Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Sunday 24 April 2005 23:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>They're >>supposed to do that for the first month or so (depending upon how long >>it is before it becomes obvious that you're safe). > > I was talking about

Re: [gentoo-dev] How well supported is collision-protect?

2005-04-27 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marius Mauch wrote: > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:37:10 -0400 > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>On Wednesday 27 April 2005 08:29 pm, Georgi Georgiev wrote: >> >>>- How well is it expected to work? >> >>it's expected to work just fine > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The only dish I have is what if a new profile doesn't support what they are attempting to do? If something is profile masked ( gcc fex ) there is no way currently for a user to unmask it, even in /etc/portage. In the end they just might symlink make.

Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager

2005-05-02 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Jackson wrote: > Michael Haubenwallner wrote: > > >>Hi ebuild devs, >> >>Here's a glep draft now for (a part of) the long-term portage-goal >>"act as a secondary package manager" ... >> >>Comments welcome, >> haubi >> >> > > It's fancy, but w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 02 May 2005 08:45 pm, Alec Warner wrote: > >>The only dish I have is what if a new profile doesn't support what they >>are attempting to do? If something is profile masked ( gcc fex ) there &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-10 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: > Martin Schlemmer posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > excerpted below, on Tue, 10 May 2005 11:02:07 +0200: > > >>Problem with flat tree, is the search times might then suck even more, as >>last I heard, too many dirs/files in one directory

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Harring wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:01:17PM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > >>maillog: 11/05/2005-03:40:04(-0500): Brian Harring types >> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 09:46:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Here's my suggestion, for w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-12 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stroller wrote: > > On May 12, 2005, at 10:11 am, Patrick Lauer wrote: > >> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 23:58 +0100, Stroller wrote: >> >>> On May 11, 2005, at 8:10 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> * Unique ID strings for packages, zynot style. Mes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Another call for BugVoting on bugs.gentoo.org

2005-05-16 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 16 May 2005 08:01 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:45:05 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>wrote: >>| On Monday 16 May 2005 07:08 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>| > What, so that you can

Re: [gentoo-dev] root:root and fbsd

2005-05-22 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: | Hi, | ok another problem for Gentoo/FreeBSD project :P | Currently there are a few places where, to fix permissions of files, the | ebuilds does a chown -R root:root ${D} or something similar. | Unfortunately such a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bashrc mini HOWTO

2005-05-25 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonas Geiregat wrote: > I gave this a quick look, and aren't you talking about bash scripts in > general rather then .bashrc files using /etc/portage/bashrc as reference > for this document. > Also I can't see the real use , that's why I started readi

[gentoo-dev] Bugzilla Bug 79337 make repoman complain if DEPEND and RDEPEND are not set.

2005-05-28 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As suggested by SpanKY in the bug report itself but never done until now I'll gladly start up the discussion. The bug report[1] is a request from the embedded team to change how DEPEND and REDEPEND are assigned in an ebuild. At present the documentat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage, Jobs, and Niceness

2005-05-31 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Georgi Georgiev wrote: > maillog: 31/05/2005-17:48:21(+0900): Chris White types > >>Hi all, > > ... > > Shouldn't this go to gentoo-user? > Maybe Ciaranm's guide; I doubt all devs are shell wizards ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

2005-06-06 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dylan Carlson wrote: > On Monday 06 June 2005 16:55, Aron Griffis wrote: > >>I think that attempting to take Gentoo in the "enterprise" direction >>is a mistake. I think that we are a hobbyist distribution. This >>doesn't mean that we should not str

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removal of articles.xml from website

2005-06-09 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sven Vermeulen wrote: Many Gentoo developers have written articles about Linux and Gentoo on third-party sites. The articles page [1] was originally meant to provide links to those articles. However, it frequently occurs that

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force support

2005-06-13 Thread Alec Warner
Sven Wegener wrote: use.force might not be the best name, but it's what we do with it for most of our users. Being able to -flag in /etc/portage/profile/use.force is just because /etc/portage/profile gets added to the cascaded profile chain. Everything we add to portage that allows a profile to

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force support

2005-06-14 Thread Alec Warner
Sven Wegener wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:08:09PM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: Sven Wegener wrote: use.force might not be the best name, but it's what we do with it for most of our users. Being able to -flag in /etc/portage/profile/use.force is just because /etc/portage/profile gets

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force support

2005-06-15 Thread Alec Warner
Sven Wegener wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:16:18PM +0200, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:40:48 +0200 Sven Wegener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We just had a short discussion over in #gentoo-portage and the idea of an use.force file for profiles came up. It

Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo? Where went Fido?

