Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-17 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:42:57PM +0100, Alexander Hof wrote: > Mike Gilbert wrote: > >> There are people that don't want c++ and gcc:4.7 can still bootstrap > >> without. > >> > > > > Those people "know what they are doing" and could un-force the use > > flag. That would prevent people from acci

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-22 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:05:03AM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > That's at most an argument that USE="-*" should be a theoretically valid > configuration. It does not mean that the setting makes sense for anyone. > > USE="-*" was maybe a reasonable idea before we had use defaults. > > Now,

[gentoo-dev] assistance requested with festival and speech-tools

2006-09-17 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, I could use assistance with getting the current versions of festival and speech-tools into portage. The issue is that festival directly includes sources from speech-tools, and speech-tools is also a library in its own right which can be used by

[gentoo-dev] rfc: upstart on gentoo

2007-02-16 Thread William Hubbs
think about it. Thanks, - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF1mGtblQW9DDEZTgRAvWLAJ9OIkAA1KsEt3aHhaVs2x4kwO2nggCfQ4Mv D4ZZtxhpaV3N5G19iYJ8aOo= =TUtu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gento

[gentoo-dev] multilib-strict

2007-02-23 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, I'm not familiar with this test, and I jhave a bug against one of the packages I maintain that says it fails for e package. Where do I find information on how to fix the package? Thanks, - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team

Re: [gentoo-dev] New (old) Developer: Deedra Waters (dmwaters)

2007-06-04 Thread William Hubbs
D: 9A9F68E6 > Fingerprint: AEC4 87B8 32B8 4922 B3A9 DF79 CAE3 556F 9A9F 68E6 Hi Deedra, it is a pleasure to have you back in the accessibility project. Welcome back. :-) - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

[gentoo-dev] RFC: phasing out app-accessibility/festival

2007-06-04 Thread William Hubbs
, can someone please contact me and take over the package? - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZOWjblQW9DDEZTgRAiJLAKCv4aXqNBwgdSuRaSAm3cdstdab5gCdE/mD Sql4KTq0iOuzxwH2D8s+/iU= =Lu5N -END PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: phasing out app-accessibility/festival

2007-06-07 Thread William Hubbs
page and also gets installed in /usr/share/doc when you emerge the package. What are aoss and kismet? I haven't worked with those. Thanks, - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8

[gentoo-dev] iuse defaults example

2007-07-09 Thread William Hubbs
27;t like that because of the reverse logic -- If a flag is in use, it should enable support for something, not disable it. Is there another option that I'm missing, or is something like this a good case for iuse defaults? - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages of for grabs

2007-08-30 Thread William Hubbs
can > help with it, too. Consider it done. After I finish this email, I will put myself in metadata. I do need assistance with it however since I'm not much of a python coder. Thanks, - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

[gentoo-dev] RFC: brltty not starting early enough

2007-12-31 Thread William Hubbs
ime to ask about it. How should we set this up on gentoo? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeVYPblQW9DDEZTgRAqoSAJ9im3bK2aCniGcnyDEH7CKzNP

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: brltty not starting early enough

2008-01-01 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 12:27:24PM +, Roy Marples wrote: > Just make a standard init script for it with this dependency block > > depend() { >before checkfs > } Would it be safe to change this to before checkroot'? Th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: brltty not starting early enough

2008-01-01 Thread William Hubbs
yout-2 only. > > Thanks > > Roy > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeoCtblQW9DDEZTgRAossAKCsZKHsBIf7oOrECy3LHzKu8867awCgjYyp AEcpVtjsPJxgLcnKma5BQlw= =OHnU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-accessibility/yasr: ChangeLog yasr-0.6.9.ebuild

2008-02-03 Thread William Hubbs
he patch should be to fix this. > > src_install() { > > make DESTDIR="${D}" install || die I have changed this to emake. > If emake is not possible, add a comment. > > V-Li > > -- > Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project > http://www.gentoo.org/p

[gentoo-dev] another new global use flag "zsh-completion"

2009-08-21 Thread William Hubbs
would like to migrate 'zsh-completion' to a global use flag with the following description: 'enable zsh completion support' If there is not an objection to this I will do so one week from today (august 28), or sooner if that is ok. What do you think? - -- William Hubbs gento

[gentoo-dev] package.mask or package.mask.d

2009-08-22 Thread William Hubbs
t files in the package.mask directory and removed them from oldmasks, ultimately deleting oldmasks. - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqQWqYACgkQblQW9DDEZTiKxQCfejjxnM/8Em

