Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

Brian Harring wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 05:14:16PM -0500, Dale wrote: Lars Wendler wrote: Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 14:45:21 schrieb Angelo Arrifano: On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: One notable sectio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:47:34 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote: > I'm against this idea - conflict resolution, I prefer the term > mediation, is not something that the typical Gentoo developer is very > good at. For sure, they have been involved in conflicts themselves > but rarely, if ever, as a mediato

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:29:13 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote: > > "Have you pointed this out to DevRel? What was their reaction?" > > > > does not seem to have this mis-hearing problem, at least not to me. > > > Hmm - thats interesting, I subconsciously read the two questions into > the one posted.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Petteri Räty posted on Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:52:15 +0200 as excerpted: > On 17.6.2010 17.10, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> Duncan, >> >> >> On 06/17/10 09:56, Duncan wrote: >>> DevRel is >>> understaffed. I've seen observations to the effect that most >>> developers aren't interested in getting inv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 05:14:16PM -0500, Dale wrote: > Lars Wendler wrote: > > Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 14:45:21 schrieb Angelo Arrifano: > > > >> On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote: > >> > >>> Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > One notable section is 7.6 in which Adobe rese

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 06/16/2010 08:33 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: 3) Let Gentoo developers vote on who's in the conflict resolution team just like we do with the council. AFAIK this never happened before and in my opinion choosing conflict resolutio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/17/10 16:37, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>> I don't know what gave you the idea that the list of the Developer >>> Relations project members is private. > > Also, Willinks reports the alias to be empty, unlike with other aliases: > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

Am Freitag 18 Juni 2010, 00:37:29 schrieb Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn: > Dale schrieb: > > One notable section is 7.6 in which Adobe reserves the right to > > download and install additional Content Protection software on the > > user's PC. > > Not like anyone will actually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 06/17/10 16:37, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> I don't know what gave you the idea that the list of the Developer >> Relations project members is private. Also, Willinks reports the alias to be empty, unlike with other aliases: [00:44] expn devrel [00:44] devrel = A question of rbu just ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

Dale schrieb: One notable section is 7.6 in which Adobe reserves the right to download and install additional Content Protection software on the user's PC. Not like anyone will actually *read* the license before adding it to their accept group, but if they did this would indeed be an important t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

Lars Wendler wrote: Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 14:45:21 schrieb Angelo Arrifano: On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: I propose that this license be added to the EULA group. The previous AdobeFlash-10 license is similar in this regard, an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 14:45:21 schrieb Angelo Arrifano: > On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote: > > Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > >> I propose that this license be added to the EULA group. The previous > >> AdobeFlash-10 license is similar in this regard, and could possibly > >> also

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 06/17/10 22:09, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Patrick, > > > On 06/17/10 18:21, Patrick Lauer wrote: >> Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially with >> germanic and slavic languages that are more terse than english. >> For example "Sit down!" is acceptable in all situat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Petteri, On 06/17/10 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: > We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural > background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a > word for please. Of course when writing English I try use please when > required by the other part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Patrick, On 06/17/10 18:21, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially with > germanic and slavic languages that are more terse than english. > For example "Sit down!" is acceptable in all situations in german, maybe acceptable, sure not polite or f

[gentoo-dev] [GSOC] Python, GSoC and distutils2

Greetings, I'm working on g-pypi2 project over this summer for Gentoo, and among other things, I learned a lot about how Gentoo handles Python package distributions. There are quite some students working on distutils2 implementations, so I thought Gentoo as source distribution has a lot to say how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

On 2010.06.16 23:33, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Roy, > > > On 06/16/10 21:40, Roy Bamford wrote: > > As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as > terse > > and to the point, completely lacking in tone. > > interesting. Looking at the sentence > > "When did you point thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 2010.06.17 01:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! > [snip] > > 3) Let Gentoo developers vote on who's in the conflict resolution > team just like we do with the council. > [snip] > > Thanks, > > > > Sebastian > I'm against this idea - conflict resolution, I prefer the term media

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 2010.06.17 01:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! [snip] > > Problem: Both betelgeuse and jmbsvicetto are DevRel members >nominated for the upcoming council election. >As I am also nominated proposing such rule could be >understood aiming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:04:42 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > In that case, could you then consider to un-CC from keywording bugs > hppa team is not willing to fix? I think it would help a lot to > "clean" the tree of old versions that are been kept as it's the inly > keyworded on hppa Sounds like a p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:20:34 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/17/10 05:24, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > Well, apart from explaining technical stuff[1] as in the example > > above, we could obviously explain how our developers work, how much > > most of them get payed for doing that, inform use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010/6/8 José María > On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 06:25:17PM +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:14:07 +0200 > > José María Alonso wrote: > > > > > I would be very pleased to maintain this package: > > > > > > > app-doc/repodoc > > > > > Is there any chance I can maintain this pac

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 17.6.2010 18.20, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 17 June 2010 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: >> We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural >> background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a >> word for please. > > I'm sorry, but that is simply not tru

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Let me cut out one or two pieces I consider very important: > We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural > background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a > word for please. Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 17 June 2010 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: > We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural > background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a > word for please. I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. Unless Finnish is not your native language. On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 17.6.2010 17.10, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Duncan, > > > On 06/17/10 09:56, Duncan wrote: >> DevRel is >> understaffed. I've seen observations to the effect that most developers >> aren't interested in getting involved in that area, particularly in >> reference to the conflict resolution

