Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Anthony Gorecki
On Monday, July 04, 2005 11:19 pm, Jon Portnoy wrote: > I am wondering why we have anonymous trolls on this mailing list. This is a public mailing list that doesn't use message filters. -- Anthony Gorecki Ectro-Linux Foundation pgp3MElZoJB2f.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Stuart Longland
Anthony Gorecki wrote: > On Monday, July 04, 2005 10:14 pm, Stuart Longland wrote: > >>Why stop there? Why not extend it to hardware manufacturers that make >>heavy use of patents? >> >>Good luck finding a decent video card for that lovely desktop of yours. :-) > > I'm still holding out hope tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Anthony Gorecki
On Monday, July 04, 2005 10:13 pm, twofourtysix wrote: > Mostly, I was hoping that all those people who seem more than happy to > advocate something with *words* would be prepared to back them up with > *actions*. I advocate that more rapid stabilization of the tree would be very useful for the u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Kumba
twofourtysix wrote: Not being privy to -core either, I am wondering about the apparently hypocritical stance being taken on this issue. I'm not sure if you caught the last few mails, but as stated, opinions posted on the Planet/Blog/Bathroom Stall are simply _opinions_ of individual entities.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Ioannis Aslanidis
On 7/5/05, Kumba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2) This pointless debate will eventually die, because if it doesn't >I'm going to start quoting select excerpts from Vogon Poetry. > > 3) If the Vogon Poetry fails, I'll start reading excerpts from >Grunthos the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Stuart Longland
twofourtysix wrote: > On 05/07/05, Robert Paskowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>You have encouraged gentoo to remove patent-encoumbered software from >>portage. I'd like to see you personally work with only software that >>does not contain any patented work. > > No, I have encouraged Gentoo to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 06:13 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: > Mostly, I was hoping that all those people who seem more than happy to > advocate something with *words* would be prepared to back them up with > *actions*. I think it's a shame that Gentoo is prepared to encourage > people to pester their po

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread twofourtysix
On 05/07/05, Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 06:13 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: > > Mostly, I was hoping that all those people who seem more than happy to > > advocate something with *words* would be prepared to back them up with > > *actions*. I think it's a shame th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:59:26PM -0700, Anthony Gorecki wrote: > On Monday, July 04, 2005 11:19 pm, Jon Portnoy wrote: > > I am wondering why we have anonymous trolls on this mailing list. > > This is a public mailing list that doesn't use message filters. > I am aware of this, however general

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 11:18 +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > Hi, > > Starting from linux-2.6.13-rc1 the PCMCIA subsystem has been patched to > exports certain internals to sysfs, which allows using hotplug for > handling insertion/ejection of 16bit PCMCIA cards. > > For this to work, a new pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 13:42 -0500, Brian D. Harring wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 02:30:12PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 01 July 2005 02:11 pm, Brian D. Harring wrote: > > > Meanwhile, back to the "you want us to add what?", our dependency > > > graph *is* incomplete. > > > > so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 10:09 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: > On 05/07/05, Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 06:13 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: > > > Mostly, I was hoping that all those people who seem more than happy to > > > advocate something with *words* would be prepa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 14:45 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: > Azarah wrote:[Sat Jun 18 2005, 07:23:19AM EDT] > > You might however say install all gnuish tools with the 'g' prefix, > > and then install wrapper scripts/stubs into say /usr/bin/gnu/ or > > /bin/gnu/ (with /usr/bin/gnu/find calling gfind, e

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 15:59 -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 01 July 2005 12:25 pm, Brian D. Harring wrote: > > > Currently, we pretty much leave out the big dogs of build depends from > > > ebuilds- basically we rely on the profile to require a sui

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 11:25 +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: > A bit late I know, but just for interest sake .. virtuals is usually > used when more than one package usually provides the same compatible > api/tool ... which basically means pcmcia-cs and pcmciautils do the same > thing and cannot be i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 15:14 +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > Good luck finding a decent video card for that lovely desktop of yours. :-) Who needs video cards? My old VT-100 A4 terminal works just fine. ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 14:11 +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 11:25 +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: > > A bit late I know, but just for interest sake .. virtuals is usually > > used when more than one package usually provides the same compatible > > api/tool ... which basica

