I am writing an ebuild for pmwiki. Its not in the portage tree yet.
I think I will put the themes in /usr/share/pmwiki/Skins
Hope that is OK.
Stuart Herbert wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 07:41 +0100, Rene Zbinden wrote:
I am writing an eubild for an webapplication (wiki) and there are a lot
Jason Stubbs posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:08:08 +0900:
> On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote:
>> As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound
>> information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Motivation
==
There are currently several ways of getting news out to our users, none of them
particularly effective:
This assumes the following ways are really ineffective, something which
you don't prove or give any reason for. Hence it's eligable for another
On Saturday 05 of November 2005 11:28 Grobian wrote:
> Remember that it is easy
> to say here that users don't read what's on their consoles as well, as
> in post emerge messages etc. So make sure you deal with it upfront, why
> you think now it *will* work.
"Emerge messages" are usually hidden b
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 11:28:33AM +0100, Grobian wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >Motivation
> >==
> >
> >There are currently several ways of getting news out to our users, none of
> >them
> >particularly effective:
>
> This assumes the following ways are really ineffective, something
Jan Kundrát wrote:
On Saturday 05 of November 2005 11:28 Grobian wrote:
Remember that it is easy
to say here that users don't read what's on their consoles as well, as
in post emerge messages etc. So make sure you deal with it upfront, why
you think now it *will* work.
"Emerge messages" are
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 12:58:14AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Lightweight
> It is not reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, web browser,
> email
> client, cron daemon or text processing suite available on their system.
>
> Multiple delivery method support
> Some users
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You must not have read the [#forums-whining]_ reference as that makes it
quite clear that existing methods isn't adequate. Even if you think the
apache maintainers made lots of mistakes you can't really fault us for
not trying to get the news of config changes out to all
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 00:58 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Feedback from people who have something useful to say would be very much
> welcomed, assuming of course that they've read the GLEP.
It is written in the GLEP (Requirements):
No user monitoring required
It has already been demonstrat
Additional issue/question...
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 12:58:14AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> 6. Portage filters the news item and, if it is relevant, installs it in a
>special location to be read by a news item reader. Messages are also
>displayed to inform the user that news is availab
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 12:29:28PM +0100, Grobian wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >You must not have read the [#forums-whining]_ reference as that makes it
> >quite clear that existing methods isn't adequate. Even if you think the
> >apache maintainers made lots of mistakes you can't really fau
On Saturday 05 of November 2005 12:34 Lisa Seelye wrote:
> The first is the method of delivery: Through 'emerge sync', which
> requires that users run this on a regular basis to receive relevant
> news. Further, this process can take a very long time and transfers a
> relatively large amount of d
On Saturday 05 November 2005 06:08, Jason Stubbs wrote:
> Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for package-specific news?
>From a user/sys.admin point of view let me give you an example;
I maintain quite a lot Gentoo-systems. For me it's impossible to read _every_
changelog for minor releas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we were only aiming at a certain group of people there would be no
need to change anything. The apache announcements reached lots of users
but still left a large chunk of users in the dark. Moving the news to
-announce or some RSS feed wouldn't change anything as the b
> A more reliable way of getting news of critical updates out to users is
> required to avoid repeats of the various recent upgrade debacles.
Examples of the "recent upgrade debacles" aren't needed, but you should at
least state some of the outcomes that occurred, whether it be unscheduled
downt
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 01:58:00PM +0100, Grobian wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I disagree. A lot Gentoo users I know read gentoo-announce and the GWN.
> For me it works quite well if I see a message with a warning on
> something. I can quickly find it back if I am in need for it. I wo
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 10:18:14PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
> > ``Display-If-Installed:``
> > ?? ?? A dependency atom or simple package name (for example,
> > ?? ?? `` > ?? ?? package specified installed, the news item should be displayed.
> >
> > ``Display-If-Keyword:``
> > ?? ?? A keyword [#gl
On Saturday 05 November 2005 22:24, Brian Harring wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 10:18:14PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
> > > ``Display-If-Installed:``
> > > Â Â A dependency atom or simple package name (for example,
> > >   `` > > the   package specified installed, the news item should
"Bryan ���" wrote:
Even if you don't realise that this will be a big help for many users or
you just don't think those users deserver any help (not sure which one
it is tbh) - you might at least consider the fact that only having to
push news about major / critical cha
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Continuing a subject I've brought up several times in the past...
Are we any closer to having a profiles.desc that lists all valid profiles?
IIRC the current stable portage should be ok with it. Are there any other
issues preventing this from becomin
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:28:33 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Preemptive
| > Users should be told of changes *before* they break the user's
| > system, after the damage has already been done.
|
| style suggestion for unambigous interpretation:
| perhaps a "because if applied afterw
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 05:24:51 -0600 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Drop the lightweight bit and merge it into multiple delivery. You're
| after lightweight _default_, which is fine, but the phrasing is a bit
| screwed.
