pletely called for and appropriate. No vulgarity,
> insults, or demeaning words were used. How would you have responded
> professionally?
It's important to remember that Gentoo is run by volunteers. Expecting
a professional standard when it comes to the quality of commit
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essments under the title of 'code review' in the
> style he does.
If you're writing the kind of code that results in you being subjected
to scathing criticism for breaking metadata generation for the entire
tree, then discouraging you from contributing can only be good for the
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to
> "pkg_config" and in contrast to "src_test" which runs within the
> working directory. Then "emerge --test" could run it.
For various technical reasons to do with the spec and package manglers
sometimes using phase function names with the src_ or pkg_ stripped
off, calling it that would be a huge pain.
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rindeal wrote:
> 1) what are they?
A horrible QA violation.
> 2) why are they used?
Because some people like to feel special...
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us in bug 353624 [1] and in the gentoo-dev
> mailing list [2,3].
Really, that policy predates REQUIRED_USE, and even EAPIs... In the
olden days, the rule was that USE flags were for things that were
optional, and that if something wasn't optional, then it shouldn't be
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have small numbers of users
are in personal repositories which everyone can see". Libraries and
packages that start to be used by many people get moved to one of the
central repositories; one way to tell that this needs to be done is
when it looks like the issues you think could happen actually start to
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:25:08 +0200
Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> I would tend to agree with those who have written that coordinating
> work across repos is kind of a pain.
How do you know? What is your experience in the area of coordinating
work across repos in a Gentoo-style distribution?
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gned the way it was out of necessity.
> I see no point in trashing ebuilds with dead code that will never
> be used. Though if there will be a PMS or eclass function with
> "proper" implementation, I don't mind, since extra code will be
> moved from ebuild elsewhere.
Slots are not the only way in which you can end up with multiple
installed versions of the same package. Another way is if there's a
fatal error during certain parts of the upgrade process.
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:23:48 +0300
Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:57:36 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:41:56 +0300
> > Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> [...]
> > > I see no point in trashing ebuilds with dead code that will nev
ed versions simultaneously.
> Do we have any test suits for portage (as the most popular PM
> implementation) for such cases? I doubt this, I can find none. I'm
> not sure if such tests are implemented in other PM test suits too.
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of the
package, and then remove the old one (and if you think about it for a
few seconds, you can see that it *has* to be this way). If an error or
ctrl+c occurs at the wrong point, both versions remain installed, and
importantly, there is a safe way to recover from this.
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wrong sometimes (and this is why code review exists), but it's not OK
to continue to argue that you were right out of stubbornness.
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ible failures (which don't get fixed, and which
lead to occasional weirdness) are better than visible failures (which
must be fixed) is an odd one... Postel has a lot to answer for.
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ills will be obsolete in five years. If you are
learning general principles and problem solving, the particular
language being used is much less important.
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:57:59 +0300
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> I strongly believe that it's important to have such a use case as
> Steam work problem-free in Gentoo.
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and how is it related to a Project? Shouldn't
there be a GLEP to define what a Working Group is first?
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:50:58 -0400
"Anthony G. Basile" wrote:
> On 8/14/16 5:45 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 23:35:58 +0200
> > Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> >> During the latest Council meeting it was determined to set up a new
so it
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articular time window had to sign
it, but anyone who started before didn't.
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involvement with
Github as a company is limited to them buying me an awful lot of
free booze once. I think you might be seeing conspiracies in the
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lid.
>
> https://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/file-format/index.html
>
>
> Why are uppercase characters strongly discouraged?
>
> Wouldn't it make sense to follow upstream's naming convention?
What's upstream's naming convention for Firefox?
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 13:24:29 -0500
Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 13:02:48 -0500
> > Mike Gilbert wrote:
> >> The devmanual states:
> >>
> >> The name section should contain
e social contract if Gentoo depended
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e made a deliberate decision not to use the word "atom" in PMS because
it means subtly different things in different contexts.
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:44:12 +0100
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 22:31:19 +
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > We made a deliberate decision not to use the word "atom" in PMS
> > because it means subtly different things in different contexts.
>
>
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:28:12 +0100
Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> "atom" is a well defined term in the gentoo world, so why not use it?
Because it isn't... Are set names atoms? Are package names without an
associated category atoms?
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 05:56:56 +1300
Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:23:58 +
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> > Because it isn't... Are set names atoms? Are package names without
> > an associated category atoms?
>
> If I use the content of man 5 ebu
one would
> intuitively expect it to do? Might it break older versions of portage
> on emerge --sync?
You can't put subslots in updates, since it's not EAPI controlled.
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nefits of the
> sub-slot/slot-operator, since the sub-slot has to be written to the
> vdb for both the package and all rdeps with slot-operator atoms.
If subslots are involved, a revbump is necessary when switching to
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:56:11 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> Any other suggestions on where to place it? And please don't say
> /var/lib because that would usually be backed up.