2005-06-16 Thread Alec Warner
of great ideas up their sleeves to make portage better, multiple repos being just one of the many. I'll let them preach their stuff for now, lest I let slip ideas that never see the light of day ;) Regardless changes are coming and they definately make me very excited. -Alec Warner Ajec -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-06-16 Thread Alec Warner
pretty good solutions on how to fix them in a general way. I think part of the problem is that this doesn't happen often enough and we end up with a bunch of hacks that need to be integrated together. - -Alec Warner Ajec Dan Meltzer wrote: >Well it would be nice to have it all abstracted, w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Enterprise deployment tools

2005-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi folks, I would like to get your opinion on Enterprise-oriented desktop deployment tools for Gentoo Linux (or the lack of). As a small company CIO, I deployed Gentoo on a small scale here but quickly ran into scaling problems and the lack of tools to help. There is no o

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE_EXPAND and IUSE

2005-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Stubbs wrote: Any reason why INPUT_DEVICES is needed in USE_EXPAND rather than just as local USE flags? It's kind of the odd one out among the above. The reasoning for that is that hardware support doesn't make sens

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-04 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't really see removing software from the tree because it's made by a company that uses software patents as a choice that improves the user experience with Gentoo. It doesn't make Gentoo more useful for anyone. Just as software thats not open sou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-04 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 not being privvy to -core ( where I hear this was started and subsequently moved to -dev ) I can only assume you didn't find what you wanted on -core and are trolling for a decent response here. I am certain there are people who agree with you on a id

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: > Hi, > > > 1. The Gentoo package's maintainer will identify one *named* contact >UPSTREAM for security-related matters, and one named general contact >UPSTREAM (as a fallback for when the security contact is >unrea

Re: [gentoo-dev] EBUILD_FORMAT support

2005-07-07 Thread Alec Warner
twofourtysix wrote: On 07/07/05, Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would be in favor of EAPI= or an even shorter variable name. strlen(EBUILD_FORMAT) * 19546 = 249K strlen(EAPI) * 19546 = 77K strlen(EV) * 19546 = 39K Where 19546 is the number if ebuilds in the tree as. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposal: pre-emerge advisories

2005-07-22 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R Hill wrote: > Craig Lawson wrote: > >> Comments? > > > This subject has also been brought up on the forum[1] very recently. > There have been some interesting ideas and alternatives posed that seem > workable. I was hoping some of the developers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposal: pre-emerge advisories

2005-07-23 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Georgi Georgiev wrote: > maillog: 23/07/2005-15:04:06(+0900): Jason Stubbs types > >>On Saturday 23 July 2005 14:34, Alec Warner wrote: >> >>>In order to receive this helpful data we basically need 4 or 5 things. >>&g

[gentoo-dev] Changelogs

2005-07-26 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Recent discussion on this ML and on the portage-ml as well as #gentoo-portage regarding pkg_warn() and the basic concept behind it. We talked about adding new functionality, about adding a warning section to the ebuild or to the metadata. However. a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changelogs

2005-07-27 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Stubbs wrote: > On Wednesday 27 July 2005 11:05, Alec Warner wrote: > >>Recent discussion on this ML and on the portage-ml as well as >>#gentoo-portage regarding pkg_warn() and the basic concept behind it. >>We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:54:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | | Well... What I was mainly thinking (and assuming we don't have the > | | new virtuals system by whenever this beco

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:23:37 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | > Hrm. Is this going to be sanely doable by your average dev? How > | > long a dep string would we be having in typ

[gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-01 Thread Alec Warner
amp;w=2&r=4&s=debug&q=b [4] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-dev&w=2&r=2&s=debug&q=b [5] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-dev&w=2&r=1&s=debug&q=b [6] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44796 [7] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cg

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 01 August 2005 09:22 pm, Alec Warner wrote: Many people do not like the fact that a USE flag changes CFLAGS. Although there are other USE flags that do this too ( pic comes to mind in a couple ebuilds, checkpassword fex ) they are a minority compared to debug