Hrm, I don't see those as contradictory. There's a requirement tha
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:34:23 + Lisa Seelye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| The first is the method of delivery: Through 'emerge sync', which
| requires that users run this on a regular basis to receive relevant
| news. Further, this process can take a very long time and transfers a
| relatively
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 05:43:12 -0600 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Your example readers delete from the news directory, yet I'd expect
| that's not going to be desirable for all setups- nor is leaving the
| news item in the news directory, and having it flagged every sync by
| emerge a
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:18:14 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| > A more reliable way of getting news of critical updates out to
| > users is required to avoid repeats of the various recent upgrade
| > debacles.
|
| Examples of the "recent upgrade debacles" aren't needed, but you
| sho
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:28:33 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Preemptive
| > Users should be told of changes *before* they break the user's
| > system, after the damage has already been done
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:58:40 + (UTC) Ferris McCormick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I can't resist. I think you mean '"not" after "system,"':
| "...*before* they break the user's system, not after "
Uh oh, I think I finally cracked. Now I'm crazzyyy!!!
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Ciaran McCreesh : Gen
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 09:23 -0500, Aaron Walker wrote:
> Continuing a subject I've brought up several times in the past...
>
> Are we any closer to having a profiles.desc that lists all valid profiles?
> IIRC the current stable portage should be ok with it. Are there any other
> issues preventing
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 17:53 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 05:43:12 -0600 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | Your example readers delete from the news directory, yet I'd expect
> | that's not going to be desirable for all setups- nor is leaving the
> | news item in
051105 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
...
> News Item File Format
...
> The news item will be named in the form ``-mm-dd-item-name.en.txt``
...
> News Item Headers
...
> Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001).
Why the change in date format ? Let's use the proper intern
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:13:32 -0500 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Hrm. Append '.read' to the filename?
|
| chmod -r filename
Makes writing clients a pain in the ass.
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Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:24:01 -0500 Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| 051105 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > News Item File Format
| ...
| > The news item will be named in the form
| > ``-mm-dd-item-name.en.txt``
| ...
| > News Item Headers
| ...
| > Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` f
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 05:45:35PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > News items may be signed using GPG. If this is done, a detached
> | > signature should be used.
> |
> | I'd argue for must be, personally. A bogus news item claiming to be
> | from portage devs, telling users to change their
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 01:34:55PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 09:23 -0500, Aaron Walker wrote:
> > Continuing a subject I've brought up several times in the past...
> >
> > Are we any closer to having a profiles.desc that lists all valid profiles?
> > IIRC the current s
051105 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> 5 Nov 2005 14:24:01 -0500 Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 051105 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> > News Item File Format
>> ...
>> > The news item will be named in the form
>> > ``-mm-dd-item-name.en.txt``
>> ...
>> > News Item Headers
>> ...
>> > Date
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Apart from that this point seems to repeat much of the previous one,
| it introduces a new unfounded claim (users do read, but now too late)
Read the linked forums thread and all will become clear.
the forums thread advocates against the new unfounded claim, IMHO.
|
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:24:14 -0500 Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| > Consistency with GLEPs.
|
| Sorry, that doesn't mean anything:
| could you offer something which makes more sense ?
GLEP 1 mandates date headers in that format.
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:32:19 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I was referring to the item-name. It is defined to allow "-", whild
| the fields are also separated with "-". Hence I suggested to allow
| "_" in the item-name instead of "-" to avoid (possible) problems when
| parsing the fi
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:29:31 -0600 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| > Signing elsewhere isn't mandatory yet.
|
| Deal with it ;)
In order to deal with it, I'd also have to come up with a solution to
distributing keys for Gentoo developers. That's a separate issue which
must be addressed
Hi!
I am member of LUG, and we are interested in becoming a Gentoo Mirror!
We are wanting to know info about system requirements and
configuration.
Cumps
Armindo Silva
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Armindo Silva wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am member of LUG, and we are interested in becoming a Gentoo Mirror!
> We are wanting to know info about system requirements and
> configuration.
>
> Cumps
>
> Armindo Silva
> --
The following docs are available:
G
this can be found in the docs at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/
On 11/5/05, Armindo Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am member of LUG, and we are interested in becoming a Gentoo Mirror!
> We are wanting to know info about system requirements and
> configuration.
>
> Cumps
>
> Armindo Silva
Hi!
You're right!! Just found it! I never entered on Other Documentation Section..
Thanx!!
On 11/6/05, Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this can be found in the docs at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/
>
> On 11/5/05, Armindo Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I am member of LUG,
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 19:37 -0500, Robert Paskowitz wrote:
>
> The following docs are available:
>
> Gentoo Linux rsync Mirrors Policy -- http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rsync.xml
> Gentoo Linux Source Mirrors Policy --
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/source_mirrors.xml
>
> those should cover most
On Sunday 06 November 2005 02:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:18:14 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | > The following headers are used for filtering. If none of these
> | > headers are specified, the news item is displayed for all users.
> | > Otherwise, the news item is
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 09:23 -0500, Aaron Walker wrote:
>
>>Continuing a subject I've brought up several times in the past...
>>
>>Are we any closer to having a profiles.desc that lists all valid profiles?
>>IIRC the current s
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