.
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What's the deal with no* values in RESTRICT? Is it RESTRICT="strip" or
RESTRICT="nostrip"? fetch or nofetch? Which values work with all
Portage versions, which work with only recent ones and which work
with none? The documentation and the code are both inconsistent on
thi
offenders shall be receiving bugs shortly, since That Which
Shall Not Be Named now checks for this.
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Does someone want to pick up dev-lang/nqc? It's a "C-like compiler for
Lego Mindstorms", and it needs some version bump loving (bug #89257)
and some nasty global scope code replacing.
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Bug #123923: dev-util/perforce* needs someone to step up as a
maintainer and fix the digest issues. Otherwise QA will get very upset.
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:45:41 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 14:19 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Two ways this one can occur.
|
| [snip]
|
| Third way ... upstream is a provider of commercial software, and
| releases different editions of
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| On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 20:00 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Then you must talk to upstream and get them to change their ways.
|
| Already covered in the (growing) discussion in bug #123926. UPSTRE
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:30:22 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 21:04 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Ok, so given that this is a closed source application, if upstream
| > won't cooperate on something as simple as this, why do you e
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:13:32 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 21:40 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > The issue is whether you have the right to leave broken packages in
| > the tree. I don't see any policy document granting you that r
ut
| rather a dynamic document that will be updated as new problems are
| discovered.
Hrm, do we want to include the thing about the QA standards providing
rationale and explanations rather than hard rules here?
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is still a QA violation.
|
| Is this a statement or a policy? I assume that if this is policy the
| non-visible issue would go about appropriate scrutany, and in turn a
| long-term solution made in the situation where it is not easily
| resolvable/avoidable.
This is to cover for situations where pe
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| On Sunday 26 February 2006 22:40, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > The issue is whether you have the right to leave broken packages in
| > the tree. I don't see any policy document granting you that right.
and non-repackagable. I doubt it's high priority...
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So if the maintainer sticks SANDBOX_DISABLE="1" rm -fr / in global scope
and refuses to move it, QA will have to get council approval to fix it?
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ct page. To be added, you must
convince the existing QA team that you know what you're doing.
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es straight away, QA could
have worked with you to get the thing fixed. This has happened on other
QA bugs, where a developer thought of a different solution to the
problem -- on other bugs, there was no problem because said developer
started a discussion rather than closing the bug off as WONTFIX,
and thanked us for pointing out the problem. The only reason this one
has gone so far is because of Stuart repeatedly closing the bug off and
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isregarding
| all new applicants because they enjoy having authority? Especially
| when its mis-placed authority.
Oh, that one's easy. We're all lazy and would never turn down someone
decent who is going to reduce our workload :P
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e. There're other parts of the document that address that. Getting
the issue fixed, however, has higher priority than any disciplinary
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e yet another "bb* is broken" bug. If you're
really looking to help here, solve the problem properly. There is more
to it than getting one bug closed.
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can easily be fixed in less overall
time than it would take to even detect one instance of a particular
severe problem, it's most definitely worth concentrating on the 'easy'
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:23:07 -0500 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:15:13 -0500 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > wrote:
| > | bbapm has been masked due to no one responding with anything
| > | useful to last r
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:26:10 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 17:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Abuse from people like you whenever someone finally gets brave
| > enough to document all the ways in which webapp-config is broken.
|
| Th
pp-config. What's your point?
My point is that that's a nasty QA bug that's relying upon input from
Stuart to be fixed. Whilst that one's still alive, I'm not going to go
around filing more similar "breaks non-interactively" bugs because the
discussion will just
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:49:23 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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| May I ask how is that related to webapp-config?
|
It is related to Stuart, and hence utterly relevant to the conversation.
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:04:52 -0600 Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > My point is that that's a nasty QA bug that's relying upon input
| > from Stuart to be fixed. Whilst that one's still alive, I'm not
| > going to go aro
SSL, it is
> favoured:
It's a QA violation, and not a feature as you claim.
I find it particularly worrying that you try to pass of blatant policy
violations as a feature. The first step in QA is detecting that there
is a problem.
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nothing that could be done here.
Until Portage can handle conflicting USE flags, one should take the
policy-mandated solution that has been sufficient for everyone else for
four years or more. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot
better than repeatedly exploding in the user's face
roperly if I'm doing it at all.
I'm still not convinced that it's worth my while, however, based upon
your past attitude of claiming "it's a feature". My time could better
be spent helping out developers who will actually fix their breakages.
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rtage doesn't offer a perfect alternative?
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till works and
| does not violate the sandbox. While it does things in the wrong
| way/place it does not do the wrong things.
Huh? It violates the sandbox even if you do 'emerge sync' and never
touch the ebuild. Look at the frickin' mkdir!
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