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

I'd like to nominate Thomas "tanderson" Anderson. --- Wulf C. Krüger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 17.6.2010 17.00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Petteri, > > > On 06/17/10 09:52, Petteri Räty wrote: >> Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. > > that's what I am referring to with "tone in Gentoo". > I want the other 80% of you on the council. > We communicate in English

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

On 6/17/10 2:38 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > I would like to nominate phajdan.jr (Pawel Hajdan, Jr.). Thanks! I accept. :) You can see my manifesto at . Paweł signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Duncan, On 06/17/10 09:56, Duncan wrote: > DevRel is > understaffed. I've seen observations to the effect that most developers > aren't interested in getting involved in that area, particularly in > reference to the conflict resolution subgroup when I offered to join DevRel last time in repl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Petteri, On 06/17/10 09:52, Petteri Räty wrote: > Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. that's what I am referring to with "tone in Gentoo". I want the other 80% of you on the council. In my opinion the DevRel topic is too important to hide it on a mailing list with a fract

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> 1) Make the list of subscribers to the devrel alias public > > I don't know what gave you the idea that the list of the Developer > Relations project members is private. > You can check the alias members directly by running "grep de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

Ciaran, the mindset I hear in your mail sounds a lot more like (my understanding of) Exherbo than Gentoo. I would appreciate if you stayed on topic which is improving tone in Gentoo. Thanks. Best, Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

Hello! I would like to nominate phajdan.jr (Pawel Hajdan, Jr.). Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 06/17/10 05:24, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > Well, apart from explaining technical stuff[1] as in the example above, > we could obviously explain how our developers work, how much most of > them get payed for doing that, inform users of our services what they > can and cannot expect to get. It sound

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

El jue, 17-06-2010 a las 01:26 +0400, Peter Volkov escribió: > В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 17:21 -0400, Mike Frysinger пишет: > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Peter Volkov wrote: > > > В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 13:41 +0200, Pacho Ramos пишет: > > >> Trying to move the following bug to upstream: > > >> http:/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

El jue, 17-06-2010 a las 06:07 +0200, Jeroen Roovers escribió: > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:01 -0400 > Joseph Jezak wrote: > > > Your preferred method is exactly how (as a ppc keyworder) I like to > > see these kind of bugs handled. Dropping keywords makes an awful lot > > more work for us and hur

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

> > > 4) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group >and the council at the same time (as the council is where issues >with devrel are taken to). > > Excellent point. Furthermore, in every Democratic foundation in this planet the authority entity is completely detached to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 17-06-2010 12:17, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:08:05 +0200 > Angelo Arrifano wrote: I had some text written here. Why did you just remove it like this? Next time, please write some kind of marker "(...)" to tell you did crop some text. >> That choice can be to join the Gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 17-06-2010 12:08, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:58:21 +0200 > Auke Booij wrote: >> Wouldn't you agree that unless you're a genius who can understand the >> entire system upfront with just the bit of documentation out there, >> the support given, in this case by the community,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:08:05 +0200 Angelo Arrifano wrote: > That choice can be to join the Gentoo community, or leave it. The choice can be to use Gentoo, or not use Gentoo. If using Gentoo means being required to use bugzilla, the mailing lists, forums and IRC, then Gentoo has huge scalability

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 17-06-2010 12:08, Angelo Arrifano wrote: > On 17-06-2010 11:51, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:32:51 +0200 >> Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>> I wouldn't feel to bad if Gentoo is widely recognized as the >>> distribution with the most friendly community around in 2011. >> >> Would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 17-06-2010 11:51, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:32:51 +0200 > Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> I wouldn't feel to bad if Gentoo is widely recognized as the >> distribution with the most friendly community around in 2011. > > Wouldn't you rather it be recognised as the distribution

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:58:21 +0200 Auke Booij wrote: > Wouldn't you agree that unless you're a genius who can understand the > entire system upfront with just the bit of documentation out there, > the support given, in this case by the community, is part of the > product? No. The community is wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:32:51 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: I wouldn't feel to bad if Gentoo is widely recognized as the distribution with the most friendly community around in 2011. Wouldn't you rather it be recognised as the distribution with the best product

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:32:51 +0200 > Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> I wouldn't feel to bad if Gentoo is widely recognized as the >> distribution with the most friendly community around in 2011. > > Wouldn't you rather it be recognised as the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:32:51 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > I wouldn't feel to bad if Gentoo is widely recognized as the > distribution with the most friendly community around in 2011. Wouldn't you rather it be recognised as the distribution with the best product? -- Ciaran McCreesh signatu

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

Hi, Alex Legler : > On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 02:00:02 +0200, Torsten Veller > wrote: > > > Hello fellow developers and users. > > > > Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2010/2011 are now open for the > > next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2010). > > > > Chainsaw, Fauli and sping please. Than

[gentoo-dev] Re: Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Mike Frysinger posted on Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:41:21 -0400 as excerpted: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>  4) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group >>    and the council at the same time (as the council is where issues >>    with devrel are taken t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 17.6.2010 2.00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > I would like to propose these fundamental changes to DevRel: > Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. I also find it weird that you didn't consult the devrel alias before starting this thread but I have no objections to having d