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Martin wrote: | Hi list, | | Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five | packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it | later today. I think this flag is a bad idea. Why sho

[gentoo-dev] digest + manifest = new file format

2005-08-04 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is basically a resubmission of Genone's file format merger [1]. The code to handle digests and manifests is currently being designed and rewritten. As such we need two things from the developer community. One is a decision of what the new format

Re: [gentoo-dev] digest + manifest = new file format

2005-08-04 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Whoopse, should have gone to gentoo-portage-dev, my bad ;) Alec Warner wrote: > This is basically a resubmission of Genone's file format merger [1]. > > The code to handle digests and manifests is currently being designed and > re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Put DESCRIPTION HOMEPAGE and LICENSE in another place

2005-08-10 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Parpart wrote: > On Thursday 11 August 2005 02:04, Carlos Silva wrote: > [...] > >>What do you think of this? > > > I once asked for a better place (namely metadata.xml), but got corrected with > the following reason: > > HOMEPAGE/LICENS

Re: [gentoo-dev] flat profiles punted (and a note about x86/OpenBSD)

2005-08-14 Thread Alec Warner
oper cascading profiles > > for those of you looking to upgrade older portage versions, > profiles/obsolete// exists for you > -mike If you haven't done so already, might want to fire off a mail to -user as well. - -Alec Warner -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4

Re: [gentoo-dev] generating ChangeLog files automatically from `cvs commit`

2005-08-16 Thread Alec Warner
gt; commit statements worth something. Also forcing a Changelog syntax makes portage's -l feature useful, since it attempts to parse the Changelog to provide sane entries...but some Changelogs don't seem to be in the correct syntax that the -l functionality requires. With a change

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE defaults

2005-08-18 Thread Alec Warner
e maintainers that don't deviate from the default much. In any case both situations scream "hi I need tools cause I'm horribly complex and difficult to maintain properly". -Alec Warner -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-29 Thread Alec Warner
sewhere if that is the case. I just know that for the majority of profiles default-linux/arch is what most of them inherit from, so thats where the party started ;) -Alec Warner (antarus) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Alec Warner
I'm not trying to bash either team here, just pointing out the facts. Alec Warner (antarus) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] metadata revised - removal of packages

2005-09-09 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 09 September 2005 05:58 am, Torsten Veller wrote: > >>2) >>What is the next step after the last maintainer is removed from >>metadata.xml? Well i announced these packages on -dev. Now i can wait some >>time (how long?

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE="minimal" for kernel sources

2005-09-09 Thread Alec Warner
Petteri Räty wrote: warnera6 wrote: IMHO it is, but not as a USE flag (it will never be stable enough without upstream support) but I think many would find the functionality useful in a script. I know I would. If it works most of the time and saves space, there is no reason not trim things

Re: [gentoo-dev] cjk-latex-4.6 ??

2005-09-09 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yuan MEI wrote: > I noticed that cjk-latex-4.6(http://cjk.ffii.org/) has been out for a > long, but no ebuild is in the portage. So, who'd like to handle this? Usually you will want to check bugs.gentoo.org before querying on this list. -> http://bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:14:27 -0400 Peter Hyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Thank you for the opportunity. Apparently though, my submissions have > | already been rejected Ciaran. > > As you know fine well, nothing was rej

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Chris White wrote: > >> Alright, so here's what I think on the whole thing now that I made a >> nice tidy [Summary] thread. >> >> There seems to be some concern about AT testers having more privileges >> than some other devs

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen P. Becker wrote: >> You're somehow implying that being an AT is not as good as being a dev. > > > Wrong. > >> My understanding is that this GLEP is supposed to make AT as good as >> being a dev, but with a different role, one that doesn't ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:41:37 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | And how is an "Arch Dev" different from say a member of devrel? > > Assuming by "arch dev" you

Re: [gentoo-dev] first council meeting

2005-09-17 Thread Alec Warner
esting packages in the overlay. Then instruct users to add the overlay to their portage settings. Testing overlay for testing, p.mask for broken packages. /usr/portage/overlay/cat/pkg/bla.ebuild or /usr/portage/testing/cat/pkg/bla.ebuild and so on... - -Alec Warner -BEGIN

Re: [gentoo-dev] first council meeting

2005-09-18 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wernfried Haas wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 01:32:32PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>Uhm. That's current policy and has been current policy for several >>years. No GLEP needed. > > > If that's currenty policy, why does the handbook say somet

[gentoo-dev] cvs keywording.

