Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Andrew Gaffney wrote: > On 05/24/2009 05:32 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: >> [snip] >> >> Random reply to thread >>> William Hubbs >>> gentoo accessibility team lead >>> willi...@gentoo.org >>> >> >> Put al

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread lxnay
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Tiziano Müller wrote: Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 20:04 +0200 schrieb lx...@sabayonlinux.org: And then it's a pm thing. So the person you want to talk about it is zmedico. And zmedico told me to start discussing here. -- Tiziano Müller Gentoo Linux Develo

[gentoo-dev] Has anyone tried to use Linux Unified Kernel ?

2009-05-24 Thread Branko Badrljica
These gyus ( http://linux.insigma.com.cn/en/index.php ) are working on support for running Windows binaries in Linux kernel. It works by supporting Win syscalls directly in kernel or ( for unsupported ones ) by redirecting them to patched Wine server. Authors say that end effect is much less spee

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2009-05-24 23h59 UTC

2009-05-24 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2009-05-24 23h59 UTC. Removals: sys-fs/lvm-user 2009-05-19 03:06:39 cardoe profiles/default-linux/ppc 2009-05-20 17:22:03 ranger media-plugins/eq-a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 24 May 2009 23:22:21 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2009 23:16:13 +0200 > > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > Okay, yes, Mr. Long was quite rude there (trying to fight fire with > > fire I guess). But in this case you're discussing rather subjective > > things again (how often is it the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Speech on the Gentoo Linux LiveCD

2009-05-24 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 02:13:43PM -0700, Keith Hinton wrote: > Hello, > I would strongly recommend adding Speakup access into the Gentoo > installation media, probably with software speech, as hardware speech > is becoming quite outdated. > Feel free

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 May 2009 23:16:13 +0200 Patrick Lauer wrote: > Okay, yes, Mr. Long was quite rude there (trying to fight fire with > fire I guess). But in this case you're discussing rather subjective > things again (how often is it the case that you don't have a cache?) > that might not even be a prob

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-05-17 18:20:21 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis napisał(a): > I would like to suggest to include possibility of using of features of > bash-4.0 (and older versions) in local scope of EAPI="3" ebuilds. > > I know that it's slightly late, but this change is very easy to implement > (adjustin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 24 May 2009 22:43:52 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Here, this sums up what's wrong with most of your cockamamy ideas (as > > attractive, and oh so right, as they may seem to you now): > > > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s07.html > > > > To paraphrase you: Go and read it

[gentoo-dev] Speech on the Gentoo Linux LiveCD

2009-05-24 Thread Keith Hinton
Hello, I would strongly recommend adding Speakup access into the Gentoo installation media, probably with software speech, as hardware speech is becoming quite outdated. Feel free to email me if you folks want offf-list to discuss some of this. Regards, --Keith

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:34 +0100 Steven J Long wrote: > > The format restriction hasn't been agreed upon, > > By you. (oh, and your gang.) You're right though, it hasn't been > spammed to the list on more occasions than anyone cares to remember, > nor has it been pushed up to the Council to vote

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-24 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 24 May 2009 21:40:57 Steven J Long wrote: > Hmm way to go putting thoughts in my head that aren't there. Yes, that sums you up quite nicely.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-24 Thread Steven J Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 15 May 2009 21:06:13 +0100 > Steven J Long wrote: >> > Before an ebuild has had its metadata generated, its EAPI is >> > unknown. At this point, the package manager assumes EAPI 0. >> > >> With the format restriction, that everyone last year seemed happy >> with, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 May 2009 21:31:56 +0100 Steven J Long wrote: > > ...but that's not what happens. Instead, the users get their screen > > spammed with annoying messages, > > Er I think you're confusing paludis and portage. Er. No. As you would know had you read GLEP 55, Portage is noisy if you use bash

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-24 Thread Steven J Long
David Leverton wrote: > On Friday 15 May 2009 21:06:13 Steven J Long wrote: >> In practical terms, this is a useless proposal. It rightly got trashed >> last year. > > No, it did not get "trashed", despite some people's attempts to make their > side sound more popular than it really is. Yes ther

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-24 Thread Steven J Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 21 May 2009 19:57:49 +0200 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >> > We always have to assume that there might not be an up to date >> > cache. The Gentoo rsync mirrors do not always ship up to date cache, >> > particularly if someone's just changed a wide

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 20:04 +0200 schrieb lx...@sabayonlinux.org: > > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: > > On Sun, 24 May 2009 19:04:08 +0200 (CEST) > > lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote: > >> app-admin/equo (sabayon overlay -- Entropy Framework client) supports > >> th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread lxnay
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2009 19:04:08 +0200 (CEST) lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote: app-admin/equo (sabayon overlay -- Entropy Framework client) supports the postfix "@repository" to let users force the installation of a package from a specific rep

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread Ben de Groot
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: >> On Sun, 24 May 2009 22:50:45 +0530 >> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> Won't this just lead to dependency hell? With horrible dependencies >>> between different overlays? >> It's primarily a user feature. It's not

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Andrew Gaffney
On 05/24/2009 05:32 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: [snip] Random reply to thread William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up c

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2009 22:50:45 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> Won't this just lead to dependency hell? With horrible dependencies >> between different overlays? > > It's primarily a user feature. It's not a good way of solving most > in

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 May 2009 22:50:45 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > Won't this just lead to dependency hell? With horrible dependencies > between different overlays? It's primarily a user feature. It's not a good way of solving most inter-repository dependency issues. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.as

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:34 PM, wrote: > Adding "@overlay" atoms/deps postfix support could really make life > easier, especially because forcing specific atoms in *DEPEND hoping > that these will be always pulled in from the same overlay is not > something reliable, as you already know. > > Ex

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 May 2009 19:04:08 +0200 (CEST) lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote: > app-admin/equo (sabayon overlay -- Entropy Framework client) supports > the postfix "@repository" to let users force the installation of a > package from a specific repository. @ is used by Portage for sets. Paludis has been

[gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread lxnay
Hi there, app-admin/equo (sabayon overlay -- Entropy Framework client) supports the postfix "@repository" to let users force the installation of a package from a specific repository. Users of multiple repositories seem to appreciate the freedom that is brought with this small-but-effective(TM) fea

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Roy Bamford wrote: > Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up > context. You need the minimal CD, the stage 3, the portage snapshot, a > bootloader and a kernel. > > An extra 20Mb in that total size is trivial. > > Having done a few remote installs for blind users droppin

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Dale
Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: > [snip] > > Random reply to thread > > William Hubbs > > gentoo accessibility team lead > > willi...@gentoo.org > > > Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up > context. You need the minimal CD, the stage 3, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: [snip] Random reply to thread > William Hubbs > gentoo accessibility team lead > willi...@gentoo.org > Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up context. You need the minimal CD, the s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-24 Thread Roy Marples
# Assign static IP addresses and run custom scripts per interface. # Seperate commands with ; # Prefix with ! to run a shell script. # Use \$int to represent the interface #ifconfig_eth0="192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0" # You also have ifup_eth0 and ifdown_eth0 to run other commands when # et

Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-24 Thread Roy Marples
Mike Auty wrote: > Roy Marples wrote: >> Attached is the new conf.d/net sample. > > Sorry, I missed those. Did lists.g.o remove them, or were they not > attached? > >> As such, a side project I've started is a new ifconfig tool >> [1] to handle everything from vlans, to bridging, to bonding, to