/var/db
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contain enough information for a PM to configure them properly...
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ed upstream or from mirrors.
>
> Maybe /var/lib would be a better choice? It would also take care of
> the issue with fetch-restricted files.
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ven better.
You shouldn't ever be typing that path in...
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:44:36 +0100
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >> We should go with a shorter (easier to remember, easier to type)
> >> path and move things at least one level up. Two would be even
> >>
ng FEATURES=preserve-libs are
> now stable, we should create a news item about this.
>
> Otherwise people will still be running revdep-rebuild a decade from
> now, as this feature was never formally announced as far as I'm aware,
> and all the mentions of it were ages ago and n
mail, I will most likely ignore this
> thread and keep doing our job like we do for many years.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m93x01rSVK1qjvxfho1_1280.jpg
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 03:17:06 +0100
Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/.
>
> I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem Hierarchy
> Standard:
>
> http://www.path
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:37:37 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> c) 'fixing' the use.stable.mask feature and wording it in such a way
> that it would apply to EAPI 5 (or 6) packages independently of
> profiles EAPI.
So what EAPI would be used to parse use.stable.mask?
ompatibility layer between portage (and sandboxed
> installation) and that lang-specific package managers.
The problem here is that CPAN, Gems etc don't follow their own
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ost rails apps.
Last time I looked at it, Gems' YAMLs file weren't legal YAML, and
couldn't be parsed by anything except Ruby's hacked version of Syck. So
yes, you have to.
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:03:20 +0100
Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> - if has ${EAPI-0} 0 1 2 3 4 && has doc ${IUSE} ; then
> + if has ${EAPI:-0} 0 1 2 3 4 && in_iuse doc ; then
This is still wrong... You can't use IUSE like that.
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:35:59 +0100
Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> Le dimanche 13 janvier 2013 à 19:09 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit :
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:03:20 +0100
> > Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> > > - if has ${EAPI-0} 0 1 2 3 4 &&a
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:47:18 -0800
Zac Medico wrote:
> REPLACING_VERSIONS always refers to packages with identical SLOT to
> the current package
No it doesn't. If you have foo-1:a and foo-2:b installed, and then you
install foo-1:b, it replaces both 1:a and 2:b.
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Which is a good thing, since it will force people to stop making
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:05:03 -0500
James Cloos wrote:
> >>>>> "CM" == Ciaran McCreesh writes:
> CM> Which is a good thing, since it will force people to stop making
> CM> incorrect assumptions.
>
> No, its a bad thing because it makes it harde
es a
valid category name, consult PMS. If you want to know what categories
are actually present, consult 'profiles/categories' or your package
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:14:38 -0500
Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:47:18 -0800 Zac Medico
> > wrote:
> >> REPLACING_VERSIONS always refers to packages with id
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Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 17/01/13 12:15 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> >> On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If y
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:35:12 -0500
James Cloos wrote:
> >>>>> "CM" == Ciaran McCreesh writes:
> CM> That's what's known as "doing it wrong". You should be querying
> CM> your package mangler for a list of categories, not doing an '
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people who install monkey-related packages. It doesn't affect server
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pecific example for how/why a non-desktop profile machine
> would need USE=dri. I think that the example may make it more
> obvious to people what is right or wrong here.
Your question is the wrong one to ask. What you should ask is whether a
non-desktop profile machine *would be in any way
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:12:37 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
>RDEPEND="dev-libs/libfoo[${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]
>dev-libs/libbar[ssl,${MULTILIB_USEDEP}]"
This looks like it might be a bit fragile. Is it something better
addressed by an EAPI extension?
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s://dev.gentoo.org/~ulm/pms/head/pms.html#x1-620006
>
> But there is no stable bash version from 3.2 to 4.1
> portage itself depends on >=app-shells/bash-4.2_p37
It's irrelevant what Portage depends upon, since this is about the
upgrade path. PMS specifies what the Council voted
specific as to how it's an issue from the spec
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to know what's actually been changed...
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ith blockers like PMS documentation changes and so :( )
We're not waiting for it to be approved. We're waiting for someone to
tell us what the changes are.
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ive arrays are not supported in bash 3.2, so they must not be
> used in EAPIs 0 to 5.
A dependency upon a newer bash doesn't guarantee that the package
mangler will use that bash.
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tter input validation. Perhaps we could patch our internal bash
to make it easier to catch certain other errors too.
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:46:41 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:26:29 +
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:48:06 +0100
> > Michał Górny wrote:
> > > Well, unless we're talking about a theoretical package mangler
> > &g
locks the tracker [1].
> >
> > [1]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=future-eapi
> >
>
> IUSE_RUNTIME support. Please.
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?idB4283
Without a reference implementation, and experience of how it works in
practice? No chance.
We hav
/bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=future-eapi
> >
> #444366 - unique subslot for live ebuilds
Has anyone tried implementing this and using it in practice?