Re: [gentoo-dev] About udev-145: new features / extras and kernel requirements

2009-08-30 Thread William Hubbs
bother at all with checking .config since we know the setup of the running kernel. What does everyone think? -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpdLEnuLNcR5.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

2009-10-10 Thread William Hubbs
, > ande there is no other config in sight. > > Also, neither on gentoo.org or on roy.maples.name seem to be anything > resembling documentation... I reemerged it and rebooted here fine. I have one network card with a static ip (I'm behind a router), and once I emerged openrc-0.5.1, ran through etc-update and made sure all of the new scripts were in place, I rebooted and my old network configuration was fine. -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpkC1jH9h85w.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

2009-10-13 Thread William Hubbs
aybe there should be a warning for now if you turn off the oldnet use flag that warns you that the new network scripts may not work in all situations. Then, when it comes time to migrate, you can drop the oldnet use flag entirely and explain in a news item how to migrate. -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgp0adkeSjbsl.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

2009-10-13 Thread William Hubbs
the new network scripts do not work, I don't see that as a show stopper. Yes, I would agree that there should be a warning about turning off the oldnet use flag, but I don't think this warrants masking the ebuild, unless I am missing something. If I am, definitely let me know. -- Willia

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

2009-10-13 Thread William Hubbs
Like I said above, maybe there should have been a warning to not try to switch to the new scripts yet unless you were willing to test them, but I don't see why it should have prevented ~arch users from getting the package. -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpQad0F48AUn.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

2009-10-13 Thread William Hubbs
yway. ~arch is where things go so that we can get them tested, after we test them ourselves, before they move to stable. And, as was said above, if you are running ~arch and things break, you are expected to know how to recover. When you file the bug, please give us all of the details a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is?

2009-10-21 Thread William Hubbs
em for this but it looks like it might be helpful here, that allows > >> users to pick and choose their updates. ??One could run it multiple times, > >> updating (what the user considers) the critical stuff on its own, and > >> updating everything else in a big bunch. > >> > >> That seems like the answer here; it already exists; and it's in the tree > >> (unless it has been removed recently, I don't know as IDR the name). > >> Take a look thru app-portage and see what you find. > >> > >> -- > >> Duncan - List replies preferred. ?? No HTML msgs. > >> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > >> and if you use the program, he is your master." ??Richard Stallman > >> > >> > >> > > > -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpDnIvpt92jl.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Amount of useflags enabled by default

2009-10-24 Thread William Hubbs
nable it, so they set it up that way. To me, the question really is at the profile level since enabling use flags there has the potential to affect entire systems. I don't think flags should be enabled at the profile level unless we are sure that most users who use that profile will want the flags enabled. -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpUJsk1ua8xf.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] gdata-build eclass proposal

2009-10-26 Thread William Hubbs
be tested for in eclasses, but eclasses should not set it. --- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgp7l3t128Hwk.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread William Hubbs
level, it lets the user decide whether or not they want it to be enabled for their entire system by editing make.conf. Imho the profiles should enable only use flags that are necessary for running that profile and allow users and package maintainers to control the rest. -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpbTKeJIGaJC.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 06:43:52PM +0100, Thomas Sachau wrote: > William Hubbs schrieb: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:07:08PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: > >> R??mi Cardona wrote: > >>> Le 26/10/2009 22:58, Richard Freeman a ??crit : > >>>> Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:37:38PM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > I just tested this, and make.conf overrides iuse defaults. ??To verify > > this for yourself, pick a package with an iuse default turning on a > > fl

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA: package.mask policies

2009-11-07 Thread William Hubbs
p.mask. In general, I don't think a new release of a package should be added to p.mask unless it fits category 1 above. Things that have been "masked for testing" for years need to have a decision made about them -- keep them in the tree and unmask them or remove them. -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpOXpVFPLLey.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA: package.mask policies

2009-11-07 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 07:33:12PM +0100, Christian Faulhammer wrote: > Hi, > > William Hubbs : > > > * Masking live... > > > Heck no. This is not proper usage. Just use keywords mask. > > > KEYWORDS="". Problem solved and the package.mask is smal

[gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

2009-12-02 Thread William Hubbs
I can put together a todo list. Thanks, -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpsBrwfvqHC9.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc stabilization todo

2009-12-03 Thread William Hubbs
ire to triage the bugs as I > intended to. The news item is in the archives of -dev. Some of my > todo items like a newer stable eselect are done. What other todo items do you have? -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpFs6CqxIs9U.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] openrc/baselayout2 stabilization update