2005-09-19 Thread Alec Warner
Official policy states that CVS ebuilds should never be marked stable[1]. Yet many ebuilds that are based on cvs sources and are marked stable on arch's. I would like to know why this is so. ./net-misc/netcomics-cvs/netcomics-cvs-0.14.1.ebuild:KEYWORDS="x86 ~amd64" ./games-fps/blackshades-cvs

Re: [gentoo-dev] cvs keywording.

2005-09-20 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 20:38 +0300, Alin Dobre wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Alec Warner wrote: >> >>>Official policy states that CVS ebuilds s

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE="minimal" for kernel sources

2005-09-21 Thread Alec Warner
to be able to touch it. It's well known that pmasked stuff isn't supported. One can't add a use flag to an ebuild and then turn around and say oh that use flag isn't supported. If it's not supported it shouldn't be there. Also might want to submit the ebuild t

Re: [gentoo-dev] default logger

2005-09-27 Thread Alec Warner
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 27 September 2005 02:59 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Ok, for those who don't remember... | | In the good old days, syslog-ng was the default. Then, for one of the | releases, the x86 team accidentally included metalog instead of | syslo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Improved ebuild information

2005-10-01 Thread Alec Warner
e get along that way on gentoo, stuff breaks, they reinstall, end of story. If you are upgrading package foo and you don't know if it's important or not, or if it will break your system you may want to go and check it out. What does foo do, what depends on foo ( equery and gentoolkit )?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: grub reiser4

2005-10-02 Thread Alec Warner
s your system doesn't boot. I'm not trying to bash reiser here, I still use ext2 on /boot even if xfs is my main fs of choice for this reason. Alec Warner (antarus) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Classes, a possible new method of spreading information

2005-10-07 Thread Alec Warner
; Ideas? thoughts? comments? >> >> Lets hear em :) > > > I think quick-basics tutorials like this would be a great addition to > GWN, but if the IRC Q&A format works then I say go for it. > The problem with tutorials is you get a limited view of the one or two peopl

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Alec Warner
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:35, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Too many people using -* (due to auto flags) so that will break for most of them. So we have the three things we should deprecate in a single thread: a) no* flags b) auto flags c) -* and - for all arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] ${PORTDIR}/profiles/package.use

2005-10-20 Thread Alec Warner
or noFOO flags because if a user doesn't have a portage that handles package.use buildplans will fail. The tree would need to maintain the AUTOUSE and noFOO flags for old versions of portage. -Alec Warner (Antarus) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] ${PORTDIR}/profiles/package.use

2005-10-20 Thread Alec Warner
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:03 pm, Alec Warner wrote: > >>Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >>>On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:47 pm, Petteri Räty wrote: >>> >>>>Every once in a while I see people wanting to use nosomething use fl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-10-31 Thread Alec Warner
ur installed system is so it can filter relevant news for you? Or do you want to read news on all 10,000 packages? I certainly don't want to swim through all the crappy news just to find the items relevant for the box that I'm on. -Alec Warner (Antarus) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-01 Thread Alec Warner
format and break the tagging, causing -l to display nothing. If you want to make a seperate program to read the news, go for it. I don't see why we have to stick silly things in a core utility. emerge is a package manager, it does not do your laundry too. -Alec Warner (Antarus) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Prozilla

2005-11-02 Thread Alec Warner
www-client/prozilla has been masked since february with quite a few security vulnerabilities. It's even had a lovely bug with tons of comments and code additions and audits[1]. Can we ditch it please? kyoto skyfw # emerge -pv prozilla These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calcul

Re: [gentoo-dev] ERROR: gnome-base/bonobo-1.0.22 failed.

