Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 06:52:11 -0700 Brian Harring wrote: > Keeping it short and quick, a basic glep has been written for what I'm > proposing for DEPENDENCIES enhancement. > > The live version of the doc is available at > http://dev.gentoo.org/~ferringb/unified-dependencies/extensible_dependenc

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Multiple ABI support through package appending/partial removal

2012-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:12:56 -0700 Brian Harring wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:09:49AM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Since my previous idea of DYNAMIC_SLOTS proved too complex to design > > and implement, I would like to offer an another idea, based partially > > on what

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addressing GLEP-62 itself

2012-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:54:39 -0700 Brian Harring wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:58:07PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:47:33 -0400 > > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > > > Based on the above I do expect the reference implementation would also > > > need to change. I

[gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: net-misc/mediatomb and www-apache/mod_musicindex

2012-09-25 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:17:03 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > # Samuli Suominen (25 Sep 2012) > # Multiple build failures: #435394, #423991 and #425806 > # Other bugs: #270830, #368409 > # Unmasking would require addressing the build failure bugs > # Removal in 30 days > net-misc/mediatomb I use

[gentoo-dev] Re: [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:30:19 +0100 as excerpted: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:20:06 +0200 Michał Górny > wrote: >> Who is we? I believe REQUIRED_USE is one of the features which will be >> available thanks to staying compatible with USE flags instead of >> reinventing the wheel

Re: [gentoo-dev] A more natural (human-friendly) syntax for dependencies

2012-09-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 07:19:09PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:05:41 -0700 > Brian Dolbec wrote: > > > On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 09:55 +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > The current dependency syntax: > > > > > > [VERSION-OP] PACKAGE-NAME ["-" PACKAGE-

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-pms] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-25 Thread Brian Harring
Pardon the delay; got busy with work, plus to actually address your claims re: labels (or refute, as I intend to do)... data was necessary. So I went and got the data. :) Analysis was done roughly 09/17 or so; just looping back and commenting now however. On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 05:59:21PM +

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggest to specify a way to query for USEs in next council

2012-09-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:37:57PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:41:24 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > Hello > > > > This comes from: > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/260536 > > > > In that one, we try to use the following: > > has vala ${IUSE//+/} &

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Multiple ABI support through package appending/partial removal

2012-09-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:09:49AM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > Hello, > > Since my previous idea of DYNAMIC_SLOTS proved too complex to design > and implement, I would like to offer an another idea, based partially > on what Ciaran mentioned. Before I start getting into details, I'd like > to k

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addressing GLEP-62 itself

2012-09-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:58:07PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:47:33 -0400 > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > Based on the above I do expect the reference implementation would also > > need to change. I expect, for instance, that the PM's > > metadata-handling would need t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addressing GLEP-62 itself

2012-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:47:33 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > Based on the above I do expect the reference implementation would also > need to change. I expect, for instance, that the PM's > metadata-handling would need to occur as normal even though none of > the package's phase functions would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addressing GLEP-62 itself

2012-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:03:36 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Since hasufell brought it up, and as I believe he's going to ask Council > to approve it before moving forward with this proposal towards including > it in an EAPI, I wanted to clar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addressing GLEP-62 itself

2012-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/12 02:03 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > Since hasufell brought it up, and as I believe he's going to ask > Council to approve it before moving forward with this proposal > towards including it in an EAPI, I wanted to clarify some of the > poi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Clarify the "as-is" license?

2012-09-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: >> I've created licenses/HPND [1] now, and added it to the @OSI-APPROVED >> group. So packages whose license matches this template can be changed >> from as-is to HPND. (And please, _only_ OSD-compliant packages. >> We don't want the same mess a

[gentoo-dev] Addressing GLEP-62 itself

2012-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Since hasufell brought it up, and as I believe he's going to ask Council to approve it before moving forward with this proposal towards including it in an EAPI, I wanted to clarify some of the points mentioned: - --- Quote, GLEP-62 --- > Specificati

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-fs/openafs: ChangeLog openafs-1.6.1-r1.ebuild

2012-09-25 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:37:48 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2012 07:43:44 Alexis Ballier wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:13:53 + (UTC) > > "Mike Frysinger (vapier)" wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > net-fs/openafs/openafs-1.6.1-r1.ebuild: > > ~amd64-fbsd(default/bsd/fbs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Clarify the "as-is" license?

2012-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > > If "as-is" will be removed from @GPL_COMPATIBLE, what gpl-compatible > license should I use instead for such packages? HPND as long as the license meets the description within the file. If you've been applying the logic you stated

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/12 12:25 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:19:21 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius > wrote: >>> a) How do we provide a good user interface for it? It took an >>> awful lot of experimenting to get the exheres-0 suggestions >>> user in

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-fs/openafs: ChangeLog openafs-1.6.1-r1.ebuild

2012-09-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 25 September 2012 07:43:44 Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:13:53 + (UTC) > "Mike Frysinger (vapier)" wrote: > > [...] > > net-fs/openafs/openafs-1.6.1-r1.ebuild: > ~amd64-fbsd(default/bsd/fbsd/amd64/9.0) ['sys-libs/pam'] > > > please stop breaking the tree, kthxby

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:20:06 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Who is we? I believe REQUIRED_USE is one of the features which will be > available thanks to staying compatible with USE flags instead of > reinventing the wheel. Yes, but the REQUIRED_USE wheel is square, and gives a *very* bumpy ride to u

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:19:21 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > a) How do we provide a good user interface for it? It took an awful > > lot of experimenting to get the exheres-0 suggestions user > > interface to be good, and it requires quite a bit mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:02:39 +0200 hasufell wrote: > > Really? I thought it was pretty clearly. Yes, you need an > > implementation beforehand. > > Maybe you should read: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0001.html > > > "The reference imp