2009-12-21 Thread William Hubbs
All, we are still working toward stabilizing openrc and baselayout-2. The current status is that all of the bugs which have anything to do with openrc/baselayout are assigned to the "baselayout" component in bugzilla. Also, there is a tracker bug at http://bugs.gentoo.org/295613. It would be ve

[gentoo-dev] openrc/baselayout2 stabilization progress

2010-01-20 Thread William Hubbs
All, I do not have any way here to test these, so it would be very helpful if someone could fix them. Any help would be appreciated. http://bugs.gentoo.org/251730 - this applies to several packages in sys-apps and sys-fs. http://bugs.gentoo.org/266875 - dialup team, can you look at this? Thank

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: "X" vs "gtk" USE flags

2010-02-08 Thread William Hubbs
Hi all, On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 02:34:08PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 02/08/2010 02:11 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Nikos Chantziaras: > >> A Gnome user probably has "X gtk -qt" in make.conf, while a KDE user > >> has "X qt -gtk" in hope to have programs that support b

[gentoo-dev] sudo vs su

2010-02-28 Thread William Hubbs
All, I am starting this thread because I don't understand why people are using sudo and su together. They are completely separate utilities that do the same thing. AFAIK, it should be either "sudo -i" or "su -", but not "sudo su -" which I have seen quite often. "sudo su -" is redundant because

Re: [gentoo-dev] sudo vs su

2010-02-28 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:52:01PM -0700, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Some systems are configured with a random root password. After a while > you get tired of doing 'sudo ' all the time and would like to > become root but you can't because you don't know the root password. > One way around that is 'su

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-08 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 04:19:36PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: > No, it won't. To prove it, I've just tested with a stable stage3 > containing portage-2.1.7.x. Here are the steps: > > 1) extract stable stage3 and chroot into it > 2) mkdir /etc/portage && echo "dev-lang/python ~*" >> > /etc/portage/pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:43:04PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 10 March 2010 18:36, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: > > Almost everybody has at least 1 package installed which supports both > > Python 2 > > and Python 3 and depends on dev-lang/python without version specification

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 02:24:46AM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 11 March 2010 01:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > ??If someone has a package that truly works with either python 2 or 3, > > ??what is the harm in automatically pulling in python 3 and installing > > ??the pack

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ebuild function to show package changelog

2010-03-12 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 04:16:05PM +0100, Angelo Arrifano wrote: > Hello all, > > [Speaking as user] I find myself many times stumbling through package > ChangeLogs to see what is new/changed after a emerge -u world. As some > of you might agree, this is time consuming. > > What do you people thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ebuild function to show package changelog

2010-03-12 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 04:51:02PM +0100, Angelo Arrifano wrote: > On Sex, 2010-03-12 at 09:33 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 04:16:05PM +0100, Angelo Arrifano wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > [Speaking as user] I find myself

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-12 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:11:50PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:18:03 +0200, Petteri R??ty > wrote: > > There seems to be two different schools on who to assign a keywording > > bug with only a single arch. I have myself assigned it to the arch in > > question but there's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler > wrote: > >> > But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in gentoo. > >> > >> Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:41:28PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: > On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar > > Arahesis wrote: > >> People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There > >> is no reason to waste

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 08:57:20PM +0100, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs: > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler > >> wrote: > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the > > default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have > > done ou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 05:27:46PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:28:29 +, Alec Warner > wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dale wrote: > > >> As a user, I still think this could turn into a real mess. ??I think > there > >> will be quite a few that will see

[gentoo-dev] reminding slacker arch's to handle bugs

2010-03-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:45:51PM +0100, Torsten Veller wrote: > * Petteri R?ty : > > So let's summarize for assigning to the single arch: > > > In support (and my comments in support): > > - Can be used as a gentle reminder for slacker arches > > And if not "only one arch" or "single arch" is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reworking package stabilization policies

2010-03-28 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 07:31:10PM +1300, Alistair Bush wrote: > > On Saturday 27 of March 2010 21:58:41 William Hubbs wrote: > > > > It's really freaking silly to wait months for stabilization of some random > > php/perl library that's known to work. > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-09 Thread William Hubbs
you provide an audio solution as well. Otherwise, you will affectively lock blind users out of the wiki, just as they are currentlylocked out of the forums. http://bugs.gentoo.org/284362 Thanks, -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org pgpe4lDMztMUr.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote: > >> > Does mediawiki have captcha

