On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:10:50AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> I actually have an original IBM Model M. Manufacture date of July 22nd,
> 1987. And I use Windows on a regular basis. Yet, I get by without the
> windows key quite well. About the only two shortcuts I ever used were WIN+E
> and WI
On 03/14/2012 17:13, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 08:07:07AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote
>
>> Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite
>> the oddity. I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less
>> complex and less likely to fail on me in a time of ne
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 08:07:07AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote
> Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite
> the oddity. I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less
> complex and less likely to fail on me in a time of need.
Unicomp has licenced manufacturing rights
Joshua Kinard posted on Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:07:07 -0400 as excerpted:
> Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite the
> oddity.
> I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less complex and less
> likely to fail on me in a time of need.
>
> Or, put more comically:
> http
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote:
>
> My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my kernel to
> get my system into a minimally-usable state. I've been running separate
> /usr setups for 10+ years, and only now, such a setup breaks, hence my beef
> with Fed
On 03/14/2012 04:03, Duncan wrote:
>
> Bluez is a critical system service if that's your keyboard and you need
> to do init-diagnostics. Dbus isn't... yet... but it's likely to be, for
> some people at least, within a couple years, as systemd's going to be
> using it, and other init services
Joshua Kinard posted on Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:13:53 -0400 as excerpted:
> On 03/13/2012 01:11, Luca Barbato wrote:
>
>> Our current init system doesn't have any problem with /usr being
>> mounted later, but udev might have issues.
>>
>> Same could be said about bluez and dbus.
>
> bluez and dbus
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:29:31PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> make menuconfig, make [, make modules[_install]], then
> update the bootloader, is how I've done kernels for the longest time. This
> new approach makes the above command sequence invalid if under a separate
> /usr.
And why does the
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:29, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> make menuconfig, make [, make modules[_install]], then
> update the bootloader, is how I've done kernels for the longest time. This
> new approach makes the above command sequence invalid if under a separate
> /usr.
If your /usr doesn't requ
On Tue, 2012-03-13 at 20:29 -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> On 03/13/2012 05:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> >
> > And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
> > simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.
>
>
> My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my
On 03/13/2012 05:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
> simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.
My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my kernel to
get my system into a minimally-usable state. I've been runnin
On 03/13/2012 01:11, Luca Barbato wrote:
>
> Our current init system doesn't have any problem with /usr being mounted
> later, but udev might have issues.
>
> Same could be said about bluez and dbus.
bluez and dbus aren't system-critical services, however. udev kinda is,
along with key filesy
On 12.3.2012 1.15, William Hubbs wrote:
>>
>> How do you plan to handle notifying stable users if you go with
> I was thinking of another news item once we are ready to go stable.
>
> What do you think?
>
> William
>
We could reuse the same news item if we now release it as >= and then
releas
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:43:06AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> Question... does it have to be an initramfs, or can the vast majority
> of simple cases be handled by a simple initscript in /bin or /sbin that
> mounts /usr, and does whatever else is required, before handing off
> control to /sbin/i
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
>
>> Perhaps a suggestion for the news item. I'd recommend that anybody
>> who needs an initramfs to mount /usr get that working BEFORE they
>> upgrade udev. This situation is a hec
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
> Perhaps a suggestion for the news item. I'd recommend that anybody
> who needs an initramfs to mount /usr get that working BEFORE they
> upgrade udev. This situation is a heck of a lot easier to figure out
> if the system still can b
On 3/11/12 10:33 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about
I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use
and/or tr
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:08:47 +
"Robin H. Johnson" wrote:
> The quickest initramfs, assuming that ALL kernel modules you need to
> boot are already compiled into your kernel:
> genkernel --install --no-ramdisk-modules initramfs
>
> Plus optionally, If you know you don't need any of these, inc
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 +
Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
> > We should really have some documentation on how to create a minimal
> > initramfs
> > that mounts /usr (if we don't already, I haven't looked). I've never needed
> > one unt
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:09:39PM +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> > The quickest initramfs, assuming that ALL kernel modules you need to
> > boot are already compiled into your kernel:
> > genkernel --install --no-ramdisk-modules initramfs
> But this will not mount /usr. At least it did not for m
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:01:21PM +0100, Matthias Hanft wrote:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
> >
> > I think that makes the most sense. That news item can include links
> > to the documentation that gets written over the next few months.
