[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-26 Thread Duncan
George Prowse posted on Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:53:31 + as excerpted: > On 26/03/2010 17:43, Dale wrote: >> It's not faith, its reality. There will be some people that don't >> subscribe to this list that will do what is above. This IS the reason I >> subscribed to this list. I wanted to know what

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:03:34 -0500 as excerpted: > If users do not want python-3 on > their systems, that is what /etc/portage/package.mask is for. I think pretty much everyone agrees with that. What we're debating is whether the stabling news item should specifically menti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-23 20:57:33 Jonathan Callen napisał(a): > On 03/23/2010 03:13 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. > > > > A couple grammar issues: > > -modules, which support both Python 2 and Python 3, are installed for both >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-23 Thread Jonathan Callen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/23/2010 03:13 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. > A couple grammar issues: - -modules, which support both Python 2 and Python 3, are installed for both - -active ver

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-12 Thread Ravi Pinjala
On 03/10/10 11:36, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: 2010-03-08 22:28:16 William Hubbs napisał(a): On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 04:19:36PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: No, it won't. To prove it, I've just tested with a stable stage3 containing portage-2.1.7.x. Here are the steps: 1) extract st

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Jacob Godserv wrote: > The problem here, I think, is everyone has their opinion about what it > means for something to go stable, and I haven't seen more than one or > two references to what has been predetermined as policy for > stabilization. I think we should do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread Jacob Godserv
The problem here, I think, is everyone has their opinion about what it means for something to go stable, and I haven't seen more than one or two references to what has been predetermined as policy for stabilization. I think we should do a little less debating over personal opinions (which is a "hot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 02:24:46AM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 11 March 2010 01:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > ??If someone has a package that truly works with either python 2 or 3, > > ??what is the harm in automatically pulling in python 3 and installing > > ??the package for both python 2 and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 March 2010 01:25, William Hubbs wrote: >  If someone has a package that truly works with either python 2 or 3, >  what is the harm in automatically pulling in python 3 and installing >  the package for both python 2 and 3? > >  As long as pulling in python-3 doesn't change the system's defau

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:43:04PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 10 March 2010 18:36, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: > > Almost everybody has at least 1 package installed which supports both > > Python 2 > > and Python 3 and depends on dev-lang/python without version specification

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 March 2010 18:36, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > Almost everybody has at least 1 package installed which supports both Python 2 > and Python 3 and depends on dev-lang/python without version specification, > so Python 3 would be pulled into dependency graph, The problem is that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-08 22:28:16 William Hubbs napisał(a): > On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 04:19:36PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: > > No, it won't. To prove it, I've just tested with a stable stage3 > > containing portage-2.1.7.x. Here are the steps: > > > > 1) extract stable stage3 and chroot into it > > 2) mkdir /etc

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis : > All problems, which were blocking stabilization of Python 3, have > been fixed. Stabilization of Python 3.1.2 is currently scheduled on > 2010-04-19. I'm attaching the news item for Python 3.1. Will add my comments for the whole thread here: As far

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-08 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 04:19:36PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: > No, it won't. To prove it, I've just tested with a stable stage3 > containing portage-2.1.7.x. Here are the steps: > > 1) extract stable stage3 and chroot into it > 2) mkdir /etc/portage && echo "dev-lang/python ~*" >> > /etc/portage/pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-08 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Matti Bickel dixit (2010-03-08, 10:39): > >> A stable user who doesn't want python 3 installed shouldn't have it > >> forced on them. If something is pulling in python-3 then that > >> package needs to have its dependencies fixed. IIRC Portage isn't > >> greedy wrt. SLOTs like it was before (unl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-08 Thread Matti Bickel
Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 09:08:14PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: >> A stable user who doesn't want python 3 installed shouldn't have it >> forced on them. If something is pulling in python-3 then that >> package needs to have its dependencies fixed. IIRC Portage isn't >>

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-07 Thread Duncan
Petteri Räty posted on Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:25:07 +0200 as excerpted: > n my opinion python-3 should go stable when there's enough ebuilds > needing it as a dependency. It doesn't need to nowhere near 90% of > python packages in the tree. Indeed. Given that it's slotted and (barring bugs) won't i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-07 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 09:08:14PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:11:47 -0500 > Mark Loeser wrote: > > > > Has QA given their blessing to this? > > > > Absolutely not. Its actually the opposite. Until 90+% of the tree just > > works with the new version of python, it should no

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-07 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:11:47 -0500 Mark Loeser wrote: > > Has QA given their blessing to this? > > Absolutely not. Its actually the opposite. Until 90+% of the tree just > works with the new version of python, it should not be stabilized. The > stable tree should all Just Work together. Stabi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-05 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/05/2010 11:26 AM, Duncan wrote: > Zac Medico posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:24:29 -0800 as excerpted: > >> On 03/05/2010 03:09 AM, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: >>> Now on more serious note, ideally python could be treated just like any >>> other non-leaf package (in dependency tree), just like lib

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-05 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:37:28 +0100 Ben de Groot wrote: > On 5 March 2010 12:24, Zac Medico wrote: > > It won't be pulled in by sys-apps/portage dependencies which look > > like this: > > > >  || ( dev-lang/python:2.8 dev-lang/python:2.7 dev-lang/python:2.6 > >>=dev-lang/python-3 ) > > > > If you

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-05 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:24:29 -0800 as excerpted: > On 03/05/2010 03:09 AM, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: >> Now on more serious note, ideally python could be treated just like any >> other non-leaf package (in dependency tree), just like library. In such >> case it's completely reasona

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-05 Thread Duncan
Ben de Groot posted on Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:56:46 +0100 as excerpted: > Personally I am recommending people to locally mask python-3*. I think > we should consider to add it to our package.mask, unless we can find > some other solution. > > I am not against it being marked stable, but I am against