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 04:40:20PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: > On 10/04/2010 16:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs wrote: > >>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 02:04:08PM -0400, Vincent Launchbury wrote: > On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their > > audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few > > times and see h

[gentoo-dev] rfc: amateur radio applications should not be in media-radio

2010-07-14 Thread William Hubbs
All, I have recently noticed that our amateur radio applications are in the category media-radio. Amateur Radio is not considered part of the media, so I would like to propose renaming this category to app-hamradio, or possibly moving the amateur radio applications to app-hamradio if there are th

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: amateur radio applications should not be in media-radio

2010-07-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 08:48:25PM +0200, Thomas Beierlein wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:27:47 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > > > All, > > > > I have recently noticed that our amateur radio applications are in the > > category media-radio. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council Agenda 20100809 rev 01

2010-08-07 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 06:16:30AM -0700, Brian Harring wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 09:26:46PM +0200, Tom Chvvvtal wrote: > > Hi, > > since I am this meetings girl for everything here is first pass on our > > agenda. > > > > I am adding this mail only to g-dev and g-dev-announce to see if

[gentoo-dev] status of releng project

2010-08-07 Thread William Hubbs
All, I have noticed that this list and the gentoo-releng irc channel have been dead for a very long time, and I remember seeing a post a while back in which agaffney announced his retirement. Also there are multiple bugs open on livecd-tools, and there has been no attempt to fix them. I offered

[gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-19 Thread William Hubbs
All, looking at the tracker, I see that only two bugs remain which block stabilization of openrc: http://bugs.gentoo.org/213988 http://bugs.gentoo.org/302116 What does everyone think? Are there any other bugs we should fix before targeting a release for stabilization? I suppose one question

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-19 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 06:05:46AM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:57 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > > I suppose one question I need to ask is the oldnet vs newnet question. > > The git repository defaults to building and installing the newnet > > optio

[gentoo-dev] openrc: oldnet vs newnet

2010-09-20 Thread William Hubbs
All, I want to start a new thread since the discussion on openrc is centering on whether we should use oldnet, newnet, or keep both. The drawback I see for newnet is that it does not allow the user to control each interface separately, so if you want to cycle one interface for some reason, this i

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc: oldnet vs newnet

2010-09-20 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:52:23AM -0700, Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:16:08 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > > > All, > > > > I want to start a new thread since the discussion on openrc is centering > > on whether we should use oldnet, newne

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc: oldnet vs newnet

2010-09-20 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 08:18:32PM +0200, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > Does that support configurations where I set static addresses > (including ipv6) and routes (also including ipv6) based on the SSID as > is allowed by the oldnet scheme of things? I (and probably lots other > ???power users???) rely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc: oldnet vs newnet

2010-09-20 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 01:22:59AM +, Duncan wrote: > Keeping oldnet the default and only documented method, does seem to be the > most pragmatic/practical solution. > > Given nightmorph's indication that he's not interested in redoing the docs > twice, or documenting both methods, that does

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdemu: metadata.xml ChangeLog cdemu-1.3.0.ebuild

2010-10-24 Thread William Hubbs
Hi all, On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:45:01PM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: > On 21.10.2010 10:30, Peter Volkov wrote: > > Nothing there applies here, since this USE flag has nothing to do with > > archs/profiles... > > which will force some users to use double negative (-nocdemud, i.e. no > no cdemud) w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-analyzer/tcpreplay: ChangeLog tcpreplay-3.4.5_beta2.ebuild

2010-10-29 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 07:29:07PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:12:38 +0400 > Peter Volkov wrote: > > > Please, hard mask beta versions. > > I personally don't see a reason why he needed to do that. > If a particular package was a popular one and/or the beta version > ch

Re: [gentoo-dev] mercurial.eclass: change clone destination

2010-11-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 10:05:17PM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: > On 11/08/2010 06:17 AM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > On 16:42 Sun 07 Nov , Petteri R??ty wrote: > >> On 11/06/2010 11:22 AM, Krzysztof Pawlik wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I'm sending this patch for discussion, what it changes? Th

[gentoo-dev] use flags in both use.defaults and make.defaults

2005-08-28 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, since there has been a lot of discussion lately about default use flags, I looked at the profiles and found the following: All of these use flags are in base/use.defaults. As I understand it, if the package listed with the flag in this file is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 09:22:24PM +, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 01:30:15PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:05:44 + > > Markos Chandras wrote: > > > > > > Isn't that the point? People should be discouraged in every way not to > > > > use > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:10:32PM +, Duncan wrote: > As a user who regularly uses certain live ebuilds (and contrasting SP), > strongly agreed. If the double-masking is confusing them, they're better > off sticking with standard versioned ebuilds as they're demonstrably not > up to dealing