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On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:01:08 +0100
Markos Chandras wrote:
> bikeshedding
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it
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hasufell wrote:
> On 04/03/2013 05:29 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:33:30 +0200 hasufell
> > wrote:
> >> You also have to rename the PATCHES array, because base.eclas
ubslot deps upon that
package, it gets pretty icky. So I would highly encourage always
revbumping at least when going to EAPI 5.
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:04:51 +0200
Michael Weber wrote:
> I'm not sure if it's a sane way to push make -j1 via
>
> src_compile() {
> cmake-multilib_src_compile -j1
> }
Well the Council doesn't approve of it for default phase functions...
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t didn't ever get really widespread.
Should ROOT usually be empty then?
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:58:07 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:22:42 +0100
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 23:23:57 +0200
> > Michał Górny wrote:
> > > As most of you probably doesn't know, PMS guarantees that ${D}
> > >
ortunately drobbins mandated it that way early
on, because he didn't use a proper text editor.
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won't negate the need to do ${ROOT%/}/some/path.
The spec guarantees that ROOT will be non-empty and end in a slash. If
Portage isn't enforcing this, file a bug.
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:33:29 -0400
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> but i'm super lazy, so even this manual step is annoying. as such,
> i've added USE=multislot support to autoconf (just like it is with
> binutils & gcc).
But it's massively illegal and doesn't work
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:58:20 -0400
Michael Mol wrote:
> On 4/17/2013 2:48 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:33:29 -0400
> > Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >> but i'm super lazy, so even this manual step is annoying. as such,
> >> i've ad
"follows the spec when enforcing use dependencies", or
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ent is irrelevant. We're discussing a change
in a later EAPI, where the change had nothing to say about ordering.
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that the actual bug in the
ebuild wouldn't be showing up if it were EAPI 0.
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ut
> > ordering.
>
> In the discussions that led to inclusion of the feature in EAPI 4, it
> was implicit that it would be possible to override the default. This
> can only work if "$@" goes after all default options.
But that wasn't got approved by the Cou
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:22:23 +0200
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >> In the discussions that led to inclusion of the feature in EAPI 4,
> >> it was implicit that it would be possible to override the default.
> &
et the
> bugs in the spec fixed. That said...
I highly doubt the person implementing the code for Paludis was doing
it in a contrarian way. As far as I can see, he simply implemented what
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an added bonus, we can do that selectively from EAPI 6
onwards, avoiding the need to introduce a breaking change to the spec.
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rol over, not
how they behave.
And it still needs Council approval...
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is was fixed already more than a year ago:
> http://git.exherbo.org/paludis/paludis.git/commit/?id=ad2ae2ba3b6fc8f113638a86de0e7d8a6a046091
We're discussing a matter of principle...
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:52:03 -0600
Ryan Hill wrote:
> Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey
> or a robot*.
>
> *or both (?!)
I believe they prefer the term "mathematician".
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the
> spec, despite the consequences, and demanding ebuilds to be "fixed"
> instead. I have other names for those people I could use but I doubt
Er, we are. Following the spec is not a mistake. If there's a mistake,
it was made by the Council when they approved the wording.
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On Fri, 03 May 2013 13:20:15 -0700
Zac Medico wrote:
> Note that PMS says USE_EXPAND variables are supposed to be treated as
> incremental.
PMS says nothing about user configuration.
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, but a rare time when I'd say we
> should make PMS match portage behavior.
Uhm, PMS governs how this works for profiles, not for user
configuration or any crazy stuff you do on the command line. Portage is
not required to use exactly the same code for both...
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t; package. When I presented a first git-format-patch I was ask to do a
> github pull request instead. So I asked why not git-am? The answer was
> - don't be a *beep*. As a result the package never got fixed and I
> outright ignore any repo not hosted on Gentoo infra.
Once I found a
't using Linux at all.
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
Sure it is. It's a hack and remains a hack until there's a way of using
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:57:53 -0400
Michael Mol wrote:
> On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
> > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
&
On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:37:25 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 21 May 2013 14:50:04 +0100 as
> excerpted:
> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
> > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> But the point
to worry about users doing
the old thing.
(That, and if eselect doesn't have it, there will be something far
worse showing up on the forums anyway...)
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On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500
William Hubbs wrote:
> We could probably also turn gcc-config into an eselect module if we
> want to use that argument.
Someone did, but unfortunately gcc-config is a big pile of poorly
understood voodoo, so eclectic gcc ended up being abandoned.
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On Thu, 30 May 2013 09:54:38 -0400
Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 30/05/13 02:46 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500 William Hubbs
> > wrote:
> >> We could probably also turn gcc-config into an e
was present in 1.7-r0.
>
> This RFC is to understend what we (you actually) want the packages
> manager to do in this situation, as I see it there are mainly two
> options.
This is already covered by PMS.
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