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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> Knowing what the problem is is part of making the solution. The problem
> is not that users can't push arbitrary content into a centralised
> official repository with no oversight from the herds appropriate for
> said content
Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
> Gentoo is a team effort. There's no place in Gentoo for developers who
> can't function within a team environment where members must be capable
> of rational deliberation and, from time to time, compromise.
OTOH this "team collaboration" doesn't mean that we have to agree w
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Good intentions and trying to be helpful don't keep users or
> developers. Screwups lose users and developers.
It's really funny to hear such a statement from a person who made several great
developers leave the project.
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:10:45 +0200 Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Good intentions and trying to be helpful don't keep users or
| > developers. Screwups lose users and developers.
|
| It's really funny to hear such a statement from a person who made
| several
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:13:45 -0700 Joshua Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| That is the issue at hand at the core of this. Its called choice.
Choice is not an end in itself.
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On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 03:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > | we take a risk with this project (like every single other
> > | project) ... if sun
Bryan A~stergaard wrote:
> Left in a huff? I'm sorry but I don't think you fully understand the
> reasons for Brix leaving. After Sunrise was suspended by the council
> there was a meeting [1] between brix, the sunrise leads (genstef and
> jokey), christel (representing user relations), myself and
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:21:17AM +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Bryan A~stergaard wrote:
> Well, huh??? Looks like you've missed the -dev ML thread altogether, as
> did brix (despite it was himself who started it, as Mike has already
> pointed out). Brix didn't write any proposal and didn't raise any
Bryan A~stergaard wrote:
> That's my opinion anyway and from talking to brix about all this I
> believe his biggest reason for leaving have been the way Sunrise have
> been forced through despite the many complaints raised (and still not
> fixed).
>
> Regards,
> Bryan ?stergaard
Well, such as? T
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> people need to bring up their outstanding issues now and get them
> addressed
Hello all,
I'm currently a Gentoo "power user" and I'm being mentored by kloeri to
become a developer. During this time, I've had the chance to study
accurately the Gentoo developer's handbook and
On 2006.07.31 03:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| we take a risk with this project (like every single other
| project) ... if sunrise turns out to suck and cause problems, then
we
| kill it, no big deal
How many more users
On 2006.07.31 03:00, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
On 7/30/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is nothing you or anyone else can say that will make me
think otherwise,
You won't listen, yet you expect to be listened to. Speaking as a
user and lover of Gentoo I believe you should r
maillog: 31/07/2006-09:21:51(+0100): Ciaran McCreesh types
>
> No, what's funny is watching people do nothing when Sunrise really is
> making developers leave.
Did I miss someone's resignation, or was the plural "developers" an
exaggeration.
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Roy Bamford wrote:
> Sunrise attempts to provide the next part of the school system down.
A school system should have a well defined syllabus, explicit
educational targets and an objective evaluation system. If Gentoo is
going to run a Gentoo School with courses for developers, that sounds
cool (an
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Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 23:50 -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
>> My concern is beyond me. As I stated I know enough about what to expect IF
>> I
>> use sunrise. But many do not and with it becoming official people figure
>>
A patch for your signature to increase your life expectancy. ;)
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Best Regards
Sebastian Noack
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Von: Jan Kundrát [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ges
Am Montag, 31. Juli 2006 11:16 schrieb ext Noack, Sebastian:
> A patch for your signature to increase your life expectancy. ;)
>
> @@ -1 +1 @@
> -cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth
> +cd /local/pub && more beer | sed -e "s/beer/water/g" > /dev/mouth
Luckily, this doesn't even work :-) Beer wi
On 2006.07.31 12:01, Giacomo Cariello wrote:
Roy Bamford wrote:
> Sunrise attempts to provide the next part of the school system
down. A school system should have a well defined syllabus, explicit
educational targets and an objective evaluation system. If Gentoo is
going to run a Gentoo School
Dňa Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:21:38 +0200
Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napísal:
> I'd like to nominate Andrej Kacian (ticho). He's quite a silent dev
> (speaking about -dev and -core flamefests :) ), so chances are that he
> won't go bananas. He also wrote nice articles about his hiking
> activities
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 01:01:20PM +0200, Christian Andreetta wrote:
>
> Many users (and I'm both a dev *and* a user) just could do much for
> Gentoo, but when you're interested in a niche sector package, you *don't
> have other choices* but
>
> 1) an endless wait for an open bug
> 2) becoming de
On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 03:07:03PM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> We're nearing the end of the nomination period.