[gentoo-dev] changing packages you do not maintain

2010-12-07 Thread William Hubbs
All, gentoo policy states that if you want to make a change to a package, but you find that it is maintained by someone else, you are supposed to contact them and give them a reasonable chance to reply before you change the packages they maintain unless you have a different arrangement with them o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Move x86/amd64 CPU extensions USE flags to a new USE_EXPAND variable

2010-12-13 Thread William Hubbs
Hi all, On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 07:07:10PM +0100, Francesco R wrote: > 2010/12/13 Konstantin Tokarev > > > > > > > 13.12.2010, 18:53, "Francesco R" : > > > 2010/12/13 Ryan Hill > > >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:01:13 -0400 > > >> "Sergio D. Rodr?guez Inclan" wrote: > > >> > > >>> El 12/12/2010 0

[gentoo-dev] app-accessibility/speakup dependencies and kernels >= 2.6.37

2011-01-05 Thread William Hubbs
All, as of linux-2.6.37, app-accessibility/speakup is part of the kernel so most users will not need the separate package. I have a couple of packages in the accessibility category that depend on app-accessibility/speakup currently. Is the correct fix to change them to depend on something like:

Re: [gentoo-dev] On hosting self-produced distfiles

2011-01-22 Thread William Hubbs
Hi Diego, I need a clarification on something. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 01:50:35AM +0100, Diego Elio Petten? wrote: > If you produced the file yourself, and it doesn't matter if the file is > reproducible (unless it is reproducible to sha512 identity), please use > the public_html directory in you

[gentoo-dev] rfc: libexec directory inconsistency

2011-01-22 Thread William Hubbs
All, I noticed that for dhcpcd and openrc we force their LIBEXECDIR to be $(get_libdir)/foo, which puts things in different directories depending on whether the system is multilib or not. I enquired from Robin why we do this, and I was told that libexec is supposed to contain things which are not

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Stabilisation exceptions

2011-01-27 Thread William Hubbs
Hi, The accessibility team has permission to mark some app-accessibility packages stable because they require specialized hardware: app-accessibility/brltty app-accessibility/speakup (this one will become moot when linux 2.6.37 goes stable) Just to clarify, we are talking only about the x86 arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unused eclasses

2011-02-06 Thread William Hubbs
Hi, On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 03:03:50PM +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 02/01/11 19:57, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > > Hello ladies, > > Following cleanup of eclasses in main tree there still are few eclasses > > that are not used at all. > > I guess that applies to the main tree. > If we do care i

[gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

2011-04-12 Thread William Hubbs
All, at long last, we have an openrc stable candidate. This means we need more testers. We need some people who are still using baselayout-1 to migrate to baselayout-2 and openrc to make sure that still is successful. Also, we need developers to upgrade to openrc-0.8.1 and let us know if there a

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

2011-04-13 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 07:00:44AM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > We should certainly get a news item together, since this is a huge deal > for Gentoo. Although no doubt non-Gentoo people will start laughing at > yet another "new" init system. =) Openrc is not just a gentoo init system; I know

[gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item

2011-04-13 Thread William Hubbs
Faulhammer Author: William Hubbs Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2011-05-01 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-Installed: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml. It is important that you follow the guide as soon as possible after these packages are upgraded. Otherwise

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item

2011-04-13 Thread William Hubbs
All, here is the latest update with typos fixed. William Title: Baselayout update Author: Christian Faulhammer Author: William Hubbs Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2011-05-01 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-Installed: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml. It is

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item

2011-04-13 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 08:41:16PM +0200, "Pawe?? Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 4/13/11 8:15 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > The baselayout package provides files which all systems must have in > > order to function properly. You are currently using version 1.x, which > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

2011-04-13 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > also, we're still sitting on top of classical sysvinit, so i'm not sure > openrc > technically qualifies as an "init" system. certainly not a "full" one. That's true. Openrc is not really a full init system. It is a set of init s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item

2011-04-14 Thread William Hubbs
Hi Matt, On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:41:23AM -0500, Matthew Summers wrote: > 1. We should determine and then announce the precise date (appears to > be in May) and time that baselayout-2 will be stabilized via: > 1.1 A front page News item on www.g.o (PR team assemble!), > 1.2 The main MLs (ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

