On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
> bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
> failures that I only enable tests for my own packages. Sadly it is so
> bad that we have a FEATURES=t
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
Ryan Hill wrote:
> I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or
> something similar to get it out of FEATURES="test" control. The
> testsuite is a huge time-suck and only useful to developers IMO
> (always expected to fail and primarily mean
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:10:33AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 23:26 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:17:35PM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> >
> > > It impacts users who use stable keywords and are therefore stuck with
> > > GNOME-2.32. Th
On Wed, 01 May 2013 01:29:05 -0400
"Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" wrote:
> Sadly it is so
> bad that we have a FEATURES=test-fail-continue I can't really say
> anything negative, that fact really says it all...
My beef is not with the existence of this FEATURE but that it's enabled
in the dev
Hi Zac,
Zac Medico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible
> wrote:
>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary
>> with portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2
>> gets stable...
>
> Since portage-2.1.11.20 [1], you can do th
Jörg Schaible wrote:
> icu. The ebuild happily removes any trace of the old shared libs
> with the result that half of the stuff that is *required* to build
> kdelibs is now broken. The build aborts and leaves behind a broken
> system. And this happened now not for the first time!
Tom Wijsman wrot
On Wed, 1 May 2013 11:20:37 +0200
Peter Stuge wrote:
> Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > > Well, here we go again! Again an update of Gentoo stable where
> > > emerge tries to upgrade icu and KDE in one run (and this time
> > > additionally libreoffice).
> >
> > If you don't want that to happen, use packag
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
accessible and easy to migrate to/from openrc. Both are able to
happily coexis
Peter Stuge wrote:
> Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > icu. The ebuild happily removes any trace of the old shared libs
> > with the result that half of the stuff that is *required* to build
> > kdelibs is now broken. The build aborts and leaves behind a broken
> > system. And this happened now not for the
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
> - other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
> could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
> enough).
[...]
Can't them be stolen from other distros running systemd?
[...]
> The only
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> [...]
>> - other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
>> could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
>> enough).
> [...]
>
> Can't them
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 13:00 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
> >> The only remaining problem is about eselect-sysvinit, for this reason,
> >> I am probably going to create a new separate pkg called
> >> _sysvinit-next_, that contains all the fun stuff many developers were
> >> not allowed
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME.
> GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot.
> Do I have to emerge GNOME-BASE in it's entirety just to get GSettings
> working?
Then I misunderstoo
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>
> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
> into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
> a
On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:50:42 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> [...]
> > - other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
> > could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
> > enough).
> [...]
>
> Can
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
>> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>>
>> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
>> into t
On 05/01/13 05:04, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>
> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
> into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
> accessible and easy to m
There is no tracker yet. But it may be very well materialize at some point.
--
Fabio Erculiani
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
>> portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2 gets
>> stable...
>
> Since portage-2.1.11.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> - genkernel needs to migrate to *udev (or as I did, provide a --udev
> genkernel option), mdev is unable to properly activate LVM volumes and
> LVM is actually working by miracle with openrc. Alternatively, we
> should migrate to dracut.
I'
On 05/01/2013 02:07 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
> Hi Zac,
>
> Zac Medico wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible
>> wrote:
>>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary
>>> with portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2
>>> gets
On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
>>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
>>> portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 befor
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible
>>> wrote:
The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
>
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:14:07PM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> >> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
> >> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
> >>
> >>
On 1 May 2013 02:52, Ryan Hill wrote:
> Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey or a
> robot*.
>
> *or both (?!)
>
Alternative possibilities include ninja, zombie and wizard.
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On 4/30/13 8:25 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or something
> similar to get it out of FEATURES="test" control. The testsuite is a huge
> time-suck and only useful to developers IMO (always expected to fail and
> primarily meant to be used to c
On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> It is sad to say that the "territoriality" in base-system (and
> toolchain) is not allowing any kind of progress [3] [4]. This is
> nothing new, by the way.
>
> [4] "useless crap": https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399615
As far as I read the bug,
On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:52:09 -0700
""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote:
> On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> > It is sad to say that the "territoriality" in base-system (and
> > toolchain) is not allowing any kind of progress [3] [4]. This is
> > nothing new, by the way.
> >
> > [4] "useless cr
Hi, everyone.
This one goes to gentoo-dev since it's a potentially wider idea
and I'd like to get other developers opinion on.