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Of course not -- Grunthos the Flatulent was the inventor of vaporware Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: >On 7/5/05, Kumba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>2) This pointless debate will eventually die, because if it doesn't >> I'm going to start quoting select excerpts from Vogon Poet

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 07:35 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > On that note.. Would you mind compiling it one time with a gcc built > with +boundschecking and then enabling CFLAGS+= -fbounds-checking as a > basic q/a check. Reason being that if nobody has ever included it > anywhere the chances of it being

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 15:24 +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 07:35 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > > On that note.. Would you mind compiling it one time with a gcc built > > with +boundschecking and then enabling CFLAGS+= -fbounds-checking as a > > basic q/a check. Reason being

[gentoo-dev] Adding perl to packages.build

2005-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
First off, I'm going to ask that everyone please respond on gentoo-dev, I am sending this to -core to try to catch everyone. I am wanting to add dev-lang/perl to packages.build in default-linux. Now, allow me to explain before you guys break out the torches and pitchforks. The new current stable

[gentoo-dev] 2005.1 x86 pre GRP-set

2005-07-05 Thread Benjamin Judas
Heare, Heare, his royal highness Forman has just uploaded the prerelease GRP-set, universal install-cd and the snapshot into the experimental-branch on the mirrors (experimental/x86/livecd/x86/). If you feel like testing the media, I would really appreciate it. All bugs concerning the media sho

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 07:35 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > On that note.. Would you mind compiling it one time with a gcc built > with +boundschecking and then enabling CFLAGS+= -fbounds-checking as a > basic q/a check. Reason being that if nobody has ever included it > anywhere the chances of it being

[gentoo-dev] DEPEND on alternative release series of a package

2005-07-05 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
I want to add an ebuild for APC 3.0.0 (dev-php/PECL-apc) to portage but am stuck with the following problem: APC 3.0.0 works with PHP 4.3.X and PHP 5.1.X but not with PHP 5.0.X. To block the installation of APC 3.0.0 with PHP 5.0.X I added the following to the ebuild: DEPEND="...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 04:07 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: > Are these people prepared to back up their views by removing from the > tree all those ebuilds for software made by companies who make heavy > use of software patents? That would be far more effective, and may > even encourage a few mainstrea

[gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, I'd like to introduce the following security policy for web-based apps. If there are no objections, every new web-based app will have to conform to the policy before it can be added to the tree. Every existing web-based app will have to conform to the policy by the end of August, or I will re

Re: [gentoo-dev] DEPEND on alternative release series of a package

2005-07-05 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Sebastian Bergmann schrieb: > While this seems to work with emerge, I get DEPEND.bad and RDEPEND.bad > errors from repoman. Nevermind, || ( =dev-php/php-4* =dev-php/php-5.1* )" seems to work. -- Sebastian Bergmann http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/ GnuPG Key: 0x

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 04:21 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote: > 1. The Gentoo package's maintainer will identify one *named* contact >UPSTREAM for security-related matters, and one named general contact >UPSTREAM (as a fallback for when the security contact is >unreachable). > 2. This informa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Lance Albertson
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 05 July 2005 04:21 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote: > >>1. The Gentoo package's maintainer will identify one *named* contact >> UPSTREAM for security-related matters, and one named general contact >> UPSTREAM (as a fallback for when the security contact is >> unre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: > Hi, > > > 1. The Gentoo package's maintainer will identify one *named* contact >UPSTREAM for security-related matters, and one named general contact >UPSTREAM (as a fallback for when the security contact is >unrea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread David Morgan
> > 1. The Gentoo package's maintainer will identify one *named* contact > >UPSTREAM for security-related matters, and one named general contact > >UPSTREAM (as a fallback for when the security contact is > >unreachable). And what happens if upstream is only one person? -- djm --

[gentoo-dev] inetd/xinetd useflags

2005-07-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Time for cleanups in Gentoo/FreeBSD.. we already disabled inetd building in our latest ebuilds, but that isn't exactly sorted out for a reason: I don't know how to deal with xinetd. Let me summarize: inetd is the old-unix-insecure implementation that it's usually used. xinetd is a (drop-in?) re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 05:52:47PM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: > > 3. This information will be checked every three months to ensure it > >remains valid. > > Are you volunteering to do 3? If not, who will? I'll help. -- Renat Lumpau Gentoo developer GPG key id #C6A838DA on http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:21:35 +0100 Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to introduce the following security policy for web-based > apps. If there are no objections, every new web-based app will have > to conform to the policy before it can be added to the tree. Every > ex