2011-04-16 Thread William Hubbs
ll, there was a regression in 0.8.1, so 0.8.2 is now the stable candidate. I propose thatsince the differences between 0.8.1 and 0.8.2 are very small, we should keep the news item date and stabilization date from my original announcement. - news item release on 5/1 - stabilization on 5/8. Willi

[gentoo-dev] rfc: openrc use flag

2011-04-20 Thread William Hubbs
All, This bug [1] brings up an issue that I would like thoughts about. sys-fs/udev and net-wireless/bluez, among other packages, install udev rules which assume that you are using openrc. On systems where openrc is not used in the boot process, this causes issues because openrc services are run

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: openrc use flag

2011-04-20 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:02:41PM +0400, Peter Volkov wrote: > В Срд, 20/04/2011 в 12:24 -0500, William Hubbs пишет: > > The author of the bug feels that the way to fix this is for us to put a > > check in openrc that makes it refuse to run services if it was not used > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: openrc use flag

2011-04-20 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 04:31:46AM +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:02:41 +0400 > Peter Volkov wrote: > > > В Срд, 20/04/2011 в 12:24 -0500, William Hubbs пишет: > > > The author of the bug feels that the way to fix this is for us to > > > pu

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: openrc use flag

2011-04-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:34:59PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 04:31:46AM +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > How should the udev rules be changed to match /any/ init system? > > For an example of the problem, take a look on your system at > /l

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: openrc use flag

2011-04-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 08:20:32PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El mié, 20-04-2011 a las 22:02 +0400, Peter Volkov escribió: > > В Срд, 20/04/2011 в 12:24 -0500, William Hubbs пишет: > > > The author of the bug feels that the way to fix this is for us to put a > > > ch

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: openrc use flag

2011-04-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:03:42PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El jue, 21-04-2011 a las 14:30 -0500, William Hubbs escribió: > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 08:20:32PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > El mié, 20-04-2011 a las 22:02 +0400, Peter Volkov escribió: > > > > В

Re: [gentoo-dev] RDEPENDing on packages from overlays?

2011-04-23 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 09:05:48AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364445 > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364401 > > Basically, there are requests to add packages to RDEPEND in virtual/mda > and virtual/mta that are not in the official tree but in sunri

Re: [gentoo-dev] RDEPENDing on packages from overlays?

2011-04-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:42:25AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:39:55AM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > I can live with that, as long as the responsibility that packages work > > with dependencies from overlays stays entirely with the overlay's > > maintainer. > > Good po

Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing systemd units with gx86 packages

2011-04-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:36:30AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > Fellow devs, > > I've started working on bringing systemd to Gentoo [1] lately, > and I think it is important to raise the aspect of systemd unit > inclusion in various packages in gx86 ASAP. > > The number of packages coming with sy

[gentoo-dev] rfc: logrotate and xinetd use flags

2011-04-24 Thread William Hubbs
All, I know a decision about this type of use flag was made in the past, but especially now with the --newuse option in portage, that decision bothers me, so I would like to re-open the discussion. I will use logrotate as my example, but what I'm saying also applies for xinetd. I feel that the c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing systemd units with gx86 packages

2011-04-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 04:55:14PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:35 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:36:30AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > >> Fellow devs, > >> > >> I've started working on bringing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing systemd units with gx86 packages

2011-04-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:36:30AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > The number of packages coming with systemd units is growing rapidly > recently, and that especially applies to freedesktop packages. > One side effect of that is that these packages treat systemd > as an automagic dependency, installin

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item

2011-04-29 Thread William Hubbs
e news item now, and there's not really anything more to it, so I'm not sure where else it should be mentioned. What does everyone think? William Title: Baselayout update Author: Christian Faulhammer Author: William Hubbs Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2011-05-01 Revision: 1 News-It

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

2011-04-29 Thread William Hubbs
All, The openrc stable candidate is now openrc-0.8.2-r1. The changes between it and the previous stable candidates are small, so the news item date and stable request date are still 2011/05/01 and 2011/05/08 respectively. The more important part of this test is that we need some users to migrat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-p2p/transmission: transmission-2.12.ebuild

2011-04-29 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 02:40:49PM -0400, Matt Turner wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 04/29/2011 09:26 PM, Mark Loeser wrote: > >> "Samuli Suominen (ssuominen)" said: > >>> ssuominen    11/04/29 18:13:31 > >>> > >>>   Removed:              transmission-2.12

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