2005-11-02 Thread Alec Warner
Dale wrote: Dave Shanker wrote: Try emerging x11-libs/gtk+ again and then building bonobo again. I did that first thing. I was hoping it would fix it too. It compiled fine but puked on bonobo afterwards. I even did the etc-update and env-update thing. Would a source /etc/profil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disabling auto-bumping of active Python version

2010-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 29-11-2010 10:34, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> On 11/29/10 09:35, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >>> There will probably be no active version of Python set. >> >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: check for enewuser, enewgroup outside of pkg_setup

2011-01-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:25:03 +0100 > "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > >> "If enewuser or enewgroup is called from outside of pkg_setup, fail" > > It is useful sometimes to call it in pkg_postinst(), if the user/group > is needed at runtime and no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming changes to hosting of Git repos on git.gentoo.org (NOT overlays.git.gentoo.org)

2011-01-25 Thread Alec Warner
like on the discovery channel? -A 2011/1/25 Tomáš Chvátal : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dne 25.1.2011 23:08, Robin H. Johnson napsal(a): >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:02:16AM +0200, Theo Chatzimichos wrote: >>> And now, imagine the state of the user/ dev/ list mess in, s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Glep 48 update (as nominated for next meeting)

2011-01-29 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 28-01-2011 22:11:30 +0100, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: >> So draft we would like to have implemented as Glep update is this diff: >> http://dev.gentoo.org/~scarabeus/glep-0048.diff >> >> Please comment and help us improve the "english" of the wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Glep 48 update (as nominated for next meeting)

2011-01-31 Thread Alec Warner
I'm going to basically reply with my normal QA rant. 1) QA is important to the overall health of Gentoo. People will not use broken shit. 2) QA should be straightforward. If a developer need to do X to assure quality it should be fairly obvious why X is required. It should be clear where to go

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: app-pda/libopensync and reverse dependencies

2011-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:49:53 +0100 > Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > >> Il giorno gio, 10/02/2011 alle 14.08 -0600, Ryan Hill ha scritto: >> > Hey, here's an idea.  Before you go making big masks like this for >> > packages >> > several people depen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Quantity of open bugs

2011-03-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > Hi all, > > I was nosing through bugzilla, and noticed: > > * Number of open bugs is greater than 14,000 > * Number of open bugs untouched for more than 2 years - well over 2000. > * Number of open bugs untouched between 1 and 2 years - wel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rejecting unsigned commits

2011-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Dane Smith wrote: >> On 03/25/2011 02:46 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Of course now we can add additional requirements: * The key mus

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/PyZilla: PyZilla-0.1.0.ebuild ChangeLog metadata.xml

2011-03-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: >> On 03/27/2011 02:47 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> If you prohibit people from doing that, they'll just commit it >>> normally, and then remove themselves a week later. >> >> Why do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/PyZilla: PyZilla-0.1.0.ebuild ChangeLog metadata.xml

2011-03-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Alec Warner wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan >> wrote: >>> Just start removing old[1] maintainer-needed packages. If people >>> complain,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Dale wrote: > Eray Aslan wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:41:25PM -0500, Dale wrote: >> >>> >>> +1  Some descriptions may as well not have one at all.  May as well >>> Google the flag and the package and see what, if anything, it returns. >>> >> >> I would s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: python-namespaces.eclass

2011-04-04 Thread Alec Warner
2011/4/4 Tomáš Chvátal : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dne 4.4.2011 01:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis napsal(a): >> 2011-04-03 21:28:02 Tomáš Chvátal napisał(a): >>> Dne 3.4.2011 19:38, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis napsal(a): I would like to add python-n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/PyZilla: PyZilla-0.1.0.ebuild ChangeLog metadata.xml

2011-04-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:28:05 +0200 > René 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: > >> Am 27.03.2011 22:44, schrieb Rich Freeman: >> Well, but you need some way of communicate that certain packages are >> w/o a proper maintainer. Why else should someone ste

[gentoo-dev] Trustee Election Results

2011-04-09 Thread Alec Warner
Hello fellow community members, The election for Gentoo Foundation Trustees has concluded. We had 229 eligible voters with 76 voting for a turnout of ~33%. Final ranked list: robbat2 quantumsummers rich0 blueness The election officials should have sent you your election confirmation number whic

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: logrotate and xinetd use flags

2011-04-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 2:58 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I know a decision about this type of use flag was made in the past, but > especially now with the --newuse option in portage, that decision > bothers me, so I would like to re-open the discussion. > > I will use logrotate as my examp

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: 24 hour review for >= dev-libs/glib-2.28 stable news item

2011-04-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Alex Alexander wrote: > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 09:56:06PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> You have 24 hours to comment on this news item.  Sorry to put it so >> bluntly but this is required for major security bug (#364973). >> >> See attachment. > > Should be wr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Git migration?

