On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 03:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > | we take a risk with this project (like every single other > > | project) ... if sunrise turns out to suck and cause problems, then we > > | kill it, no big deal > > > > How many more users and developers will have to be lost before it's > > considered to "suck and cause problems"? > > I don't recall users having been lost to the Sunrise. I know of only > one developer who left. He left in a huff, in an emotional "I'm taking > toys, because I don't like them" way, without actually raising any > issues that he was against, other than a nebulous concern about QA. > Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a starting > place. > Left in a huff? I'm sorry but I don't think you fully understand the reasons for Brix leaving. After Sunrise was suspended by the council there was a meeting [1] between brix, the sunrise leads (genstef and jokey), christel (representing user relations), myself and one or two other people that showed an interest in the meeting (primarily antarus).
At that meeting we tried to figure out what the outstanding issues were and how they could be solved. The outcome of the meeting was that sunrise was to stay as an unofficial project until those issues were solved - I'd like to remind everybody that genstef and jokey agreed on this. Furthermore Brix was to write up his proposal on how to reach the goals of sunrise in a more acceptable way (to him and other people uneasy with the current sunrise project). Before this could even happen genstef took upon himself to tell the council that all outstanding problems have been solved although I haven't seen *any* progress regarding the issues raised on that meeting. I don't know if genstefs memory is just extremely bad or if he purposefully misled the council or something entirely different. That's not really my point either. *This is my point* - Brix sees sunrise in it's current form as a project with great potential to harm Gentoo. He agrees with the goals but not the implementation. And no matter how hard he works at solving the problems he sees genstef, jokey and the council have mostly ignored him by unsuspending the project. I certainly don't blame Brix if he sees no further possibility for correcting those problems and instead chooses to leave the project. Regards, Bryan Østergaard PS. Sorry genstef about picking at you but I don't know how you managed to forget everything that was agreed upon on our meeting. "21:56 <@Koon> Have all the reasonable objections been addressed ? 21:56 <@Koon> because you'll never satisfy those who want it dead anyway 21:56 <+genstef> I hope so. If you can point something more out to me I would love to hear it" <- our meeting ended up with some concerns that you even agreed to yourself by keeping sunrise unofficial. [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/39764 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