As you most likely already know, distutils-r1 allows ebuilds to define
sub-phase functions like:
python_compile() {
# commands which will be run for each impl
---
gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass | 18 ++
1 file changed, 18 insertions(+)
diff --git a/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass b/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
index 47b5b97..4c2e819 100644
--- a/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
+++ b/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
@@ -206,6 +206,20
---
gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild | 4 ++--
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild
b/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild
index 4f4f3aa..91a8d57 100644
--- a/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
wrote:
> On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>
> As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing.
> Distros doing lots of custom changes can only add more chaos to the picture.
We are a distribution, we have our own goals,
Fabio, I think you're doing awesome work!
Steven, I think you can behave a lot better on the internet. kthx.
Steven J. Long wrote:
> > It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd
> > more accessible,
>
> Sure there is: there's also consensus that this approach is wrong
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME.
> > GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot.
> > Do I have to emerge GNOM
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Steven, I think you can behave a lot better on the internet. kthx.
Amazing. I came to the exact opposite conclusion.
On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:00:29 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> > I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
> > bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
> > failures that I only enable tes
On Wed, 1 May 2013 10:14:02 +0200
Ralph Sennhauser wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
> Ryan Hill wrote:
>
> > I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or
> > something similar to get it out of FEATURES="test" control. The
> > testsuite is a huge time-suck and onl
2 other classes of tests you may want to consider :
- network/internet accessibility required tests
- markers for tests that are known/expected to fail under many conditions
and are not worth end-user-testing, but end-users can force-running any way
if they really want to see the individual failur
On Wed, 1 May 2013 08:57:35 +0200
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Ryan Hill wrote:
> > Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey
> > or a robot*. Anyone capable of reasoning could puzzle out the
> > implications of not allowing user-given options to o
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:00:29 +0100
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
>> > I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
>> > bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you
Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
>> Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means "embrace diversitiy".
>> If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
>> you're very welcome, but also people who want to have fun with new
>> stuff should
On 01/05/13 10:11 PM, Duncan wrote as excerpted:
> Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
>
>>> Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means "embrace diversitiy".
>>> If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
>>> you're very welcome, but a
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:13:54PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 13:00 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> [...]
> > >> The only remaining problem is about eselect-sysvinit, for this reason,
> > >> I am probably going to create a new separate pkg called
> > >> _sysvinit-next_,
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 11:14:28PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
> wrote:
> > On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> >
> > As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing.
> > Distros doing lots of custom changes can only
Zac Medico posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 08:01:45 -0700 as excerpted:
> On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> I think it is time to consider enabling [preserve-libs] by default.
>> Hopefully any ABI bumps will be accompanied by a
>> subslot / slot-operator migration at this point.
>
> Yeah
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 12:38:03 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:25:08 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > Below is a patch that brings the spec in line with common sense.
> >
> > And in fact, I wonder why we're even discussing th
On Wednesday 01 May 2013 21:24:07 Kent Fredric wrote:
please do not top post
-mike
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On 2 May 2013 15:18, William Hubbs wrote:
> Like I've already said too, I don't see that we need to do this change.
>
> Systemd is called /usr/lib/systemd/systemd (it should be
> /lib/systemd/systemd), and sysvinit is called /sbin/init,, so I don't
> see the need for moving init around and creati
On 2 May 2013 16:21, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 May 2013 21:24:07 Kent Fredric wrote:
>
> please do not top post
> -mike
>
My apologies, Gmail has forced upon us this new message composer, and it
sucks, it actively discourages bottom posting, and I'm stuck with it.
I even complain
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On 05/01/2013 03:00 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
>> I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
>> bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
>>
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On 05/01/2013 09:18 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2013 10:14:02 +0200
> Ralph Sennhauser wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
>> Ryan Hill wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or
>>> something
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 00:57 -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> On 05/01/2013 03:00 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> >> I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
> >> bad with circular deps (I'm looking at y
On Thu, 2 May 2013 03:38:24 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> After some early issues with "too much magic" re preserved-libs
Why is it magic? It is well explained what it does (eg. man make.conf).
> I originally would rather let the upgrades happen as
> they always did and simp
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Kent Fredric wrote:
>
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>
> Against, the symlink may introduce parts that are breakable, like if user
> messes up and places the destination of the symlink on a different partition
> ( shouldn't be a problem, but might be ), or if you're doing an initird that
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