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Brian Jackson
Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 15:59 -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 01 July 2005 12:25 pm, Brian D. Harring wrote: Currently, we pretty much leave out the big dogs of build depends from ebuilds- basically we rely on the profile to

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.desc and use.local.desc cleanup

2005-07-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 06:36 pm, Sven Wegener wrote: > x11-base/kdrive: freetype > x11-libs/fox: truetype nothing should be using freetype ... i'll go ahead and delete that from global since it shouldnt have been added in the first place -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] inetd/xinetd useflags

2005-07-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 06:17 pm, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > inetd is the old-unix-insecure implementation that it's usually used. > xinetd is a (drop-in?) replacement for it which is now used by quite > everyone who wants an inetd-style daemons. you cant technically say it's a drop in sin

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.desc and use.local.desc cleanup

2005-07-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 01:23, Mike Frysinger wrote: > nothing should be using freetype ... i'll go ahead and delete that from > global since it shouldnt have been added in the first place Doesn't this remember you of some dupe bugs of us? :P -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò Gentoo Developer - http

[gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Sven Wegener
Hi all! Short explanation for the subject: A *DEPEND mismatch is when a package is listed in DEPEND, but missing in RDEPEND and vice versa. I have a list of ebuilds at http://dev.gentoo.org/~swegener/qa/depend-mismatches that contain such mismatches. I've already whitelisted packages like automake

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 08:00 pm, Sven Wegener wrote: > contains a lot of false positives. I can whitelist packages for DEPEND > or RDEPEND either general, based on eclass usage or for a specific > package. If you are sure that your package has a safe mismatch, I can > add it to the whitelist. But

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 02:12, Mike Frysinger wrote: > you should def whitelist for DEPEND only: dev-util/cvs is used by vlc during build process (BDEPEND?) Still there are a few other RDEPEND which makes sense to not be DEPEND, especially for scripts. -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò Gentoo Deve

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Sven Wegener
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 08:12:31PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > you should def whitelist for DEPEND only: > app-arch/zip > app-arch/unrar > dev-util/jam > media-gfx/nvidia-cg-toolkit > games-util/loki_patch I added them to the list of packages being safe to be used in DEPEND only. Sven -- Sve

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 02:00:24AM +0200, Sven Wegener wrote: [snip] Could you possibly split the stuff into two files? one for RDEPEND.only and one for DEPEND.only? I see a lot more FP for RDEPEND.only. Many of the RDEPEND.only are correct, as the packages are just scripts that call other binari

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.desc and use.local.desc cleanup

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 00:36 +0200, Sven Wegener wrote: > Hi all! > > Please see below for a list of use.desc and use.local.desc entries that > are currently unused. I also include a list of local flags for which a > global flag with the same name exists. > > If no developer speaks up within the n

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 18:17 -0500, Brian Jackson wrote: > Martin Schlemmer wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 15:59 -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: > > > >>Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>>On Friday 01 July 2005 12:25 pm, Brian D. Harring wrote: > >>> > Currently, we pretty much leav

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Brian Jackson
Martin Schlemmer wrote: >> >>Big picture here: >>* BDEPEND does nothing now, so don't worry about it if you don't want to >>* in the future it will make other things possible >>* give the man problems you see with the proposal, not just tell him that >>portage doesn't handle it right now... I thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 20:59 -0500, Brian Jackson wrote: > Martin Schlemmer wrote: > > >> > >>Big picture here: > >>* BDEPEND does nothing now, so don't worry about it if you don't want to > >>* in the future it will make other things possible > >>* give the man problems you see with the proposal,

Re: [gentoo-dev] inetd/xinetd useflags

2005-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > personally i'd support a doxinetd func that would check to see if xinetd is > installed rather than go with a USE flag ... This kind of auto-enabling stuff is our bane upstream, so I don't see that creating more of it ourselve

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.desc and use.local.desc cleanup

2005-07-05 Thread Kumba
Sven Wegener wrote: Unused local flags: sys-kernel/mips-headers: cobalt It's used, it just looks like I forgot to add it to IUSE in the 2.6.11-r1 ebuild. Should be fixed. --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees "Such is oft the course of deeds that mo