>
> So far (if we are to trust
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/council-2006-nominees.xml) the following
> developers accepted their nomination :
>
> dostrow
> Flameeyes
> KingTaco
> k
On 7/31/06, Joshua Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thirdly, I know one of the issues with one of the leaders of the
project, is the fact that they are not a ebuild developer. I'd like to
have them take the second quiz simply to prove that they have the
knowledge to be trusted to review the ebu
Noack, Sebastian wrote:
> A patch for your signature to increase your life expectancy. ;)
>
> @@ -1 +1 @@
> -cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth
> +cd /local/pub && more beer | sed -e "s/beer/water/g" > /dev/mouth
BTTTDW (Been There, Tried That, Didn't Work :) )
Cheers,
-jkt
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Sorry to start yet another thread on this but all the others seem to
have just turned into a shouting match among developers... and sorry
if this has already been covered.
It seems that the most logical solution to the Sunrise "problem" is to
separate it from Gentoo... I know that there are other
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:13:45 -0700
Joshua Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a lot of irony in this entire discussion. We are actually
> talking about going against what the heck part of the reason this
> project was started. Are we seriously that *can't find the word I'm
> looking for*
Michael Crute wrote:
> Thoughts anyone?
That's all been done. That's why the last thread's title has the word 'resumed'
in it, after all :P
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On Monday 31 July 2006 09:54, Michael Crute wrote:
> Thoughts anyone?
As a non-dev, that sounds like a good idea. Or at LEAST a seperate mailing
list for sunrise stuff, the number of sunrise related mails here is so much
that I can't be arsed to follow all of them
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On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 09:54 -0400, Michael Crute wrote:
> Sorry to start yet another thread on this but all the others seem to
> have just turned into a shouting match among developers... and sorry
> if this has already been covered.
>
> It seems that the most logical solution to the Sunrise "prob
I've masked net-im/aim, AOL's proprietary offering. It hasn't seen a
release in years, it's binary-only, and it's far less capable than any
other client out there.
I'll remove it in 30 days, or whenever I remember it's still there.
Thanks,
Donnie
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Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:56:47 -0600:
> Most major archs have at least some version of 3.3 and 3.4 available in
> stable. Sometimes even 2.95, and some lucky winners have 4.1 in ~arch.
> amd64 has 3.3 masked for some reason
On 7/31/06, Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That has been discussed, it would not be a technical problem.
One reason this should be avoided is control - as soon as sunrise runs
on non-official hardware (like, say ... hmmm ...
sunrise.gentooexperimental.org) gentoo has no control at all o
Hello,
since I've not really been involved in the whole Sunrise discussion I'd
like to give my view in a condensed form, instead of spreading it out
over 20 replies in the ongoing discussion. Also I hope to summarize the
main points a bit, but I know this mail is far from objective and as
such not
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> i guess i'll start off some mass nominations of random people off the top of
> my head who i think would do a good job ... there's a bunch more people i
> think would do a good job, but i'm going to cut my list short as it's already
> ridiculously long ...
> some other
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:08:12 +0200 "Denis Dupeyron"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| What if a well respected ebuild developper that supports the project
| volunteered to join it ?
Get a half dozen and I suspect a lot of the concern will be reduced
substantially...
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Thanks for the nomination SpanKY :) I'll decline this time around, to
make room for fresh minds.