2011-05-03 Thread Alec Warner
ask on the gentoo-scm list? -A On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I and maybe also some other people would be interested in the status of the > infamous "git migration" of the main portage tree... I am just curious, since > I have not heard much lat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automatic testing on Gentoo

2011-05-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Jack Morgan wrote: > > > On 05/10/2011 01:13 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> Hi. >> >> Another issue that was raised in the discussion with the arch teams, >> even though it predates the arch teams resources thread as we've talked >> about it on FOSDEM 201

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-arch/bzip2: bzip2-1.0.5-r1.ebuild

2011-05-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 08:19:45PM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera > (klondike) wrote: >> El 16/05/11 19:54, Kacper Kowalik escribió: >> > Neither of those points include sending mail to gentoo-dev, which tend >> > to quickly conver

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Do we still want group based permissions for storage and power devices in light of ConsoleKit and Policykit?

2011-05-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > Let's start with generalized example so everyone gets the idea... > > Reference: man 8 pklocalauthority > > /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/example-udisks.pkla > > [Local users] > Identity=unix-group:plugdev > Action=org.freedeskto

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removal of kdeprefix news item

2011-05-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Wed, 18 May 2011, Jonathan Callen wrote: > >> Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs[kdeprefix] > > I don't think that USE dependencies (or any other EAPI specific > features) are allowed here. You should file a bug about that; I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removal of kdeprefix news item

2011-05-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Jonathan Callen wrote: > Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>> On Wed, 18 May 2011, Jonathan Callen wrote: >> >>> Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs[kdeprefix] >> >> I don't think that USE dependencies (or any other EAPI specific >> features) are allowed here. > > Th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-arch/bzip2: bzip2-1.0.5-r1.ebuild

2011-06-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:35:11 -0400 > Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > And yes, it should be automated. I agree. Doesn't change the current >> > situation. >> >> of course it does.  it makes the current situation irrelevant. > > Does this mean we s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Remember to update eclass/ and profiles/ in your tree before committing anything!

2011-07-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:46 AM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 6/16/11 7:22 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: >> Just a friendly reminder that you should update profiles/ and eclass/ >> before committing anything to the tree, so that you don't end up >> committing packages with either broken depend

Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 07:27:23 +0200 > "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" wrote: > >> El 03/08/11 06:57, Robin H. Johnson escribió: >> > On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 04:13:19AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo >> > Riera (klondike) wrote: >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: splitting virtual/

2011-08-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > Now that we don't have any old-style virtuals in gx86 anymore, > I think the 'virtual' category is basically one another plain category > nowadays. > > Considering the number of different virtuals in this category, maybe it > would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: leechcraft.eclass

2011-08-18 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 18-08-2011 16:57:59 +0200, Michał Górny wrote: >> > # @ECLASS-VARIABLE: LC_PCAT >> > # @DESCRIPTION: >> > # Set this to the category of the plugin, if any. >> > : ${LC_PCAT:=} >> >> Please use verbose variable names, and prefix them with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle wrote: >> Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks >> users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. > > Well, that's up to the Council/Trustees ult

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: >> It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. >> >> I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided >> that the reminder can be turned off

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: euscan proof of concept (like debian's uscan)

2011-08-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Corentin Chary wrote: > Hi, > > some news about euscan (still available at http://euscan.iksaif.net) > > - New design (yay !) > - Atom feeds available for each herd/category/maintainer/package > (http://euscan.iksaif.net/maintainers/59/feed/) > - Specific handlers

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] check-reqs.eclass.patch

2011-08-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 32 Aug 2011 10:57:08 +0200 > Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > >> Good pointer is that we should probably check if the >> MERGE_TYPE=binary and not check-reqs ram and disk_build in that case. >> But there is slight problem how to do it in older

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: >> Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > 1) USE-flag based support to cross-compile packages (mostly implemented in > multilib-portage) > 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. python, ruby > o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing no-herd?

2011-09-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 10/09/2011 11:15 πμ, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Markos Chandras >> wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 >>> >>> On 10/09/2011 11:01

Re: [gentoo-dev] new `usex` helper

2011-09-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > i keep writing little helpers like this in ebuilds: > usex() { use $1 && echo ${2:-yes} || echo ${3:-no} ; } usex...you naughty boy. > > this is so i can do: >        export some_var=$(usex some_flag) > and get it set to "yes" or "no" If

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