[gentoo-dev] Re: [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Marien Zwart
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > We've been working with yac for a while to get the old twisted.eclass > converted to be compliant with distutils-r1 both in design > and in spirit. This is the first version we'd like to submit for review. Thanks for doing this. If memory serv

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 09:03:06PM -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 01:49:46AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:38 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> > Actually the plan is to generalize it so that i

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-03 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sat, 2013-08-03 at 21:03 -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 01:49:46AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:38 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> OK... so gentoo-networking? or just come up with own na

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-03 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 01:49:46AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:38 AM, William Hubbs wrote: >> > Actually the plan is to generalize it so that it works with other init >> > systems. Right now it is very tightly integ

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: Kernel Team vanilla-sources policy

2013-08-03 Thread Alex Xu
Minor grammar/typographical errata: On 04/08/13 12:53 AM, Mike Pagano wrote: > The Gentoo Kernel Team will no longer be providing stable vanilla-sources > kernels. All currently stabilized vanilla-sources versions will be dropped > to ~arch. The Arch teams, via normal requests of the Kernel Team,

[gentoo-dev] newsitem: Kernel Team vanilla-sources policy

2013-08-03 Thread Mike Pagano
All, Here is the vanilla-sources non stablizing policy news item. If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 08/07 UTC. Mike Title: vanilla-sources stabilization policy Author: Mike Pagano Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2013-08-07 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-In

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 01:49:46AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:38 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > > Actually the plan is to generalize it so that it works with other init > > systems. Right now it is very tightly integrated with OpenRc, but there > > is interest in changing th

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-03 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:38 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm splitting the thread because this is a separate subject. > > On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 12:59:56AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> I do understand why Roy refer this as oldnet... but why in Gentoo do >> we keep the term old? The fun

[gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
Hi all, I'm splitting the thread because this is a separate subject. On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 12:59:56AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > I do understand why Roy refer this as oldnet... but why in Gentoo do > we keep the term old? The functionality of these script is huge, and > is better than most di

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:13:03 Michał Górny napisał(a): > We've been working with yac for a while to get the old twisted.eclass > converted to be compliant with distutils-r1 both in design > and in spirit. This is the first version we'd like to submit for review. One more bit of optimization.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:57:20 -0500 as excerpted: > On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: >> Running the ~arch release version, OTOH, doesn't appear to >> significantly reduce the incidence of bugs compared to live-git, but >> there's a much bigger pile of cha

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Duncan
Sven Vermeulen posted on Sat, 03 Aug 2013 18:51:02 + as excerpted: > On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: >> I run openrc- because I guess my configuration's unusual enough to >> trigger bugs once in awhile, and from experience once I do, it's a lot >> easier to track 'e

Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenRc-0.12 and gentoo-oldnet-0.1 keywording question

2013-08-03 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 12:44 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > one thing that is going to be different about OpenRc-0.12 is the oldnet > scripts (net.* and /lib*/rc/net/*) are going to be split out into their > own package, gentoo-oldnet-0.1. This will be brought in by a pdepend > initially to m

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:13:03 Michał Górny napisał(a): > We've been working with yac for a while to get the old twisted.eclass > converted to be compliant with distutils-r1 both in design > and in spirit. This is the first version we'd like to submit for review. Second version, with much mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenRc-0.12 and gentoo-oldnet-0.1 keywording question

2013-08-03 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sat, 2013-08-03 at 16:44 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > one thing that is going to be different about OpenRc-0.12 is the oldnet > scripts (net.* and /lib*/rc/net/*) are going to be split out into their > own package, gentoo-oldnet-0.1. This will be brought in by a pdepend > initially to

[gentoo-dev] OpenRc-0.12 and gentoo-oldnet-0.1 keywording question

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
All, one thing that is going to be different about OpenRc-0.12 is the oldnet scripts (net.* and /lib*/rc/net/*) are going to be split out into their own package, gentoo-oldnet-0.1. This will be brought in by a pdepend initially to make sure everyone who doesn't have newnet gets the package. Since

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > Ok all, I would like to appologise for the harsh wording. Your wording wasn't harsh - it just wasn't ideal. If only imperfect marketing was our worst problem around here... Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 15:37:54 Alex Xu napisał(a): > On 03/08/13 02:29 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:54:42 > > Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > > >>> On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Michał Górny wrote: > >> > >>> 2. The eclass comes with a pure bash-3.2 CamelCase converter fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Alex Xu
On 03/08/13 03:37 PM, Alex Xu wrote: > On 03/08/13 02:29 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:54:42 >> Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): >> On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Michał Górny wrote: >>> 2. The eclass comes with a pure bash-3.2 CamelCase converter for changing PNs like '