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:00:07 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:43:00 -0300 > Alexis Ballier wrote: > > Could you please elaborate on what kind of problems may arise ? The > > proposal seems pretty simple and sane to me: PM only has to switch the > > useflags that are IUSE_RUN

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/12 12:00 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:43:00 -0300 Alexis Ballier > wrote: >> Could you please elaborate on what kind of problems may arise ? >> The proposal seems pretty simple and sane to me: PM only has to >> switch

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2012 05:57 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > > I guess nothing is preventing them from reviewing it. However, > it's just a waste of time if you're just asking those guys to > review the GLEP, isn't it? > > That's what the GLEP workflow states,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:43:00 -0300 Alexis Ballier wrote: > Could you please elaborate on what kind of problems may arise ? The > proposal seems pretty simple and sane to me: PM only has to switch the > useflags that are IUSE_RUNTIME in his installed packages db after > installing the deps and with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 25-09-2012 17:43:46 +0200, hasufell wrote: > > That doesn't prevent him from talking from past experiences and giving > > his opinion. Council is free to ignore his request also. > > Yeah, I thank him for that, but the time for user opinions has passed. I > am asking what is preventing the _cou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Clarify the "as-is" license?

2012-09-25 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 13:04 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > I'll also remove as-is from @GPL-COMPATIBLE and @OSI-APPROVED again, > as soon as all packages in the system set have been fixed (only > net-misc/openssh and sys-apps/man-pages). It shouldn't have been added > to these groups, in the first

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread hasufell
On 09/25/2012 05:36 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:30:07 +0200 > hasufell wrote: > >> On 09/25/2012 05:25 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: >>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:17:07 +0200 >>> hasufell wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2012 0

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:10:56 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Also, speaking as someone who *has* implemented this kind of thing, I > have extreme doubts as to the viability of the proposal. So I'd be > extremely wary of voting in favour of it until we've been able to have > a play with an implemen

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:30:07 +0200 hasufell wrote: > On 09/25/2012 05:25 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:17:07 +0200 > > hasufell wrote: > > > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> On 09/25/2012 05:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>> On Tue, 25 Sep

[gentoo-dev] last rites: games-roguelike/falconseye

2012-09-25 Thread Michael Sterrett
games-roguelike/falconseye has been masked since 2006 and it's been dead upstream for possibly longer. Probably should have punted it awhile ago, but it's gone now.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Clarify the "as-is" license?

2012-09-25 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 25/09/2012 04:04, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > I've created licenses/HPND [1] now, and added it to the @OSI-APPROVED > group. So packages whose license matches this template can be changed > from as-is to HPND. (And please, _only_ OSD-compliant packages. > We don't want the same mess again, as we hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread hasufell
On 09/25/2012 05:25 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:17:07 +0200 > hasufell wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 09/25/2012 05:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:04:55 +0200 hasufell >>> wrote: Do we need an implementa

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:17:07 +0200 hasufell wrote: > On 09/25/2012 05:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:04:55 +0200 hasufell > > wrote: > >> Do we need an implementation beforehand? Afaik zac said that the > >> implementation

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:17:07 +0200 hasufell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/25/2012 05:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:04:55 +0200 hasufell > > wrote: > >> Do we need an implementation beforehand? Afaik zac said that the > >> implemen

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: net-misc/mediatomb and www-apache/mod_musicindex

2012-09-25 Thread Samuli Suominen
Both would needed an dedicated maintainer to overcome these build failure bugs. Feel free to unmask once fixed and after you have included yourself in the metadata.xml. Just because they are semi-popular does not help if nobody is contributing to them. # Samuli Suominen (25 Sep 2012) # Multip

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2012 05:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:04:55 +0200 hasufell > wrote: >> Do we need an implementation beforehand? Afaik zac said that the >> implementation would not be very complicated, so why not vote on >> this now/

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:04:55 +0200 hasufell wrote: > Do we need an implementation beforehand? Afaik zac said that the > implementation would not be very complicated, so why not vote on this > now/soon? Well we can't really compare it to SDEPEND (whic

Re: [gentoo-dev] [pre-GLEP] Optional runtime dependencies via runtime-switchable USE flags

2012-09-25 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is anything holding this back to be reviewed by the council in the near future? Do we need an implementation beforehand? Afaik zac said that the implementation would not be very complicated, so why not vote on this now/soon? mgorny? -BEGIN PGP SI

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] autotools-multilib: wrapper eclass for multilib builds.

2012-09-25 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:49:13 +0200 Thomas Sachau wrote: > It is not hard by itself to inherit an eclass. There is just the > limitation, that occurs with an eclass, e.g.: > > -the one from mgorny only does it for autotools based ebuilds only and > even there only for libraries, headers and binar

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-fs/openafs: ChangeLog openafs-1.6.1-r1.ebuild

2012-09-25 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:13:53 + (UTC) "Mike Frysinger (vapier)" wrote: [...] net-fs/openafs/openafs-1.6.1-r1.ebuild: ~amd64-fbsd(default/bsd/fbsd/amd64/9.0) ['sys-libs/pam'] please stop breaking the tree, kthxbye

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] autotools-multilib: wrapper eclass for multilib builds.

2012-09-25 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:44:33 -0700 Matt Turner wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Alexis Ballier > wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:10:21 +0200 > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:59:14 -0300 > >> Alexis Ballier wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:51:27 +0200

[gentoo-dev] Re: Clarify the "as-is" license?

2012-09-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
I've created licenses/HPND [1] now, and added it to the @OSI-APPROVED group. So packages whose license matches this template can be changed from as-is to HPND. (And please, _only_ OSD-compliant packages. We don't want the same mess again, as we have with as-is.) I'll also remove as-is from @GPL-CO