Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-12 Thread Peter Volkov
В Втр, 11/10/2011 в 19:10 +0300, Samuli Suominen пишет: > > Samuli pretends here to act as a part of QA team (although he is not). > > Actually even whiteboard of stabilization bug tells #at _earliest_ 17 > > Oct" and thus there is really no sign for rush. This is the case where > > QA should voice

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-12 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/12/2011 04:44 AM, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:52:42 +0100 > Markos Chandras wrote: > >> Seems like none of you ever bothered to read the bug about pngcrush >> and what was discussed there. It is getting a little bit of a habit to >> escalate minor problems to flames in Gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-12 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/12/11 02:44, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:52:42 +0100 Markos Chandras > wrote: > >> Seems like none of you ever bothered to read the bug about >> pngcrush and what was discussed there. It is getting a little >> bit of a habit t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 10/11/11 21:01, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> On Dienstag 11 Oktober 2011 20:23:13 Markos Chandras wrote: >>> On 10/11/11 18:34, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:52

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/11/11 21:01, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > On Dienstag 11 Oktober 2011 20:23:13 Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 10/11/11 18:34, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Markos Chandras >> >>> wrote: >> I understand your points but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
On Dienstag 11 Oktober 2011 20:23:13 Markos Chandras wrote: > On 10/11/11 18:34, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Markos Chandras > > > wrote: > I understand your points but given the fact that we have no active QA > team to pick up the mess whenever needed (Diego can't d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/11/11 18:34, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Markos Chandras > wrote: I understand your points but given the fact that we have no active QA team to pick up the mess whenever needed (Diego can't do eveyrything on his ow

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > Seems like none of you ever bothered to read the bug about pngcrush > and what was discussed there. I read the entire discussion before making a single post - it would be irresponsible not to. Now, I can't say that I checked the cvs hist

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/11/11 14:57, Rich Freeman wrote: > 2011/10/11 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn : The previous e-mail was not a direct response to you but I picked it at random so I can reply to @all since I sent the entire thread to /dev/null - -- Regards, Mark

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/11/11 14:57, Rich Freeman wrote: > Finally, when you are taking action in some role (QA, whatever), > make a note of it so that people know in what capacity you are > acting and what project head to escalate to. If you can't say that > "I'm do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/11/2011 08:38 AM, Peter Volkov wrote: > В Вск, 09/10/2011 в 22:28 +, Duncan пишет: >> Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:37:59 +0200 as >> excerpted: >> >>> Duncan schrieb: Libpng isn't held up that way, while the package still gets its 30 day masking las

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/11/2011 07:28 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:10:01 +0300 > Samuli Suominen wrote: >> so no, you don't get to use this as anykind of weapon against me or >> anyone else involved. > > I thought the idea was to fix the problem in whatever way best serves > the needs of Gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:10:01 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > so no, you don't get to use this as anykind of weapon against me or > anyone else involved. I thought the idea was to fix the problem in whatever way best serves the needs of Gentoo's users, not to engage in warfare. What's all this talk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/11/2011 07:10 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 10/11/2011 08:38 AM, Peter Volkov wrote: >> В Вск, 09/10/2011 в 22:28 +, Duncan пишет: >>> Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:37:59 +0200 as >>> excerpted: >>> Duncan schrieb: > Libpng isn't held up that way, w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/11/2011 08:38 AM, Peter Volkov wrote: > В Вск, 09/10/2011 в 22:28 +, Duncan пишет: >> Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:37:59 +0200 as >> excerpted: >> >>> Duncan schrieb: Libpng isn't held up that way, while the package still gets its 30 day masking las

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Rich Freeman
2011/10/11 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn : > There was no indication 9 months ago that this bug is so bad that the > package would be removed if not fixed. Masking the package is ok if it > is totally broken or violates policy. Removal when the maintainer is > explicitly against it is not ok. Agree

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Markos Chandras schrieb: >> 3) Maintainers (and upstreams) are not always responsive. The bug >> was opened in February and wasn't really worked on until recently. > It is a bit of surprise all this talking for a bug that went > unattended for 9 months isn't it? O:) It is like people want open bugs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Ryan Hill schrieb: > On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:33:15 +0300 > Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> It's not like fastened lastriting hasn't happened before. I question >> your motives in picking this particular one. It's not like I expected >> cookies for the time I've put into this porting effort, but not thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Peter Volkov
В Втр, 11/10/2011 в 08:09 +0100, Markos Chandras пишет: > Isn't this the same situation with gcc stabilizations? No. As was pointed many times, there was (and still is) no clear stabilization path announced. But there is some work behind scene and pressing dates with absolutely no need. If you wan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/11/11 05:36, Alec Warner wrote: > > 3) Maintainers (and upstreams) are not always responsive. The bug > was opened in February and wasn't really worked on until recently. > It is a bit of surprise all this talking for a bug that went unattend

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-11 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/11/11 04:00, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:33:15 +0300 Samuli Suominen > wrote: > >> It's not like fastened lastriting hasn't happened before. I >> question your motives in picking this particular one. It's not >> like I expected

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-10 Thread Peter Volkov
В Вск, 09/10/2011 в 22:28 +, Duncan пишет: > Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:37:59 +0200 as > excerpted: > > > Duncan schrieb: > >> Libpng isn't held up that way, while the package still gets its 30 day > >> masking last-rites. No policy broken; no maintainer toes s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:33:15 +0300 > Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> It's not like fastened lastriting hasn't happened before. I question >> your motives in picking this particular one. It's not like I expected >> cookies for the time I've put into

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: media-gfx/pngcrush

2011-10-09 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Duncan schrieb: > Libpng isn't held up that way, while the package still gets its 30 day > masking last-rites. No policy broken; no maintainer toes stepped on as a > result of the broken policy. No more nasty threads about (this) broken > policy and unhappy maintainers as a result! =:^) Actua