Re: [gentoo-dev] Problem with texlive-basic-2012 in portage

2012-07-30 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM, easior wrote: > Hi, all! > > I am a TeX user with TeX Live installed by Gentoo portage. Recently, I found > that the TeX Live version have been updated to 2012 and I want to refresh my > Gentoo system. Unfortunately, the package, texlive-basic-2012, couldn't be > p

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 01:33:48PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote > The technical objection to C.UTF-8 is that it's non-standard, Ok. > What are the technical objections to LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8? If the > alternatives are all improvements, the statistics are irrelevant. I ran into a problem sever

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/30/12 12:28, Michał Górny wrote: > > My point here is that you want the thing to change. So you first try to > convince people here to change. We practically did a small survey here > and in the result we didn't agree on doing the change. > > So you're saying we should do another survey on

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:50:29 -0400 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> On 07/30/12 10:41, Michał Górny wrote: >> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 >> > Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> > >> >> On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: >> >>> >> >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev <-> mdev

2012-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 01:38:28PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote > Forking udev and making sure it stays as lean as possible isn't that bad. That describes mdev to a T. No need to re-invent the wheel. > Making mdev a bit richer and enjoy the speed advantage of busybox > over stand alone shells co

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:50:29 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 07/30/12 10:41, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 > > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > >> On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > >>> > >>> No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a defaul

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/30/2012 11:04 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Michał Górny > wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 Michael Orlitzky >> wrote: >> >>> On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: No user will be happ

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > You'd really want to a "which do you prefer, which can you use" > survey, then; You don't really want to choose the result preferred by > the most people, rather you want the result which is usable by the > most people. I tend to agree. Do

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: >> > >> > No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. >> >> The defaults should be what's best for the most p

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/30/12 10:41, Michał Górny wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: >>> >>> No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. >> >> The defaults should be what's best for the most people, with a bia

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > > > > No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. > > The defaults should be what's best for the most people, with a bias > towards safety. Why don't we just take a s

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: >> >> No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. > > The defaults should be what's best for the most people, with a bias > towards safety. Why don't we just take a survey

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > > No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. The defaults should be what's best for the most people, with a bias towards safety. Why don't we just take a survey and choose the most common utf8 response?