>
> In the German (not Gentoo-specific) newsgroup de.comp.os.unix.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
> We should really have some documentation on how to create a minimal initramfs
> that mounts /usr (if we don't already, I haven't looked). I've never needed
> one until now and don't have the foggiest idea how it's done. I can't be the
>
Rich Freeman wrote:
I think that makes the most sense. That news item can include links
to the documentation that gets written over the next few months.
In the German (not Gentoo-specific) newsgroup de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc,
someone mentioned that he upgraded to udev-180 and lost the device
On Sunday 11 March 2012 21:08:47 Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:27:06 -0600
> >
> > William Hubbs wrote:
> > > An initramfs which does this is created by >=sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25
> > > or
> > >
> > > >=sys-kern
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:15 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
>
> I was thinking of another news item once we are ready to go stable.
>
> What do you think?
>
I think that makes the most sense. That news item can include links
to the documentation that gets written over the next few months.
Rich
Robin H. Johnson posted on Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:14:46 + as excerpted:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:03:50PM +, Duncan wrote:
>> Meanwhile, also note that there's PARTLABEL, PARTUUID and ID, that the
>> mount manpage promises to honor. I've not used these myself, but there
>> was a thread on
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
> On 11.3.2012 23.43, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:28:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
> >> On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
> >>> On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
> The Display-If-Installed ato
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:03:50PM +, Duncan wrote:
> Meanwhile, also note that there's PARTLABEL, PARTUUID and ID, that the
> mount manpage promises to honor. I've not used these myself, but there
> was a thread on the btrfs list discussing GPT format and users of its
> partition-labels (a
William Hubbs posted on Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:26:57 -0500 as excerpted:
> Here is the latest version of the news item; this gives a few days
> notification before the unmasking.
Thanks.
--
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and if you u
Robin H. Johnson posted on Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:08:47 + as excerpted:
> The quickest initramfs, assuming that ALL kernel modules you need to
> boot are already compiled into your kernel:
> genkernel --install --no-ramdisk-modules initramfs
>
> Plus optionally, If you know you don't need any of
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
> >
> > If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree ?on 3/14 UTC.
>
> I guess this might be OK for unstable, but before this
On 11.3.2012 23.43, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:28:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
>> On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
>>> On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
it's committed. I am not
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:28:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
> On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
> > On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
> >> The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
> >> it's committed. I am not sure at what point does Portage show it whe
On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
>> The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
>> it's committed. I am not sure at what point does Portage show it when
>> the atom is >= so we might want to evaluate the options.
>
> It
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:27:06 -0600
> William Hubbs wrote:
>
> > An initramfs which does this is created by >=sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25 or
> > >=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
> > sure any initram
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:35:36 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 03/11/2012 07:33 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Luca Barbato wrote:
> >> On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >>> neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions
> >>> abou
On 03/11/2012 07:33 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about
I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use
and/or
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about
>
> I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use
> and/or try to figure out which are the item
On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
> The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
> it's committed. I am not sure at what point does Portage show it when
> the atom is >= so we might want to evaluate the options.
It's displayed after the package is installed, be
On 11.03.2012 04:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
>> here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
>>
>> If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
>
> I guess this might be OK for unstable, but before this goes stable we
> really
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:27:06 -0600
William Hubbs wrote:
> An initramfs which does this is created by >=sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25 or
> >=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
> sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr.
We should really have some documentatio
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:53:25 -0500 as excerpted:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs
> wrote:
>> here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
>>
>> If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
>
> I guess this might be OK for unstable, but befo
On 3/10/12 7:50 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Well, I'm trying not to take sides in that war. Unless we want to
patch the living daylights out of upsteam it seems almost moot.
It is not a matter about siding. If our boot process requires glib or
dbus we are sore idiots if we aren't either of them a
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Luca Barbato wrote:
> I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use and/or
> try to figure out which are the items that should be moved to / and fix the
> remaining ones...
>
Well, I'm trying not to take sides in that war. Unless we want t
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
>> here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
>>
>> If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
>
> I guess this might be OK for unstable, but before this goes stable we
> really need to improve the
On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about
I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use
and/or try to figure out which are the items that should be moved to /
and fix the remaining ones...
lu
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
>
> If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
I guess this might be OK for unstable, but before this goes stable we
really need to improve the docs around this. As far as I
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