Thanks,
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Hello dear followers,
tonight after a some deliberation I have decided to step down as gnome
lead in favor of AllanonJL. As far as I am concerned AllanonJL has been
the acting lead for quite a while now, while I was too busy to devote
much time to Gentoo and as such it was the only logical next st
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 15:04 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Saturday 01 July 2006 02:46, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating
> > people for the next Gentoo Council
>
> i guess i'll start off some mass nominations of random people off th
foser wrote:
> tonight after a some deliberation I have decided to step down as gnome
> lead in favor of AllanonJL. As far as I am concerned AllanonJL has been
> the acting lead for quite a while now, while I was too busy to devote
> much time to Gentoo and as such it was the only logical next step
> Some notes on some of the other people from my POV..
>
> -- Busy/Next Year/Other --
> dostrow (not around enough)
I'd agree that my availability over the past 6 months has been spotty at
best. I was ramping up for a cross country move and all that that
entails as well as dealing with a new po
* Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06/07/31 16:48 -0400]:
> Pylon (maybe.. not around enough however)
I don't know the basis for your statement, but I'm quite
good around.
Is it that you don't see that many emails from me here at
this list? Or is it that you don't see me hanging out in
#gentoo-dev
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 14:00 -0700, Daniel Ostrow wrote:
>
> > Some notes on some of the other people from my POV..
> >
> > -- Busy/Next Year/Other --
> > dostrow (not around enough)
>
>
> I'd agree that my availability over the past 6 months has been spotty at
> best. I was ramping up for a cro
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 04:48:42PM -0400, Ned Ludd wrote:
> kloeri (nice guy but dunno if the council is a proper match)
Guess I could do a lot worse than "nice guy" :) I haven't been part of
the council before so it's a bit difficult saying if it's a good fit or
not. But I'd certainly do my best t
On 7/31/06, foser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello dear followers,
tonight after a some deliberation I have decided to step down as gnome
lead in favor of AllanonJL. As far as I am concerned AllanonJL has been
the acting lead for quite a while now, while I was too busy to devote
much time to Gen
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 23:30 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote:
> * Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06/07/31 16:48 -0400]:
> > Pylon (maybe.. not around enough however)
>
> I don't know the basis for your statement, but I'm quite
> good around.
>
> Is it that you don't see that many emails from me here at
>
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 21:39 +, Bryan Ãstergaard wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 04:48:42PM -0400, Ned Ludd wrote:
> > kloeri (nice guy but dunno if the council is a proper match)
> Guess I could do a lot worse than "nice guy" :) I haven't been part of
> the council before so it's a bit difficu
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 16:48 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote:
[snip]
> patrick (nope)
I'm the alternative. Vote well or you'll have to live with me :-)
I hope that this motivates _everyone_ to vote ...
On a more serious note, I hope this mailinglist doesn't degenerate into
a political campaign. To paraphra
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 23:14:56 +0200, Ned Ludd wrote:
> -- No --
> nattfodd (nfc)
Is that "no fucking chance" or "no fucking clue"? I might agree to both :)
I'm quite a young dev (joined last fall) and though I hang quite a bit
on #gentoo-dev and try to follow -dev, I don't speak that much. I a
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 00:29 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 23:14:56 +0200, Ned Ludd wrote:
> > -- No --
> > nattfodd (nfc)
...
> clue"? I might agree to both :)
Meaning only that we have not really worked together.
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Gentoo Linux
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Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> To my former fellow Gentoo developers and users,
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 11:58:09PM +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
>> To my fellow Gentoo developers and users,
>>
>> In last weeks council meeting [1] it was decided that the Sunrise project is
>> no longer suspende
I appreciate the nomination but I already see enough people on the ballot
that I'd like to see fill the positions. So, this year, I'll decline
the nomination.
Michael Sterrett
-Mr. Bones.-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike Frysinger wrote:
i guess i'll start off some mass nominations of random peopl
i'm tired of looking at this package, anyone care about this thing enough to
be its maintainer ?
-mike
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