Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-15 Thread A. Wilcox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/12/16 17:03, Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:49:15 + "Robin H. Johnson" > wrote: >> 1. ebuilds: Add eclass to export all variables from >> /etc/os-release with a prefix: OS_RELEASE_ID OS_RELEASE_NAME >> OS_RELEASE_PRETTY_NAME

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-15 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > 3. The distro branding package (v1) (providers of virtual/os-branding): >- MUST have NO build dependencies that require execution (this could > be the very first package in a bootstrap). >- MUST install /etc/os-release >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-15 Thread Michał Górny
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:49:15 + "Robin H. Johnson" wrote: > I do really agree that how we offer branding should be covered in a > GLEP, and be very easy for downstream offshoots of Gentoo to follow. > This would prevent future concerns like the Ubuntu branding / modified > VM spats. > > [snip

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-15 Thread A. Wilcox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/12/16 15:49, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > I do really agree that how we offer branding should be covered in > a GLEP, and be very easy for downstream offshoots of Gentoo to > follow. This would prevent future concerns like the Ubuntu branding > /

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-15 Thread Robin H. Johnson
I do really agree that how we offer branding should be covered in a GLEP, and be very easy for downstream offshoots of Gentoo to follow. This would prevent future concerns like the Ubuntu branding / modified VM spats. [snip awilfox's superb proposal; I agree with all of the reasons and outcomes, b

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-09 Thread A. Wilcox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/12/16 21:28, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Maybe a GLEP with the contents of your first mail? If there's > consensus for the premise and the implementation, it's easy to add > the variables. Then it's only a matter of updating ebuilds. I've tweake

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-05 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 12/05/2016 03:49 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > Here is a separate thought. Would it make sense in any way to try to > have a more established way to communicate with our downstream distros > about stuff like this, like a gentoo-derivatives mailing list or such? > I wouldn't restrict access or anyt

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:24 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: > > The original intention wasn't to guess, but I see how PMS is more for > things that are determined at run-time by the package manager rather > than static variables. > To be clear, PMS is more about package manager behavior, and what you're de

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:13:23 -0600 "A. Wilcox" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 04/12/16 20:58, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM, A. Wilcox > > wrote: > >> Roadmap - --- > >> > >> Since the shell environment is flexible, this change c

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016, A Wilcox wrote: > Roadmap > - --- > Since the shell environment is flexible, this change can be > implemented almost immediately; the defaults specified in the Gentoo > base profile ensure that at worst nothing will immediately change. > As forks, derivatives, and ot

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread A. Wilcox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/12/16 21:21, Daniel Campbell wrote: > How would we ensure (or encourage) that other distros based on > Gentoo would follow this practice? Adding things to PMS isn't a > panacea, sure, but from what I can tell it seems the goal here is > to allo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/04/2016 10:13 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: > > If there are no other objections to this proposal, would a PR that > implements this against the Gentoo tree be the best way forward? If > so, I can start work on that now while giving more people the chance > to read over it. (Would it be more desira

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 12/04/2016 07:20 PM, Sam Jorna wrote: > On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 09:13:23PM -0600, A. Wilcox wrote: >> to read over it. (Would it be more desirable to have all changes in a >> single large commit, or one commit per package?) > > I'd think this is one of those cases best suited to a branch and m

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 12/04/2016 06:58 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: >> Roadmap >> - --- >> >> Since the shell environment is flexible, this change can be >> implemented almost immediately; the defaults specified in the Gentoo >> base profile ensure that at worst noth

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Sam Jorna
On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 09:13:23PM -0600, A. Wilcox wrote: > to read over it. (Would it be more desirable to have all changes in a > single large commit, or one commit per package?) I'd think this is one of those cases best suited to a branch and merge commit - best of both worlds. But that's j

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread A. Wilcox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/12/16 20:58, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM, A. Wilcox > wrote: >> Roadmap - --- >> >> Since the shell environment is flexible, this change can be >> implemented almost immediately; the defaults specified in the >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: > Roadmap > - --- > > Since the shell environment is flexible, this change can be > implemented almost immediately; the defaults specified in the Gentoo > base profile ensure that at worst nothing will immediately change. As > forks, derivative

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread Brian Dolbec
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 17:31:30 -0600 "A. Wilcox" wrote: > === > Proposal for addition of distribution variables > === > > :Author: > A. Wilcox (Adélie Linux) >

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Proposal for addition of distribution variables

2016-12-04 Thread A. Wilcox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 === Proposal for addition of distribution variables === :Author: A. Wilcox (Adélie Linux) :Date: 2016-12-04 :Status: Request for Comment Introduction -