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 21:37:10 Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Michał Górny wrote: > > > Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:54:42 Ulrich Mueller > > napisał(a): > > >> This looks just horrible. You do decimal arithmetic on octal > >> numbers? > > > Yes. Bash wasn't really h

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Alex Xu
On 03/08/13 02:29 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:54:42 > Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > >>> On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Michał Górny wrote: >> >>> 2. The eclass comes with a pure bash-3.2 CamelCase converter for >>> changing PNs like 'twisted-foo' into 'TwistedFoo'. The relevant

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:54:42 Ulrich Mueller > napisał(a): >> This looks just horrible. You do decimal arithmetic on octal >> numbers? > Yes. Bash wasn't really happy to do octal arithmetic for me. Yet in > this particular case, with proper as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: > I run openrc- because I guess my configuration's unusual enough to > trigger bugs once in awhile, and from experience once I do, it's a lot > easier to track 'em down if I've only a couple commits to check since my > last update. Plu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-03, o godz. 17:54:42 Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 2. The eclass comes with a pure bash-3.2 CamelCase converter for > > changing PNs like 'twisted-foo' into 'TwistedFoo'. The relevant code > > can be moved to eutils as portable repl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: > Running the ~arch release version, OTOH, doesn't appear to significantly > reduce the incidence of bugs compared to live-git, but there's a much > bigger pile of changes in a release, and far less information about what > they actually ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:28:59 -0500 as excerpted: > Markos, to answer your question, there are folks on the team, and at > least one user, using OpenRc from git without issues, so as far as I > know there shouldn't be any breakage. The other day in the process of filing a ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2013.08.03 16:28, William Hubbs wrote: [snip] > > Ok all, I would like to appologise for the harsh wording. > > Markos, to answer your question, there are folks on the team, and at > least one user, using OpenRc from git without issues, so as far as I > know there shouldn't be any breakage. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Michał Górny wrote: > 2. The eclass comes with a pure bash-3.2 CamelCase converter for > changing PNs like 'twisted-foo' into 'TwistedFoo'. The relevant code > can be moved to eutils as portable replacements for bash-4 ${foo^} > and friends. > # obtain octa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 01:03:58PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: > > > > On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > > > > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the porta

[gentoo-dev] [New eclass] twisted-r1.eclass

2013-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, We've been working with yac for a while to get the old twisted.eclass converted to be compliant with distutils-r1 both in design and in spirit. This is the first version we'd like to submit for review. A few notes: 1. The eclass aims to be less conditional than the old one. Especially we'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flag: git

2013-08-03 Thread hasufell
On 08/03/2013 12:38 AM, Michael Weber wrote: > Hello, > > we have "subversion" and "cvs" ad global flags, but not "git" (or > hg|mercurial). I'm about to add the 14th [1] package using this flag. > > I propose a description > "git - Enable git (version control system) support" > in use.desc. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flag: git

2013-08-03 Thread Sergey Popov
03.08.2013 02:38, Michael Weber пишет: > Hello, > > we have "subversion" and "cvs" ad global flags, but not "git" (or > hg|mercurial). I'm about to add the 14th [1] package using this flag. > > I propose a description > "git - Enable git (version control system) support" > in use.desc. Heh, i th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/08/2013 13:43, Rich Freeman wrote: [snip] > I think the only real issue is the wording here. [snip] Agreed. Reading William's post, he's really just expressed in his own words what ~arch is all about: we accept the possibility of breakage. Everything after the first two sentences is red

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dropping static libs support from cryptsetup and lvm2

2013-08-03 Thread Duncan
Mike Gilbert posted on Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:32:10 -0400 as excerpted: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> Steven J. Long posted... >>> you only really need an initramfs if [...] >> >> Or, unfortunately, for root on mult-device btrfs, since the usual >> kernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: >> On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: >> > I do not know of any breakage personally. It does work on my system, and >> > I know of others who are using OpenRc from git successful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Douglas Freed
On Aug 3, 2013 6:04 AM, "Markos Chandras" wrote: > > On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: > > > > On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > > > > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the portage tree in th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Markos Chandras
On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: > > On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > > All, > > > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the portage tree in the next few days. > > > > If you are using ~arch OpenRc, the standard

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the portage tree in the next few days. > > If you are using ~arch OpenRc, the standard disclaimer applies: remember > that you might be subject to break