On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Mark Loeser wrote:
> I am not sure how we would be able to enforce this across the board
> for forcefully retired developers.
If we are talking policies, can someone please define the
term 'forecefully retired'? What about people whom had been complained
about to devre
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Tobias Scherbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Mark Loeser wrote:
> > I personally don't see why they should be allowed to stay part of our
> > communication channels where they have caused problems bad enough to get
> > them retired. With that being said, I think t
Mark Loeser wrote:
> Lukasz Damentko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > 1. I'd like to ask Council to discuss possible reactions to our [...]
> Due to their privacy policy I don't think we'll ever be able to get
> adequate explanations from Freenode staff when our devs are banned.
I think that's a lim
Mark Loeser wrote:
> I personally don't see why they should be allowed to stay part of our
> communication channels where they have caused problems bad enough to get
> them retired. With that being said, I think the same technical issues
> come into play here as with banning someone from "Gentoo"
Ben de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 2) Continued presence of forcefully retired devs
> It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for
> anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the places
> where they display this behavior, such as our MLs and IRC channe
Lukasz Damentko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Fair enough. Let me wrap up the IRC part.
>
> 1. I'd like to ask Council to discuss possible reactions to our
> developer being banned from Freenode without providing us with a
> reason. The situation looks like one of Freenode staffers overreacted
> ove
David Leverton wrote:
> 2008/8/14 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Why aren't fired developers banned from the channels where they
>>> displayed this behavior?
>
> Isn't this one effectively withdrawn? I asked yngwin which devs he
> was referring to, and he said there weren't any, so is t
2008/8/14 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Why aren't fired developers banned from the channels where they
>> displayed this behavior?
Isn't this one effectively withdrawn? I asked yngwin which devs he
was referring to, and he said there weren't any, so is there anything
left to discuss?
On 03:01 Thu 14 Aug , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Here's a rough agenda. I'll hash it out a bit more a few hours in
> advance of the meeting. Basically, council members haven't responded to
> these items on the mailing list, and that's what needs to happen.
For all of the items below, here's wh
On 03:01 Thu 14 Aug , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 23:17 Thu 31 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd/4th
> > Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> > irc.freenode.net) !
> >
> > If you have someth
On 23:17 Thu 31 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd/4th
> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
>
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
> on, le
On 14:12 Fri 01 Aug , Ferris McCormick wrote:
> Required ethical disclaimer: I provide this only for information. It
> is not a legal opinion, nor am I qualified to give a legal opinion on
> international privacy laws. I will go so far as to say that the
> Freenode privacy statement looks as
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:06 AM, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
>>> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
>
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Chrissy Fullam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It could be a good precedent without being policy, or dependent upon the
> reason for being forcibly removed perhaps. It is quite possible for someone
> to find another way to contribute without having developer status, a
> 2) Continued presence of forcefully retired devs It really baffles me that
> some developers are forcefully retired for anti-social behavior, but are
> not consequently banned from the places where they display this behavior,
> such as our MLs and IRC channels. What good is it to retire developer
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> Somehow I read the sentence differently: it seems pointless to ban
> competent people for so-called anti-social behavior from easily
> pushing technical contributions and still let them contribute to other
> communication medias where such an anti-social behavior is much mor
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:55:02 +0100
David Leverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 20:45:33 Ben de Groot wrote:
> > It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for
> > anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the
> > places where they dis
On Tuesday 05 August 2008 20:45:33 Ben de Groot wrote:
> It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for
> anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the places
> where they display this behavior, such as our MLs and IRC channels.
I'm not aware of any ex-develo
Lukasz Damentko wrote:
> Fair enough. Let me wrap up the IRC part.
>
> 1. I'd like to ask Council to discuss possible reactions to our
> developer being banned from Freenode without providing us with a
> reason. The situation looks like one of Freenode staffers overreacted
> over something Chris s
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> I'm a maintainer and I'll say right out that I won't fix things
> > >> unless they make sense to me; regardless of what some council says.
> > >
> > > Then I'd imagine devrel would have to step in.
> >
> > I highly doubt
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:37:36 +0530
"Nirbheek Chauhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:50:51 -0700
> > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I'm a maintainer and I'll say right out that I won
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:50:51 -0700
> "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm a maintainer and I'll say right out that I won't fix things unless
>> they make sense to me; regardless of what some council says.
>
> Th
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:50:51 -0700
"Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a maintainer and I'll say right out that I won't fix things unless
> they make sense to me; regardless of what some council says.
Then I'd imagine devrel would have to step in.
--
Ciaran McCreesh
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:16:25 -0700
> "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> So assuming the council says we should fix all these issues (and in
>> most cases I would support that assertion)
>> who would fix them? The
On Tuesday 05 August 2008 16:16:25 Alec Warner wrote:
> That being said you are free to chat to Zac about the changes
We've already spoken to him about the changes several times, and it's quite
clear that he either can't or won't understand why it's bad to make
incompatible changes without think
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:16:25 -0700
"Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So assuming the council says we should fix all these issues (and in
> most cases I would support that assertion)
> who would fix them? The maintainer is obviously hostile and I doubt
> the council is going to *force* them
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:06:11 -0700
> "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Bennett
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I would like to put forward the following suggestion for t
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:06:11 -0700
"Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Bennett
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would like to put forward the following suggestion for the
> > Council's consideration:
> >
> > "While the current state of PMS is not per
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
>> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
>> list to see.
>
> I would like to put forward the following suggestion for
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
> list to see.
I would like to put forward the following suggestion for the Council's
consideration:
"While the current state of PMS is not perfect, it
Hi,
For clarity, I am tomaw, a member of freenode staff. For even more
clarity, I am a member of OFTC staff, although that's not relevant to
this posting. I have spent many hours discussing this issue with
Chrissy and others and feel some points require clarification.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:39:4
On Friday 01 August 2008, Chrissy Fullam wrote:
> > Debian did exactly the same a couple of months
> > ago prior to them moving out to OFTC
> > (http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604)
>
> This addresses a question I raised a few days back regarding whether
> we were concerned that Gentoo moving
On 23:17 Thu 31 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd/4th
> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
Jokey pointed out that in fact the council meeting is August 14.
--
Thanks,
Donni
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:48:21 +0200
"Lukasz Damentko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2. I want Council to consider moving their meetings somewhere where
> third parties can't control who in Gentoo can attend and who can't.
So that would be "not on the Internet" then, I take it?
--
Ciaran McCreesh
> Fair enough. Let me wrap up the IRC part.
>
> 1. I'd like to ask Council to discuss possible reactions to our
> developer being banned from Freenode without providing us with a
> reason. The situation looks like one of Freenode staffers overreacted
> over something Chris said during previous Cou
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 12:48 +0200, Lukasz Damentko wrote:
> 2008/8/1 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On 23:17 Thu 31 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> >> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
> >> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 23:17 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd/4th
> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
>
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
2008/8/1 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 23:17 Thu 31 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
>> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
>> list to see.
>
> I know at least one person has alre
On 23:17 Thu 31 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
> list to see.
I know at least one person has already submitted an agenda item. Please
do so again here
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